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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 24 12:05:38 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 24 11:47:41 2016. "Okay so how many passengers did you assume per car. I know your response. You didn't make any assumptions because you do not know the proper number. That is a cop out. You insist I am incorrect while failing to provide an alternative."Yes. I don't like to make unsubstantiated assumptions. That said, DOT's counts put the overall number at roughly 2 car occupants per every bus rider, so your assumptions end up being wrong somewhere, probably each of them. "I didn't say someone riding a short distance would be unaffected by bus lanes. I said the significance would be so small as not to make a meaningful difference. Saving two minutes is insignificant when you consider that just missing a bus can cost you ten minutes." You claim such would be small. I see no basis behind that. "If DOT were correct that removing a lane of traffic makes it move faster, drivers in Rego Park would not be complaining of commutes that are now 20 to 45 minutes longer." Drivers always complain. Usually without any basis behind it. "They would not be switching more to the slow Alderton Street which has become faster than Woodhaven and they wouldn't be traveling out of their way to use the Van Wyck which will not be considered when DOT releases its traffic counts if it ever does." A. it has? Google traffic right now shows Alderton as 3 minutes longer. B. DOT obviously considers people rerouting. Gee, another unsubstantiated assumption. "Of course you will just dismiss those complaints as undocumented." YES! BECAUSE IT IS!!! "Slowing the speed is a stated goal" "But lowering the speed limit also slows down buses from 35 mph top speed to 30 top speed, or 25 top speed when DOT again lowers the speed limit to match Queens Blvd. End result -- After all the speed limit reductions and money spent, buses will travel slower in the non rush hours which will balance out the minutes they will save during the peak hours." Yes, but so what? The speeds would be reduced even further should the modifications NOT be made. "So when you consider everything together, buses will move no faster when all is said and done after is project is completed than before it started. So not only will cars travel slower." You still don't get variables. Reduction of speed overall is happening regardless of what is being done with SBS. They are not connected. "BUSES WON'T BE SAVING ANY MINUTES ON THE WHOLE EITHER AS A RESULT OF THE EXCLUSIVE LANES." No. "The only time savings will occur from paying before you board assuming that doesn't cause you ten extra minutes by missing a bus to get your receipt if the machine is even working." No. Time savings occur from A. The reduction of traffic. B. The reduction of the effects of traffic. C. Fare prepayment. D. Reduction of delays related to stopping(besides fare prepayment). Not just C. |
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