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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 26 16:03:47 2006, in response to Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 17:47:44 2006. Fortunately, I used to ride the F train mostly in those days and for some reason, they escaped the worst of the graffiti. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 26 16:04:27 2006, in response to Re: I meant 1986, not 1989 in above post. Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:52:00 2006. I've heard that when they were new, the R-16s weren't that bad. Karl B says people loved them back then. Poor maintenance, or lack thereof, definitely didn't help in later years. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:08:39 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 15:13:44 2006. Soon, it will be too rich for them to live there. They'll be forced to move to Woodside or Ozone Park. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:09:37 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:24:07 2006. I remember a lot of R42's which had their storm doors jammed open with wood during the summer. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:15:11 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:36:07 2006. Same here. Until the 2003 Redbird Ramble, I hadn't ridden that el since 1987...on an R17. The lines that truly scared me were the ones where white people were rare. The 2, 4, 5 in the Bronx, the 2 & 3 in Brooklyn, and the CC were at the top. Most of the other lines, including the J & M at least had significant caucasian ridership. It wasn't racism. It was simply a fear of standing out in the crowd. Then I transferred to FK Lane and I got used to being the only white guy around. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:16:40 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 15:46:05 2006. They're probably dead. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:19:31 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Jace on Wed Jul 26 15:46:31 2006. The area around New Lots Ave terminal was where some of my high school friends (and family) went to get their pharmacuticals in the late 80's. And it looked like the drug den it was. Today, I have in-laws all over that area, and I feel completely comfortable in the neighborhood. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 26 16:24:54 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:15:11 2006. LOL!For Real? When I came back to New York during the mid-80's..I had some "homeies" that lived in the Bay Ridge/Bensonhurst area of South Brooklyn.. Use to rider the R train all the way out...or the B train... I never had any problems with being there,even though I was usually the only person of color around. It was cool..cause people that you THOUGHT would be UNFRIENDLY turned out to be MORE than friendly! One of them went back to the Navy...and one moved next door to me here in the Northside. People are the same all over,if you give them the chance. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:32:05 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 26 16:24:54 2006. Yes. No white people rode a 2 or 3 train above 96th St. You really stood out if you remained on. Ditto for the 4 & 5 north of 125th. The 1 & 6 lines had significant caucasian patronage at the north end of each line, so I rode those a lot. The Livonia Ave el? Forget about it. The only white people riding those trains were cops. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 16:40:22 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 26 06:10:45 2006. I was once locked out in between cars on a R44 A train at around 2:30 am. The end door wasn't locked properly and I could open it, stepped forward to find the next car's door locked and the first door closing behind me. Eventually someone pointed to me the flip switch and I got out but it was a scary experience.Back then, I didn't know which car types were supposed to have their end door locked. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 16:46:05 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Fytton on Wed Jul 26 10:48:23 2006. Paris Métro had its dose of tagging around 1990 but at least the trains kept running (OPTO and ATO too). The same can't be said about the SNCF suburban lines though. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 17:40:11 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 00:13:03 2006. Click here:http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=287445 |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 17:46:34 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:08:39 2006. Woodside was the choice in the late eighties already. That expanded to Sunnyside and LIC in the nineties. Ozone Park is too far from anything useful to an artist. Fort Greene to Bed-Stuy has already Pratt students and grads (and drop-outs). Maybe the next wave after Bushwick will be Crown Heights to East New York. |
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Posted by Canton Viaduct on Wed Jul 26 17:46:59 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 15:25:10 2006. Since I've lived in this area for the past three years (from 100th and Broadway to 97th and Columbus) and haven't been exposed to the apparent dark side that some for whatever the reason claim still exists, I'd be interested in some photos of the area from the 70s, or from whenever this area was a shade (or shades) from Alphabet City, because I just find it very hard to believe. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 18:16:27 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:49:54 2006. I knew you'd get a kick out of it. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 18:24:38 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:16:40 2006. Ohhhhhh!!!The latest I could find after googling was that in Decision XII(1999), Julio get the result of his HIV test and finds out he's not positive. So, they may now be married and have kids. Who knows? If anyone has the video of Decision I (with real actors, not cartoon), I'd love to see it. "Yo te quiero, Marisol" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 18:35:13 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:19:31 2006. Yeah, I have driven around there lately, and I have no problem with it now. