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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:02:49 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 2 22:19:03 2009. The Forward. Ok. That's a real force in the media. Top advertisers have been lining up for decades to buy space.The population of Yiddish speakers to anyone else in this country isn't particularly significant, but your assertion that Yiddish print media didn't last a generation is still wrong. Can I find a website for this newspaper in Yiddish? Or is it in English? It's available in both.  |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:04:46 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 06:40:50 2009. How much Yiddish papers and theater are there outside of neighborhoods where they live?How much Spanish-language media is there outside where Spanish speakers live? No, there isn't as much Yiddish press or theater as there was a hundred years ago because there aren't as many Yiddish speakers. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 08:30:40 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:02:49 2009. The population, and circulation are significant.I'll be looking for this on newsstands next week when I'm in Forest Hills. Makes sense that I should be able to find it there. Right? What city is this paper out of? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 08:34:13 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:04:46 2009. Don't you see the difference? Yiddish faded out. Spanish media just keeps growing. Spanish media should be fading, with so many second generation Hispanics in this country. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:53:30 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 08:30:40 2009. I'll be looking for this on newsstands next week when I'm in Forest Hills. Makes sense that I should be able to find it there. Right?What city is this paper out of? New York. You'll probably have an easier time finding it in Williamsburg* or Borough Park. *where even bus destination signs are in Yiddish 
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:54:10 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 08:34:13 2009. Spanish media should be fading, with so many second generation Hispanics in this country.And with so many first-generation Hispanics in this country? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 09:00:35 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:54:10 2009. And with so many first-generation Hispanics in this country?They should be learning English by now. Don't you think? There are as many Spanish-language television stations in NY, LA, and Chicago, as Guadalajara, Monterrey, and Tijuana. This can't be sustained without support from the second-generation. I can't complain though. I watch as much Spanish television as English. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 3 09:10:21 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 09:00:35 2009. >>>I can't complain though.<<<Could've fooled me. You sure do an awful lot of it |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 10:08:03 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:02:49 2009. You are forgetting about also adding a religious aspect to this, which you don't have with Spanish |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 10:10:11 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:53:30 2009. *where even bus destination signs are in Yiddish Oh, you mean private bus carriers? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 3 10:37:05 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 06:40:50 2009. How much Yiddish papers and theater are there outside of neighborhoods where they live? There's no large onslaught of neighborhoods like that. Sure it's popular in neighborhoods where they live (just like you had German Theater in the 1920's and 30's in German Neighborhoods), Italian theater in italian neighborhoods, etc).Um, the issue is proportionality. Relative to the size of the Yiddish-speaking population, Yiddish papers and theater have been just as successful as Spanish TV. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 10:50:49 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 10:10:11 2009. Oh, you mean private bus carriers?Just like private bus carriers in a different ethnic neighborhood would cater to that ethnicity. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 10:53:49 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 09:00:35 2009. They should be learning English by now. Don't you think?The first- generation hispanics should be learning English by now? So if someone emigrates here from China tomorrow, he should already know English because there have been Chinese here since the 19th century? |
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Posted by Andrew Kirschner on Wed Jun 3 11:41:59 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Sat May 30 15:11:47 2009. Hispanic is an ethnicity that is seperate from race, sort of overlaying it. It can go together with white, black, or Native American, or any combination thereof. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 3 12:20:35 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by David Fairthorne on Sat May 30 15:05:09 2009. Spaniards are from Spain. Hispanics descend from the Spanish people who settled "Hispaniola" in the New World in the 16th century. They have the same roots but in the ensuing centuries, Hispanics have developed a different culture from Spaniards. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 16:00:08 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 10:53:49 2009. Yes. The hispanics should be learning English. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 16:27:09 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Wed Jun 3 11:41:59 2009. True.And did you know that not everyone in Mexico speaks Spanish? Some of the native languages are still in use and LA has very small communities where Spanish is not used. Are those people still Hispanic? They're basically the same as everyone else other than language ability. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 21:14:06 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 10:50:49 2009. Of course, and that's great. Private, that's not public. And you conveniently forgot the religious aspect of it in this post (and the other post). