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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 24 23:34:36 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 24 16:02:17 2016. "Show me where DOT says there are two car occupants to every bus rider. Citation please or your claim IS UNFOUNDED."http://www.nyc.gov/html/brt/downloads/pdf/brt-woodhaven-faq.pdf 1915 bus riders across Myrtle. 3342 Other vehicle occupants. You're welcome. LEARN HOW TO READ AND WRITE PLEASE. At least copy down the numbers correctly. It isn't 1915 and 3342. It's 1571 and 3342. But look at what else it says. IT SAYS NORTHBOUND RUSH HOUR. I was talking about a 24 hour period, not just a 2 hour period in the peak direction when bus usage is at its heaviest. Yes in the peak direction at this one intersection, car riders outnumber bus passengers by only 2 to 1. What about in the off-peak direction? What about at all the other intersections? What about during the off peak when the buses carry only 15 or 20 passengers and not 60 passengers? After you factor that all in the ratio is no longer 2 to 1. It is more like 5 to 1. As explained in another post, 2 to 1 ON A DAILY BASIS IS A PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. It would mean that all cars carry only the driver and every car operates the entire length of Woodhaven and Cross Bay without any cars turning on or off the road. reliability is hard to argue against with regards to SBS. It is sky high compared to the other routes. If that is the case, kindly explain how the M15 which has SBS could be ranked as the LEAST RELIABLE ROUTE in all of Manhattan. Just blatantly false. NO IT'S TRUE. Then show me the citation in the M15 first year report that talks about traffic on streets other than First and Second Avenue. YOU WON"T FIND IT. Pages 20 and 21 show traffic on First and Second Avenue. That's it. No data for Third Avenue, York Avenue, or any other roadway. Number of lanes is not directly related to trip times. Numbers of lanes is directly related to road capacity and road capacity determines the speed at which cars will travel given a certain volume. And speed is directly related to trip times. What part of that do you not understand? That is not to say that other factors such as signal timing are not involved. Why should an arterial be faster than a slow residential street you ask? BECAUSE IT IS AN ARTERIAL. That's why. Slow residential streets are meant for short distance travel so the speed you travel is unimportant as it relates to your total trip time. Arterials are meant for long distance travel and are designed to be faster. Vision Zero has effectively reduced arterials to local streets which is the problem I and many others have with it. Many areas of the city do not have expressways which make faster road arterials a necessity. More unsubstantiated claims. as it relates to DOT not providing statistics for parallel roadways. IT IS QUITE SUBSTANTIATED. THEY DID NOT PROVIDE STATISTICS FOR THIRD AND YORK AVENUE IN MANHATTAN. ONLY FOR FIRST AND SECOND AVENUE ON PAGES 21 AND 22 OF THEIR REPORT. With traffic speeds being reduced REGARDLESS of SBS, Bus speeds would be reduced more than if they had their own lanes. That is not even English. I never should have asked for an explanation. You are making no sense at all. Being part of the same project MEANS THEY ARE CONNECTED. That's like saying just because both men and women are both part of the human race, they have no connection with each other. That would be utterly ridiculous. But what the hell, everything else you are saying is just as ridiculous. Here is another one: I think the real reason for having off peak bus lanes is reliability, not speed. How do you improve reliability without affecting speed? YOU CAN'T. And if bus speeds will not change in the off-peak with exclusive lanes, the only possible reason to have them is to slow down other vehicles by reducing road capacity. But DOT is saying reducing road capacity will make cars travel faster. That makes as much sense as saying if you feed starving children less, they will be less hungry. JUST UTTERLY RIDICULOUS AND UNBELIEVABLE. |
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