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 18:39:35 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:15:11 2006. I didn;t mean to imply that I was scared of the Broadway El, as I wsasn't....I rode through every day, at least the western portion of it, and often enough throughout the 80's too on the east of Myrtle part.It's not so much that I was scared, it was more of an uneasy feeling, and it was mostly because of all the abandoned and burnt out buildings, it just gave an uneasy, depressing feeling going through there. Today, I am there all the time. I just love how Bushwick is coming along. Many streets are so nice now. It still has a way to go, but it's not a neighborhood to be uncomfortable in anymore. Again, it's probably because of all the new buildings, and basically 95% of all the abandoned ones are either gone or refurbished now. it's come a long way in the last 10 years, and it's better every day. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 18:43:47 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 16:08:39 2006. Since I don't ride the J and M as much as I used to when I lived there, it's really noticable to me. While I have been through Bushwick and Williamsburg a few times a month in my car, I have not ridden the Broadway el until today in more than a half a year. What I find the most interesting, is all the young people that now get on at those stations. There are so many 20 somethings and 30 somethings getting on at Lorimer and Hewes now. Enough to be noticable.You never saw that even 5 to 10 years ago, at least not like this. And all the apartment buildings going up near Lorimer! That was a vast wasteland just 3 or 4 years ago. The same thing that's happening in Bushwick is happening there in Williamsburg too, but it's on such a larger scale in Williamsburg. Such huge buildings. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 18:45:38 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 17:46:34 2006. East New York is already showing signs. Bushwick is a few years ahead, but ENY is not too far behind. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 18:46:47 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 26 16:03:47 2006. Probably because the F's were mostly R46's? |
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Posted by ALP44 on Wed Jul 26 18:52:12 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 20:59:03 2006. We used to take pics of our art after an all nighter in the yard or lay-up. I no longer have any but wished I still had them.Until then..... ALP 44 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 19:46:22 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 18:46:47 2006. I never rode anything BUT an R46 on the F until 1990. |
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Posted by Eric B on Wed Jul 26 22:05:51 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 26 06:45:08 2006. What exactly is a "church key"? Is that the same as our "R9 key" today? I had heard this term used before by someone here, then started asking around, but no one knew. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Jul 26 22:09:48 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Eric B on Wed Jul 26 22:05:51 2006. "R9 Key" is a common term, "Church key", thats knew. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 23:43:00 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 15:25:10 2006. Get off the A/C at Nostrand Avenue. THAT is the tip of the iceberg of true grunginess. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 23:45:53 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 26 08:45:06 2006. Weren't A lot of R44/46's at CI? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jul 26 23:46:26 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 26 15:25:10 2006. Exactly -- down to the precise street numbers.Of course, if you come back now, you'll find that 103rd and Broadway isn't remotely grungy anymore. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 23:46:29 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 12:25:47 2006. Were there more people on Queens Blvd? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 00:22:37 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 26 08:24:16 2006. Ayup, and not by much ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 00:26:11 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 26 08:40:39 2006. I *know* the answer to this one ... and it was the same reason for some of the REALLY weird colors for some of the El paintjobs too. MILITARY SURPLUS, dirt cheap ... I'd asked when I was working there, and that was the answer. The "interior paint" came largely from the NAVY (green, gray and the two shades of blue) and the brown, green and orange EL paint came from the ARMY so I was told. The primer was also NAVY surplus ... massive quantities of it, dirt cheap. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 00:52:35 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jul 26 10:27:39 2006. THAT'S the one ... sorry, been a long time and too many toys from hither to yon in between. :)I rolled my own from scratch in 1981 called "TBE - The Big Experiment" written in TI-BASIC, 99 assembler and P-code and for the port to IBM, worked with a really nice guy named Hue An Wang (his dad owned a computer company) which eventually became "Citadel" ... got ported to just about every platform in existence when we rewrote it in ANSI C. It was a room-based thing from which today's "forum-based" boards came into existence ... I always found the other BBS programs to be wasteful, insecure and bloated. TBE in its last new version in 1996 was still less than 64k for its core and highly secure. No TBE or Citadel system EVER got "hacked." EVER. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 01:03:02 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Eric B on Wed Jul 26 22:05:51 2006. Yep ... there were two separate types of church key, though you were only supposed to carry the one for your division. It's that cheesy aluminum S-shaped key that fit storm doors, crew key hole, cab door ... different notches in the flat for each division. B division had the cut perpendicular to the shaft, A division had two notches parallel to the shaft. Still have mine (both divisions) as well as brake handle, reverser and butt plug. Whenever I visit the city, I leave them HERE. But they're useful still at Branford, and I always bring them with me. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 01:04:03 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 01:03:02 2006. I should also add that they're also known as "crew keys" as distinguished from them silly "vapor" jobbies you guys carry nowadays. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jul 27 01:17:09 2006, in response to Re: I meant 1986, not 1989 in above post. Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 13:01:32 2006. Do you remember riding the GE R16s? |