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 21:14:55 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 3 10:37:05 2009. You too are forgetting there is a religious aspect to Yiddish too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 21:17:35 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 10:53:49 2009. NO, a "first-generation" immigrant is the first of a family to move to a new country. If I immigrate into let's say "China", I am a first generation American living in China. My child, born there, would be a second generation. It's irrelevant when "Americans" first immgrated to China.But you already know that, I don't know what the nitpicking police are out for now, but your post doesn't make sense. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 3 21:20:23 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 21:14:06 2009. Subject line corrected. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 21:21:25 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racist background?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 3 21:20:23 2009. Even you homeboy Newt backed off that stance today. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 3 21:29:47 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racist background?, posted by Easy on Wed Jun 3 21:21:25 2009. If you continue to make idiotic posts like that then don't expect anything resembling a reasonable answer. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 22:23:45 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Tue Jun 2 22:21:40 2009. http://elmexicanopresenta.com/Look at the hot young girls throughout the short clip. It was shot at the San Jose Convention Center. This is a young Latino crowd that probably watches a blend of Univision and American television. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 3 22:43:21 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 21:14:06 2009. While private, it does operate under a government franchise. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 00:43:37 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 06:25:05 2009. My mother and grandfather needed to drive too and "start making a living and paying taxes", and they didn't have Dutch forms, documents, etc.Where's was Pieter Stuyvesant when you need 'em? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 4 01:11:04 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 1 19:14:10 2009. FALSE. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 01:15:03 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 06:34:25 2009. My grandmother did learn English, and spoke it well, although as she aged, she began going back, and spoke sort of half Dutch/Half English, but that had to do with age, as she did speak it well until she got into her 90's.My grandmother was already in her 50's when she came here. It's hard at that age to learn a new language. She understood it OK but could never really speak it properly. Her circle of friends were mostly other Italians or first-generation Americans who could speak Italian. She always spoke to me in Italian even though I would speak back in English as a kid. In later years, after I had lived in Italy for many years, I started speaking in Italian to her since I had become fluent by then. She lived to 98 years old. All my aunts and uncles, as well as my mother and grandfather became citizens....my grandmother is the only one that didn't. Same here (including my brother) except for my grandmother (for language reasons) and my mother who stayed an Italian citizen for the purpose of strange property laws in Italy and to smooth me and my dad's transfer to Italy since we were both US Citizens (my dad being naturalized) as she served as our immigration sponsor. The others all renounced their Italian citizenship. I became a naturalized Italian citizen at 18 and retain dual citizenship. That's the most ironic part of all! My mother's side of the family left Holland because it was pretty bad there after the German occupation during WWII, and the aftermath of the war. They had it "pretty good" there compared to others, but still chose to come here. Interestingly, while they worked like dogs, they were quite poor here. Strangely, Holland began to get better right around when they left, as did much of Europe, but they struggled hard here, but they did eventually make it. Hard workers. Yes times were bad then. It was sink or swim. My grandparents (with my aunt who was still their dependant child) came under similiar circumstances. My grandfather died at only 67-69 and I hardly remember him. My grandmother kept working well into her 70's. The newer generations will never know how tough it was. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 01:17:23 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 06:38:40 2009. You didn't have a whole subculture of immigrants with their hands out, and an attitude "what are you going to do for me".The only thing today's immigrants ask of us is Respect and most of them have earned it. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jun 4 01:21:20 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 01:15:03 2009. My grandmother was already in her 50's when she came here. It's hard at that age to learn a new language. She understood it OK but could never really speak it properly. Her circle of friends were mostly other Italians or first-generation Americans who could speak Italian.I've seen articles that say that's exactly the same situation with many Hispanic immigrants. I remember when it came out that Santa Ana, CA had one of the highest percentages of Spanish speaking people in the US, that they found that most of the Spanish speaking people in Santa Ana understand English. Most can speak at least a little, but they are afraid of being laughed at because they mispronounce words. Plus people always tell them that they can't understand them so they get self-conscious and stop trying. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 4 01:27:08 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 01:17:23 2009. They want job applications, public signage, and public school ESL programs at the tax payers expense. They aren't trying hard enough. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 4 01:28:09 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Tue Jun 2 22:17:10 2009. Der Heyliker Rebbe. