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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 24 23:55:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 24 23:34:36 2016. "LEARN HOW TO READ AND WRITE PLEASE. At least copy down the numbers correctly. It isn't 1915 and 3342. It's 1571 and 3342."LOL. POT. KETTLE. (bad analogy, because back then I think Kettles were black. Pot calling the pillow black would be more like it. I have white pillows in case you still don't get it.) 1571 MTA bus riders. 1915 TOTAL BUS RIDERS. "But look at what else it says. IT SAYS NORTHBOUND RUSH HOUR. I was talking about a 24 hour period, not just a 2 hour period in the peak direction when bus usage is at its heaviest. Yes in the peak direction at this one intersection, car riders outnumber bus passengers by only 2 to 1. What about in the off-peak direction? What about at all the other intersections? What about during the off peak when the buses carry only 15 or 20 passengers and not 60 passengers? " That is the only intersection we have to use for this. Furthermore, PEAK times are when the capacity is most strained, so it is by far the most applicable time to count. "After you factor that all in the ratio is no longer 2 to 1. It is more like 5 to 1. As explained in another post, 2 to 1 ON A DAILY BASIS IS A PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. It would mean that all cars carry only the driver and every car operates the entire length of Woodhaven and Cross Bay without any cars turning on or off the road." Lets not make up numbers when we have perfectly good numbers to use. Do you have any reason to expect that other locations are different? If so, what? "If that is the case, kindly explain how the M15 which has SBS could be ranked as the LEAST RELIABLE ROUTE in all of Manhattan." Three words. SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY. "NO IT'S TRUE. Then show me the citation in the M15 first year report that talks about traffic on streets other than First and Second Avenue. YOU WON"T FIND IT. Pages 20 and 21 show traffic on First and Second Avenue. That's it. No data for Third Avenue, York Avenue, or any other roadway." Just because something doesnt show up in a FIRST AND SECOND AVENUE related report does not mean counts were not taken. They were. "Numbers of lanes is directly related to road capacity and road capacity determines the speed at which cars will travel given a certain volume. And speed is directly related to trip times. What part of that do you not understand? That is not to say that other factors such as signal timing are not involved." Volume is far from a constant. The loss of a lane will not necessarily result in a reduction of speed. It could easily result in an increase of overall speed when it results in the elimination of a merge. "Why should an arterial be faster than a slow residential street you ask? BECAUSE IT IS AN ARTERIAL. That's why. Slow residential streets are meant for short distance travel so the speed you travel is unimportant as it relates to your total trip time. Arterials are meant for long distance travel and are designed to be faster. Vision Zero has effectively reduced arterials to local streets which is the problem I and many others have with it. Many areas of the city do not have expressways which make faster road arterials a necessity." Woodhaven is not an expressway. Vision Zero is making changes which reflect this reality. "More unsubstantiated claims. as it relates to DOT not providing statistics for parallel roadways. IT IS QUITE SUBSTANTIATED. THEY DID NOT PROVIDE STATISTICS FOR THIRD AND YORK AVENUE IN MANHATTAN. ONLY FOR FIRST AND SECOND AVENUE ON PAGES 21 AND 22 OF THEIR REPORT." I never said they provided the statistics. I said they created them. BIG difference. "With traffic speeds being reduced REGARDLESS of SBS, Bus speeds would be reduced more than if they had their own lanes. That is not even English. I never should have asked for an explanation. You are making no sense at all. Being part of the same project MEANS THEY ARE CONNECTED. That's like saying just because both men and women are both part of the human race, they have no connection with each other. That would be utterly ridiculous. But what the hell, everything else you are saying is just as ridiculous." Project A is happening citywide. Project B is happening on at location C. Project B is being designed with Project A in mind. If Project B never happens, that does not mean Project A will not either. A= Speed reductions from vision zero. B= SBS C= Woodhaven. That you do not understand this is what is ridiculous. "Here is another one: I think the real reason for having off peak bus lanes is reliability, not speed. How do you improve reliability without affecting speed? YOU CAN'T." Who says you won't affect the speed? "And if bus speeds will not change in the off-peak with exclusive lanes, the only possible reason to have them is to slow down other vehicles by reducing road capacity." No, it is not the only reason. "But DOT is saying reducing road capacity will make cars travel faster. That makes as much sense as saying if you feed starving children less, they will be less hungry. JUST UTTERLY RIDICULOUS AND UNBELIEVABLE. " It is entirely believable if you actually read the plan and see what it does. You just don't seem to be able to do that |
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