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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 4 07:59:51 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:56:13 2009. Current immigrant should read up on what past immigrants had to deal withEn que idioma? In what language? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 08:03:34 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 4 07:59:51 2009. Hehe, I understand Spanish...no translation necessary....But that is a good question.... |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 4 09:21:21 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:45:56 2009. No, but many people know Yiddish because of religion.You are mixing up Yiddish and Hebrew. Many people know Hebrew because of their religion. Very few people know Yiddish for any other reason than that one or both of their parents spoke it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 4 20:26:11 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:46:52 2009. False. Religion is the herring in this argument. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 01:53:28 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:44:51 2009. When my mother's family came here, they even had to change their names to "more American sounding names". For example, "Helena" became Helen, and so forth....the american versions of the names.Today the opposite happens. Anglo parents will give their kids exotic "foreign-sounding" names. I am the only one in my family (cousins and nephews included) that has a non-Italian first name. Then I go to Italy where parents also now give their kids non-Italian names where Maria becomes Mary and Gregorio becomes Gregory. It seems that people will alsways find the grass to be greener on the other side. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 02:00:05 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 01:53:28 2009. Should people in America give their kids Anglo names? I think so. Vincenzo should be Vincent. Annerys should simply be Ann. Piyush should be Bobby. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 04:14:57 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 02:00:05 2009. Should people in America give their kids Anglo names? I think so. Vincenzo should be Vincent. Annerys should simply be Ann. Piyush should be Bobby.what's the Anglo name for Amerigo? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 04:20:35 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 04:14:57 2009. What about Nufio? Some names don't translate at all.I knew a girl from Korea named Nansuk, and I always told her to use the name Nancy when looking for a job. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 04:29:06 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 04:20:35 2009. I knew a girl from Korea named Nansuk, and I always told her to use the name Nancy when looking for a job.That's good advice considering here unfortunate (in English) name. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 04:33:53 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 04:29:06 2009. Between laps, we used to talk about these things in the pool. She thought about it, as many other people with ethnic names have.I know so many Italians who have done the same. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 04:48:34 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 04:33:53 2009. I know so many Italians who have done the same.Some with long or unpronouncable names did so. But somebody simply named "Marco" or "Carlo" or "Anna" should have no reason to change his/her name. My brother went with a nickname for decades because his real name is hard to say for some but returned to his real name a few years ago. Me and a few others still call him by his nickname because it's cool. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 04:55:00 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 04:48:34 2009. Someone with a name like "Filiberto" should just be "Phil". That's reasonable. "Jose" is totally mainstream though.I agree with "Marco", "Anna", and "Carlo". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 21:18:39 2009, in response to What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat May 30 14:54:11 2009. 84 TimesThis woman clearly has issues with race and gender. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jun 5 21:23:33 2009, in response to Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 21:18:39 2009. How was that guy, Miguel Estrada? And the Democrats blocked him?I probably doubt he was anything as radical as to mention his race that many times. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 21:30:57 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jun 5 21:23:33 2009. Just shows you that this woman has race and gender on her mind when deciding cases. How much more evidence do we need? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 21:31:44 2009, in response to Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 21:18:39 2009. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/05/john-zaubler-charged-with_n_211989.htmlMeanwhile, the Huffington Post will ignore the big story, in favor of this death threat stuff. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jun 5 21:51:27 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jun 5 21:23:33 2009. Estrada should indeed have been blocked; the Republicans were trying to shove someone down the Dems' throats who wasn't exactly forthcoming (he was a virtual unknown).At least people were familiar with Roberts' line of thinking. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Jun 5 22:17:36 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 4 01:31:27 2009. Don't see any wires, so it isn't a trolley.It's a BUS!!! |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 22:52:01 2009, in response to Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 21:18:39 2009. I heard about that today. President Obama had said last week that he was sure that she would have chosen different words if she could have. I wonder if he meant all 84 times? lol |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 22:52:58 2009, in response to Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 21:18:39 2009. "Sotomayor frequently remarked on her ethnicity and gender ."What's wrong with that? Gingrich today admitted, on FOX, that there's nothing in her court decisions to indicate she has used race in her decision-making. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 22:53:57 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 21:31:44 2009. Uh-huh - you are a sick puppy if you think a death threat is not a big story. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 22:58:04 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 22:52:58 2009. I read in the LA Times yesterday that she gave a speech in 1996 where she said that she discovered while in college that she was proud to be Hispanic. As she became aware she decided that she would dedicate herself to helping Hispanic people whenever she could and that's why she joined La Raza. It really doesn't seem appropriate to advance someone to such an important position when she has stated that her goal in life is to help one particular group of people. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jun 5 23:03:43 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 22:53:57 2009. Bush has had many death threats in the past.In this case, one nutcase isn't that big a deal. The police should lock up the nutcase [if not already] and that's the end of that problem. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 23:05:54 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 22:58:04 2009. Well, of course, she said and did that before she became a judge. She left the Board of LaRaza when she was first appointed to the bench.I don't think a goal of helping Latinos in your personal life is inconsistent with impartial judgment on the court. What about Thurgood Marshall?- he dedicated his whole pre-court career to helping out black people. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 23:07:22 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jun 5 23:03:43 2009. True. So what's Luch's point? That they should ignore the death threat in the news? BTW, the original death-threat story was from Newsday, not Huffington Post. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 23:09:43 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 23:05:54 2009. What about Thurgood Marshall?