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 4 01:29:33 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 10:08:03 2009. The Forward is not a religious publication. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 4 01:31:27 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:53:30 2009. Some trolley. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 01:32:47 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 08:34:13 2009. Don't you see the difference? Yiddish faded out.Just like German and Czech media faded out when Yiddish media was growing. It's the story of America. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 4 01:33:07 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 3 21:14:55 2009. Which is a HERRING |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 4 01:34:44 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 3 08:34:13 2009. Yiddish faded out everywhere. That's not likely to happen to Spanish. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 4 01:36:36 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 3 08:53:30 2009. I'll be looking. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 03:14:45 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Thu Jun 4 01:21:20 2009. yep. That's how it is and always has been. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 03:19:29 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 4 01:27:08 2009. and public school ESL programs at the tax payers expenseAs has been previously pointed out, that is one of the best public investments around since the higher incomes earned by those that went thru ESL pay back that tax money by many multiples and that public school ESL is nothing new, at least in NYC since my aunt went thru it 50 years ago. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jun 4 04:01:11 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 30 17:46:44 2009. Oh stop it! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:31:59 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 00:43:37 2009. Well, when one "red white and blue" was taken down in New Amsterdam for the new "red white and blue" in New York, all bets on Dutch were off....Just think, today it would be Dutch and Spanish instead of English and Spanish we perhaps would be complaining about.... :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:38:50 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 01:15:03 2009. My grandmother was already in her 50's when she came here. It's hard at that age to learn a new language. She understood it OK but could never really speak it properly. Her circle of friends were mostly other Italians or first-generation Americans who could speak Italian. She always spoke to me in Italian even though I would speak back in English as a kid. In later years, after I had lived in Italy for many years, I started speaking in Italian to her since I had become fluent by then. She lived to 98 years old.My grandmother also lived to be 98! By her 80's, she began to speak "Dutchlish" to us, and after being around Dutch much of my life, we all understood. I can't speak Dutch, other than perhaps "getting by", but I can understand it perfectly, and can read it....although can't write it. Yes times were bad then. It was sink or swim. My grandparents (with my aunt who was still their dependant child) came under similiar circumstances. My grandfather died at only 67-69 and I hardly remember him. This is so similar to my family....my grandfather died at 62...way too young, so I never met him. You are right, the newer generations will never know how tough it was back then. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:40:48 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Easy on Thu Jun 4 01:21:20 2009. Most can speak at least a little, but they are afraid of being laughed at because they mispronounce words. Plus people always tell them that they can't understand them so they get self-conscious and stop trying.That's nothing new. My grandparents and mother and aunts and uncles were also laughed at when they tried to speak English. ALL immigrants go through that, the Spanish are no different. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:41:32 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jun 4 03:14:45 2009. Exactly, that IS how it is, and how it's ALWAYS been, I dont know why this is presented like it's "something new". All immigrants from every country went through that. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 4 07:44:28 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:38:50 2009. The newer generations of immigrants never had to live in a ghetto like the Italians, Jews, Irish, and probably Germans as well.Today's first generation lives in Ozone Park, Jackson Heights, and Canarsie. Solid middle class neighborhoods. Yet, among today's immigrants, there's an attitude of exclusion from America's mainstream, and lack of opportunity. Unreal. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:44:51 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:41:32 2009. ...in fact, I think it's better than now than it used to be. We are MUCH more accepting of foreign cultures than we used to be.When my mother's family came here, they even had to change their names to "more American sounding names". For example, "Helena" became Helen, and so forth....the american versions of the names. Imagine asking a "Miguel" to be a "Mike" nowadays (against his will, I am not talking about people willfully doing that). While it may still happen, it's totally acceptable to be a "Miguel" today, whereas it wasn't decades ago. It's actually sort of "trendy" to have non-American sounding names nowadays. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:45:56 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 4 01:29:33 2009. No, but many people know Yiddish because of religion. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:46:52 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 4 01:33:07 2009. Yes, on both sides of the argument. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 4 07:56:13 2009, in response to Re: What's Sonia Sotomayor's racial background?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 4 07:44:28 2009. Current immigrant should read up on what past immigrants had to deal with, like the Lower East Side, the Mulberry St Bend, and 5 Points, etc used to be like just over 100 years ago. |
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