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Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven

Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 15 15:55:47 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Mar 15 15:50:30 2016.

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"Well I certainly know you are neither a transportation planner or an engineer."
No you don't

"It is not my job to show how this plan hurts more than it helps or helps more than it hurts."
It is if you are making the absurd claim that it hurts more than it helps.

"THAT IS THE JOB OF THE MTA and DOT."
No. Their job is to provide the best service they can, not simply say how to.

"And they have woefully failed in showing how this plan helps more than it hurts."
You keep saying that. Does not make it true.

"They clam to be using traffic forecasting models but have refused to tell us what those models show."
No, they have told us what they show. Reduced traffic.

"That is because either the models are not statistically valid or they actually show more are hurt than helped. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON FOR KEEPING THE RESULTS SECRET."
Only in your head.

"The meaning of that paragraph is as follows. I was stating that capacity isn't the only consideration. If it were, we could ban all turns and greatly improve capacity but that wouldn't serve anyone well because people do need to turn."
Nobody is saying capacity is the only consideration.

"And going from 12 lanes to 8 is slightly less tha a 33 % reduction in capacity when you consider turning movements and also consider increases in green time for through traffic."
Yes, if they were going from 12 to 8, but they aren't.

"But you also must consider increased travel times and distances for those having to bake their turns elsewhere."
Yes, but those distances aren't very long.

"That is why I stated capacity is not the only consideration."
Nobody ever said it was the only consideration.



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