- he dedicated his whole pre-court career to helping out black people.No he didn't. Didn't we already have this discussion when you said a couple of weeks ago when you said that the NAACP was for black people? Thurgood Marshall fought against discrimination, but not just for blacks, although blacks were the most visible victims in his time. Really, how dare you even say that. I'm sure that he never said that he was only for blacks. Even Jesse Jackson would never say such a thing. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jun 5 23:13:36 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 23:07:22 2009. Of course the death threat shouldn't be ignored, but it's not on the same scale as the numerous death threats against Bush. Granted being president it is to be expected, but in this case it seems to be *hopefully* an isolated case.*sincere wish |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 23:21:53 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 23:09:43 2009. AARGH. Sure he worked to end discrimination generally, but he was driven to that task because of the injustices against blacks. His primary goal was justice for African-Americans, whatever else he may have said. The whole civil rights movement in the South and the move to end separate-but-equal was about blacks. I'm sure that characterizing it as a general correction of injustice (if that is in fact what he said) made it more palatable to the public than merely helping blacks would have been, but what does the CP in NAACP stand for, anyway?Do you have any proof that he never said he intended to help blacks? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 23:33:12 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 23:21:53 2009. You're changing it around. I never said that he didn't intend to help blacks, just that he didn't intend to help only blacks as Sotomayor had dedicated herself to helping only Hispanics. I'm pretty sure that he never said anything like that in any event. It's really an odd thing to say. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 23:35:28 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 23:33:12 2009. Whatever he said, his career was 99% devoted to erasing the legacy of slavery - that means blacks.I don't know if what she said meant that she would help ONLY Hispanics. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 23:43:45 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 23:35:28 2009. I don't know about 99%. I've heard of Marshall being involved in cases like Mendez v. Westminster. I'm sure that there are others.She said (and I'm paraphrasing) that she had an awakening and that she would dedicate herself to helping her people. She felt that way in college and she felt that way in 1996. You can't say that you dedicate your life to one group and spin it that you really meant that you are dedicated to everyone. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 6 00:01:07 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 5 04:14:57 2009. what's the Anglo name for Amerigo?Ricky. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 01:17:52 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 23:35:28 2009. You're a desperate man. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 01:20:07 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 22:52:01 2009. LOL. I know. The left-wing talking point was, "You can't base someone's career on one quote". Now, it's looks like a pattern in her career. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 6 01:51:10 2009, in response to Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 5 21:18:39 2009. A similar statement made in 1994 was brought as evidence during her nomination hearings to the Court of Appeals before Republican Senators in 1997 and no one questioned her on it. She was confirmed with Republican support. And no, it doesn't mean more now that it's the Supreme Court she's being nominated to.So Obama's team can't claim it was some errant slip of the tongue and the Republicans need to withdraw their racist claim as they endorsed Sotomayor previously. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 6 01:53:55 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 22:58:04 2009. So we should never advance a rich guy who dedicates his life to advancing the interests of other rich guys? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 02:00:58 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 6 01:53:55 2009. No. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 6 02:05:42 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 02:00:58 2009. ok |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 04:54:17 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 22:52:01 2009. President Obama had said last week that he was sure that she would have chosen different words if she could have. I wonder if he meant all 84 times? lolI saw that interview with Obama. We have Gibbs telling us what Biden and Obama "really meant", and Obama telling us what "she probably meant, or really wanted to say". Doesn't anyone here say what they REALLY mean without someone else telling us "what they really meant or probably wanted to say"?? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 04:55:27 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 5 22:58:04 2009. I guess it's like Michelle that "for the first time is proud of her country". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 04:57:43 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jun 5 23:35:28 2009. I don't know if what she said meant that she would help ONLY Hispanics.LOL, backed in a corner, and now you are playing a "Gibbs", and telling us "what she really meant". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 04:58:03 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 01:17:52 2009. It's so obvious. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 04:59:13 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 6 01:53:55 2009. There's a difference between economics and discrimination. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 05:00:33 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 6 01:51:10 2009. and no one questioned her on it. She was confirmed with Republican supportWho cares if "the Republicans" approved her way back then or not. What do "the Republicans" have to do with this? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 05:01:20 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 01:20:07 2009. And when they lose on one point then it's the "but that's not what she meant each time" crap. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jun 6 05:05:21 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 05:00:33 2009. Basically...if they approved her before they shouldn't bitch about her now. Don't really know, myself...just a guess.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 05:27:40 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jun 6 05:05:21 2009. No, it's the old excuse, when they have nothing better to say about the facts, it's the old "...well the Republicans".... |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jun 6 05:51:12 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 05:27:40 2009. Sadly....everyone's got "the old excuse" down pat. No party wants to take responsiblity anymore.How do we tell'em to fuck off we're sick of you all? We can't afford not to vote either. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 06:37:58 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jun 6 05:51:12 2009. Jimmy, you should get the "post of the year" award, as you have mirrored my thoughts on both politically parties pretty well. I am sick of both parties, and I can't find a politician right now I hold too well thought of. Politicians don't want to take ANY responsibility for their actions anymore, and that goes for BOTH parties. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jun 6 08:14:40 2009, in response to Re: Sotomayor 84 times she used race/gender Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 6 05:27:40 2009. Those are the facts, Chris, and Jimmy explained it quite clearly. Who would be blocking her confirmation? Republicans right? Who made claims of racism about her comments? Republicans. Who gave her a pass in 1997 after similar comments came to light? Rep...Dots connected :D your pal, Fred |
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