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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:09:22 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 20:53:44 2009. (Earnie stewart is bi-racial)So was Cobi Jones. And now so are Onyewu and Tim Howard. IMO that tends to support his position. The US has lots of black starters despite hardly any black Americans having any interest in soccer. If soccer were the most popular sport among blacks, or even second or third, US soccer might look different. And so would it if more athletic whites played were interested. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 30 21:09:42 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 20:59:22 2009. You noticed that, eh? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 21:11:47 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:09:22 2009. I didn't know Oguchi was bi-racial. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:14:08 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 21:11:47 2009. Well that's what I had read. Let me see.... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 21:20:11 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 30 21:09:42 2009. They did have Patrick Owomoyela but he was never a regular starter.
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:24:46 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 21:20:11 2009. IINM I remember them having a black player in the last world cup. And he was a nationalized citizen from Africa and was very dark skinned. Don't follow them much but I remember him getting in the games as a reserve. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:26:06 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:14:08 2009. Can't find any pictures of his parents, but he always looked mixed race to me. Maybe he's not. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 21:26:56 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 20:59:22 2009. Indeed, Germany is one of the dominant soccer powers and has zero black players.Italy won the 2006 World Cup with no black players. In the final they defeated France, which had a number of black players, perhaps even a majority. As I noted earlier, there are some sports where race has an effect on performance, such as football, basketball, and (the most extreme example) marathon running. But soccer isn't among them. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:32:46 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 21:26:56 2009. Soccer requires a combination of bursts of speed along with extreme endurance so perhaps it balances out. But again continental European whites and South American whites are plenty fast. It's really American and British whites that lag, if anything. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat May 30 21:35:39 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 19:23:15 2009. Asian I.Q. scores are no more that two or three points higher than the American average of 100, not nearly enough to account for Asian dominance in, for example, biochemistry.With fields like biochemistry, the mean IQ is pretty meaningless (actually, mean IQ's are almost always pretty meaningless). What matters is the frequency of very high IQ's in the population. (Statistically speaking, you have to consider both the mean and the variance). |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 21:38:56 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:24:46 2009. IINM I remember them having a black player in the last world cup. And he was a nationalized citizen from Africa and was very dark skinned. Don't follow them much but I remember him getting in the games as a reserve.oh yeah. Gerald Asamoah. He was actually the first black to wear the German national team uniform.  |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 21:40:38 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:26:06 2009. I checked Wiki and it said that both of his parents moved from Nigeria to study at Howard University. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat May 30 21:40:45 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 19:38:16 2009. Honestly I don't see the same level of athleticism from white Americans that I see in continental European players. I don't know if it's genetic or cultural.It's cultural. I'd explain more, but I've got to get back to my Xbox. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 21:44:56 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Charles G on Sat May 30 21:40:45 2009. I don't think that it can be genetic because white English, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, French, etc players are plenty fast and athletic. It's gotta be the burgers. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:47:06 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 21:40:38 2009. I saw that, but most other sources only mention his father doing that. They might have it correct, but those types of things can get confused in wikipedia. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat May 30 21:47:07 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:32:46 2009. But again continental European whites and South American whites are plenty fast. It's really American and British whites that lag, if anything.It's really only American whites. It's a cultural thing, driven by racially influenced thinking among coaches of childrens and scholastic sports. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:51:06 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Charles G on Sat May 30 21:47:07 2009. It's really only American whites.That's not close to what I see. When I watch English soccer they are obviously less athletic than their continental and even American counterparts IMO. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat May 30 21:57:34 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 21:51:06 2009. I guess my biases/influences come more from track and field than from soccer. The Brits have always had plenty of white sprinters. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 30 22:01:26 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Charles G on Sat May 30 21:57:34 2009. Who was the last one? It seems rare to see more than one white sprinter in the 100 or 200 finals of any top competition.When I think of England and track I think of middle distance runners. They had some great milers in the 80's and 90's. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 30 22:08:43 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 20:53:44 2009. The rate of black participation in US soccer exceeds their % of the populationSame for basketball. So what's your point?f |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sat May 30 22:42:48 2009, in response to What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 14:54:11 2009. She looks like a Latina to me and she's therefore most likely a hottie. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 30 23:05:10 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Mitch45 on Sat May 30 22:42:48 2009. "Most likely"? I suppose it's subjective. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 30 23:05:20 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Sat May 30 20:32:12 2009. Only those from Lazio. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 30 23:11:05 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sat May 30 18:27:54 2009. If someone mentions that Mexicans all look MexicanThat's quite the tautology you got there. All Mexicans DO look Mexican by definition! |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 23:12:26 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Charles G on Sat May 30 21:35:39 2009. With fields like biochemistry, the mean IQ is pretty meaningless (actually, mean IQ's are almost always pretty meaningless). What matters is the frequency of very high IQ's in the population. (Statistically speaking, you have to consider both the mean and the variance).Correct. The point is, if the mean I.Q. of Asians is 103 or 104 compared to all Americans, the only way to account for such Asian overrepresentation in scientific and technical fields - assuming it's I.Q. that makes the difference - is if the variance for Asians is much higher and therefore there is a disproportionate number of them at the right tail of the I.Q. distribution. I don't believe there's any evidence of that at all. What's more likely is that there are factors other than raw I.Q. power that account for all the Asian scientists and engineers. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Charles G on Sat May 30 23:12:38 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 22:01:26 2009. I stopped watching much track after it became Steroid Central in the late 90's.Roger Black and David Grindley pop immediately to mind from the early 90's. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat May 30 23:24:44 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 15:14:51 2009. Aside from the fact that it's silly to lump people from such diverse backgrounds into a single race, it makes little sense to include people of full European background like your Spanish coworkers or Patty Barreiro in the nonwhite category at all, just on account of the language they speak.Discrimination and sterotyping need neither a racial nor a language basis. No Irish need apply. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 31 00:05:34 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 30 17:06:36 2009. Does it puzzle you that Hispanics isolate themselves with their own media like Univision and Telemundo?Not to a first or second generation american. The usual scenario is that a couple marries in a foreign country and immigrates. They continue to speak their native language among themselves. The US does not offer immigrants a free class in learning english nor the money to live on while taking it. They will move in with relatives or friends who share both their language and culture. Their children, the first generation Americans, are bilingual and bicultural. Their first exposure to English may be in the schools. Fortunately, children pick up language a lot faster than adults. This leads to their acting as an intermediary for their parents when English has to be spoken. When they grow up and marry, English is the language they use in the home. Their children, the second generation Americans, are primarily English speaking. They are exposed to their grandparents' language. Unless they live any significant amount of time with them their fluency in that language is next to nil. They are still exposed to the culture. Succeeding generations have lost all contact with both the foreign language an the culture. There are exceptions. One that comes to mind is the writer Joseph Conrad. He did not speak English until he was in his twenties. It's all about using ethnicity as a weapon. There is always a longing for one's identity, even for Americans. Is it an ethnicity weapon that drives Americans to read the International Herald Tribune in Paris? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 31 01:45:43 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 30 23:05:20 2009. Only those from Lazio. True. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun May 31 05:20:53 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 31 00:05:34 2009. Look at the ratings on Univision. They sometimes win the 18-34 demo in top U.S. cities, which shows that there's an attitude among younger latinos to isolate themselves from the English speaking mainstream. Add up Telemundo, Telefutura, Galavision, Fox Sports, and all the other nets, and you have more people watching Spanish television in LA or NYC than Guadalajara or Monterrey, Mexico. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 31 06:44:20 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Sun May 31 05:20:53 2009. Look at the ratings on Univision. They sometimes win the 18-34 demo in top U.S. cities, which shows that there's an attitude among younger latinos to isolate themselves from the English speaking mainstream.Just because a second generation American's grandparents are in their 60's or 70's does not mean they always were. My grandparents were in the 18-34 demographic when they immigrated. I would have expected similar patterns back then, had radio or television been around. Instead, there were more foreign language dailies published in NYC than English language ones. Add up Telemundo, Telefutura, Galavision, Fox Sports, and all the other nets, and you have more people watching Spanish television in LA or NYC than Guadalajara or Monterrey, Mexico. At one time there were more Jews living in NYC than in all of Israel. Even more astounding is the percentage of Irish who emigrated during the potato famine. There were probably more Irish living in Boston than in Dublin. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 31 08:47:13 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 30 23:05:10 2009. Its got nothing to do with looks, my friend. Its the passion and the fire. Believe me, I know. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun May 31 08:56:10 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 31 08:47:13 2009. Finally, up steps an OTChatter who knows something about women. I concur.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun May 31 10:26:01 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 19:32:39 2009. "...blacks of West African descent, who account for most blacks in the Western Hemisphere, have proportionately more fast-twitch muscle fibers than people from other areas."That's a truly assinine statement. It's on the same level as the "Nation of Islam"'s jerkwad concept of "Yakub" the mad scientist creating white folk. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun May 31 10:38:48 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by ntrainride on Sun May 31 10:26:01 2009. blacks of West African descent, who account for most blacks in the Western Hemisphere, have proportionately more fast-twitch muscle fibers than people from other areas.That's a truly assinine statement. It's on the same level as the "Nation of Islam"'s jerkwad concept of "Yakub" the mad scientist creating white folk. There's ample scientific evidence supporting the assertion. The book Taboo by John Entine has a comprehensive discussion of the evidence. It's somewhat odd how so many people take offense at the merest hint that there may be some physical differences between the races that account for differences in athletic performance. We acknowledge that races differ in skin color, hair texture, and other features, yet refuse to accept the fact that athletic performances could possibly be affected. I don't know why. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Easy on Sun May 31 10:52:15 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun May 31 10:38:48 2009. I don't know why.Yes you do. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 11:06:59 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 23:12:26 2009. Perhaps all those "Asian scientists and engineers" just studied a bit more diligently in school than their fellow students? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun May 31 11:16:54 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun May 31 11:06:59 2009. Perhaps all those "Asian scientists and engineers" just studied a bit more diligently in school than their fellow students?I've heard that's often the case in universities. Other students are out having fun, and many of the Asians are working away. In his book Outliers, Malcolm Gladwell says that the high attention to detail and hard work that rice farming requires may have, over the centuries, contributed to this Asian work ethic. It's an intriguing idea, though he acknowledges that a major weakness is the fact that only parts of East Asia are rice-growing areas. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun May 31 13:16:10 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun May 31 10:38:48 2009. WKIS? Nurture generally beats nature. Any (healthy) human being can learn to do anything other humans do. Training, experience, effort, will. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 31 14:18:19 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 30 18:37:23 2009. Yea, what you said. Unlike Argentina I can't guarantee it, but there is a population where you'd never know it for years until you hear someone say they are.Watch Hells Kitchen last season? That girl was Brazilian who was a finalist. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 31 14:19:18 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 19:35:50 2009. They also have the worlds largest Japanese population, after Japan. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 31 14:20:22 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 30 23:11:05 2009. Ahh, go mow the lawn pedro. :p |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 31 14:21:12 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 30 18:33:11 2009. I wonder if she'll screw up like Nobama did on his.The question is, can she lie or not. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun May 31 16:27:27 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun May 31 10:38:48 2009. True. People pick and choose what's offensive. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun May 31 16:30:53 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 31 14:18:19 2009. There are quite a few Brazilian super models who look totally euro/white too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 31 16:34:19 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Mitch45 on Sun May 31 08:47:13 2009. Its got nothing to do with looks, my friend. Its the passion and the fireAnd that's a stereotype. I know some ice-cold Latinas. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun May 31 16:34:38 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 31 14:19:18 2009. Which is why they dominate UFC/MMA world. The sport has been part of their culture for decades, thanks to the Japanese, and also Korean.The family that owns the very successful Brazilian restaurant on Northern Blvd is Brazilian of Korean background. "Green Field". I'll bet a few Chatters have been there before. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 31 16:35:55 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 31 14:21:12 2009. She's not a Vulcan; she can lie.(And yes, those comparisons between "Barack and Spock" are invalid too, except for people who live in a dream world.) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun May 31 16:52:43 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun May 31 06:44:20 2009. At one time there were more Jews living in NYC than in all of Israel.Ok. I'll assume Hebrew media was as successful as Hispanic media "at one time". New York is a pretty diverse city. Lots of Russians. I remember when someone started Radio Vresu on 88.9 and lost millions, even though he was the only Russian music station in the city. Russians didn't care b/c they assimilate fast. Many Hispanic groups don't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 31 17:08:57 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 18:10:34 2009. So do whitesRacism? |
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