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Posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 27 01:59:39 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 18:46:51 2006. or the genuine fear you'd be killed at any time by gangs of muggersThat's not the worst of it back then they actually let passengers pass between cars! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 27 08:07:38 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 01:03:02 2006. 1689 is waiting for you.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 27 08:09:54 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 00:26:11 2006. That answers that question. Now for the $64,000 question: just what in heaven's name did the army paint pistachio green? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 08:39:55 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 27 08:07:38 2006. And I'm waiting for a check so's I can have a DAY off. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 08:42:37 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 27 08:09:54 2006. The "green" was NAVY ... at least the car interiors ... don't think I ever saw THAT on an EL ... the DARKER greem, yes - THAT was army on the steelwork. But the cars were painted with "institutional green" and the NAVY had a *LOT* of it ... same for the two tones of blue through the 60's ... I guess they painted destroyers with that stuff. It was lead/enamel-based, and rather resistant to chemical washdowns. And we all know where the DECK PAINT came from for the arnines. :) |
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Posted by Deaks on Thu Jul 27 09:59:35 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by davesgcr on Wed Jul 26 14:39:33 2006. This was in service with Arriva Trains Wales a few months ago I believe that the policy of Arriva TW and Central Trains (I've seen two or three of their units in tagged to this degree) is that, when the grafitti is applied when the unit's stabled at an outstation, it's allocated to a diagram which will return it to a major depot the next day to enable removal. As outstations will rarely - if ever - have a spare unit available, it's a choice between cancelling service(s) or running a badly-tagged unit in service for one day. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 27 10:34:01 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Canton Viaduct on Wed Jul 26 17:46:59 2006. Amsterdam/Broadway and 103rd at night still had shades of the past in the summer of 2001, which was the last time that I actually went there.I've been living in the East Village since 1989 and parts of it are unrecognizable now. There was this big vacant lot around 4th St. and Ave. C which was populated by the homeless, drug addicts and so on. Now that I don't remember its exact location I can't find any traces of it. I think I have some photos of pre-Giulliani Tompkins Sq. and boy, those were different times. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 27 10:40:31 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 23:43:00 2006. We drove through the area recently, trying to find Atlantic Ave. (from Linden Blvd). Believe me, I've seen worse. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 11:02:25 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jul 27 10:34:01 2006. Angel's Clubhouse on East 5th is still there, sorry to hear GEM SPA went away. :( |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 11:14:53 2006, in response to Re: I meant 1986, not 1989 in above post. Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jul 27 01:17:09 2006. I didn't even know there were two clases of the cars that looked like the R27-30's, much less stuff like that. I didn't know the "names" of all the classes of cars I used to ride until around 1990 or so when I first saw a copy of Brian Cuhday's "under the Sidewalks of New York" book. You were on your own back then, there was no internet. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 27 11:20:28 2006, in response to Re: I meant 1986, not 1989 in above post. Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 11:14:53 2006. I first learned about contract numbers in 1980 while visiting Shoreline. Eddie S. indoctrinated me on contract numbers. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 27 11:50:27 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 08:39:55 2006. I hear you.:( |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 27 11:58:33 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 27 08:42:37 2006. The dark green was OK. So was the two-tone blue; in fact, I liked it. It was that hideous pistachio green that gave the nausea look to car interiors. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 13:03:57 2006, in response to Re: I meant 1986, not 1989 in above post. Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 11:14:53 2006. I didn't know the "names" of all the classes of carsLooking carefully at the couplers and trucks of car classes today will reveal what their name is. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 27 14:21:37 2006, in response to Re: I meant 1986, not 1989 in above post. Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jul 27 01:17:09 2006. No, I wouldn't have known what I was riding in those days. All I knew was the trains with the round front windows sucked more than the square ones. |
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