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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 17 19:24:47 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 17 18:43:08 2016. "DOT gave daily numbers of about 30,000 vehicles passing selected intersections. If be assumes that the percentage of vehicles passing 157th Avenue and also Eliot Avenue as small, that is a total of 100,000 vehicles."Why would we assume that the amount is small? If we assume it is large, that is 30,000 cars. "If we assume only 1.2 people per car (sone use 1.6 as the average) that is already at least 120,000 people in cars and trucks." Only if we assume that all the cars are traveling a short distance. So we are basing this count on an almost certainly false premise. " Subtract the 5,000 or so daily bus riders in casino, charter and school buses, and you reduce the numbers of bus riders to 20,000." Why should we subtract 5000 daily bus riders in casino/charter/school buses? A. They aren't counted in the 30,000 as it is. B. They would be helped by the bus lanes too. C. 30,000 - 5,000 is 25,000 Not 20,000 So lets add these bus riders to the total, not subtract! "That leaves 6 times as many in cars, trucks and motorcycles as in MTA buses." Yes. But only if you artificially inflate car riders by a great deal and artificially deflate bus riders by a great deal. If you make the just as dubious assumption that each car stays the whole length, and add the 5000 people in charter buses to the bus count, WOW, BUS RIDERSHIP IS ROUGHLY THE SAME AS CAR RIDERSHIP!!! WOW!!! "Those in cars are likely to spend more time on Woodhaven than those in buses since the average city local bus trip is only 2.3 miles. On Woodhaven I would estimate the average to be slightly longer like 2.7 miles due to the heavy use of the Queens Blvd line." One could think that. Only if they completely ignore the structure of the Woodhaven bus services. Substantial amount of Express bus riders, and the busiest route is BY FAR the limited, which has long periods between stops. Your average is laughable on its face. "You are right. People don't have to switch modes for congestion to be reduced. They just won't visit grandma as often or they may decide this is the straw that break the camel's back and finally move to Jersey or the Island or perhaps even Florida which they had been thinking about anyway. All of that hurts the economy and is a step in the wrong direction for our city." They probably won't leave anyway, but even if they did, considering the influx of new residents, they would not be missed by the economy. "No, even if you are not speeding, your top speed of 30 mph will now be 15 mph." Completely unsupported by any evidence or reality "You can check NY 1 for the recent Alderton article." Does not seem connected to Woodhaven SBS... "When I used Woodhaven daily ten years ago during rush hours, traffic was only bad or intolerable about twice a week. I am sure it is worse today after the nbsense changes made as a result of the Congested Corridors Study which eliminated many bypass routes on days when traffic was intolerable. So now it may be bad, three or four days a week." 10 years ago is not particularly relevant. "With these changes elminating left turns, you will just be stopped in traffic and trapped if you are not near an exit lane and it will be bad or intolerable most of the time." Eliminating left turns REDUCES traffic. The Woodhaven plan is intended to REDUCE traffic. These issues should happen LESS often. "Af far as no one traveling a mile out of their way to make a left turn, try going to Stop and Shop from Woodhaven north of Metropolitan. What used to be a simple left turn from Woodhaven south onto Union Turnpike will now require you to use the service road to the Montauk line, make a u-turn, double back to Metropolitan, name a right turn to 71 Avenue, go south to Union Turnpike and west to Stop and Shop. That is a mile extra and is only one example. And with all the cars that will be using that service road due to no left turns to Metropolitan and Union Turnpike now all on the service road, and the lengthy red signal at 73rd Avenue, it will also be a long and slow trip. " Or, Left onto Trotting Course, Left onto Metropolitan, Right on Continental, Right on Union Turnpike. 0.1-0.2 MILES LONGER!!! ITS AMAZING. Yes, you COULD go a mile out of your way. You could also go 22 miles out of your way if you went through Manhattan! BUT, the amazing thing is, you don't have to. |
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