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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by J trainloco on Thu May 10 07:41:29 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 00:05:28 2012.

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They've certainly done a lot for city riders over the past decade.

If they were to integrate the fare systems of NYCT and LIRR/MNRR, they probably could serve city riders far better than they do now. If they had a waiver to operate their trains on NYCT's tracks, they could do even more.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by J trainloco on Thu May 10 07:55:31 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Joe V on Wed May 9 20:55:16 2012.

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When a new rail line is built on flat terrain, they don't have to replace the soils all the way down to the deepest roots of the existing . So why would they have to do it on an embankment?

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu May 10 08:01:07 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:38:54 2012.

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When the line was rebuilt in the 1940's in the Rockaways, it was definitely built with rapid transit in mind, hence the high-level platforms. Even the Woodhaven & Ozone Park stations were built high-level.
I'd love to see it restored and re-opened for subway service. It would save a lot of time for cross-Queens commuters, and you'd have another way around possible service disruptions on the Fulton St. line.
I want to have the opportunity to ride over that right-of-way in my lifetime.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by J trainloco on Thu May 10 08:04:12 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by merrick1 on Thu May 10 07:14:37 2012.

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Agree with your post for the most part, but to be fair, there are politicians calling for reactivation of the line.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by J trainloco on Thu May 10 08:08:59 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 10 00:22:16 2012.

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The benefit of the Rockaway line that you're not acknowledging is that capital costs would be lower, and it could generate entirely new ridership. Yes, most are headed to manhattan, but you could pick up additional non-CBD bound riders who presently take a far less convenient bus or even train to bus option. It won't have the ridership levels of SAS, but it also won't cost nearly as much to build.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 10 08:25:13 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:37:08 2012.

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Right. In those days, it was just cars, cars, cars...so we got the Van Wyck "Expressway", etc...and JFK is a dump of an airport. I flew out of there in '09...getting there took forever, and the terminal itself was a throwback to the very worst of 1961.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 10 08:36:41 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 10 08:25:13 2012.

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You should see how far Hong Kongs airport is from Hong Kong!

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 10 08:39:09 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by J trainloco on Thu May 10 08:08:59 2012.

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You're still looking at a cost of perhaps 1 billion. The Rockaways Ridership isn't the highest, its stations are among some of the lowest in the system, the cost of the line has to be justified. Looking at that... its very hard to justify it. However I've been thinking about it, and drawing station designs (yay architecture class is actually working) If they build a line they need to incorporate a lot of techniques to make it as cheap as possible.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 10 08:41:58 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:21:33 2012.

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I understand, but thanks for posting that information. I might call the city and ask for permission to explore that route. My architecture and engineering blood wants to see the status of the line, platforms and see the "damage" myself.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu May 10 09:33:06 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by J trainloco on Thu May 10 07:41:29 2012.

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The MTA should have been integrating the Transit and LIRR/MNRR fares all along. Getting those wavers would really be desirable, but they would need to order a fleet of trains that can operate on both subway and railroad tracks.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu May 10 09:34:30 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:37:08 2012.

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I agree; Rockaway should come back as a Transit line if it gets restored.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 09:57:55 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by merrick1 on Thu May 10 07:14:37 2012.

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Including yourself.
Also,I'd like to add that this recent proposal wasnt "brought up by transit geeks"..
Did you even read any of the recent developments or attend any of the hearings? I dont think so,otherwise you would have thought twice before making such a ridiculous statement.Apparently,making those sort of statements is ok with you.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 09:59:56 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by J trainloco on Thu May 10 08:04:12 2012.

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Correct..but calling us "transit geeks",while hes doing the exact same thing kinda put a black eye on him and his comment.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 10 10:02:19 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 10 06:28:42 2012.

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Just sayin', it sounds like the records show the original purchaser of records. The defining answer would be who pays taxes? Betcha nobody.

It's the current owner. Here's the 2012 tentative tax assessment for Block 9286 Lot 82, the right of way between Jamaica Avenue and 89th Avenue. Note DCAS is listed under "Owner Name," not "Real Estate Billing Name." It appears you're right about nobody paying taxes.

It makes absolutely no sense that DCAS would be the original purchaser (from whom, the Canarsie Indians?) of a Long Island Rail Road right of way.

You SHOULD be aware though, that the New York City Transit Authority (NYCTA) went away in 1966'ish. Don't believe there was ever a bill of sale. But DO carry on ...

No, the New York City Transit Authority is still the legal name of "MTA New York City Transit."

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 10:05:03 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 10 08:39:09 2012.

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The line may not draw the same numbers the SAS route will..it may not ever draw close to it..but that does not mean it can be dismissed on a whim cause you disagree with its concept.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 10 10:06:22 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 10 00:07:05 2012.

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Which site did you get this from? I'd like to see it.

You can get the same info from OasisNYC. Click on the Location Report tab on the right side of the page, select the lot, and it gives you property information and links to City records.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by sloth on Thu May 10 10:06:58 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 00:53:52 2012.

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I would think a north-south Queens service would be extremely popular. When I was younger & didn't drive, I sometimes went from Flushing to Ozone Park, and the available options were: Q27 to Flushing, 7 to Times Sq, A to Ozone Park; or Q31 to Jamaica to either Q8 or J to A. No matter how I did it, that's a crappy, circuitous commute that can be done in 20-30 minutes by car.

The advantage of using the Rockaway line is that the ROW already exists and is mostly intact; the disadvantage is that it runs through some lightly populated areas. A better location for a north-south Queens line would be Flushing to Jamaica to meet an extension of the Liberty Avenue line. The Flushing-Jamaica corridor is served by 4 different bus lines (counting the 20/44 and 25/34 as one bus each). I don't know the ridership figures, but the 25/34 seems like the best choice because it's pretty direct and serves Queens College. Anyway, good luck getting that thing built.

I'd guess that plenty of people drive to avoid a bus, but might prefer subway service to driving.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu May 10 10:08:42 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:11:11 2012.

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Stops at Myrtle Ave and Union Tpk would likely be low-use stations because they would be located in relatively isolated areas where you would have to take a bus to get to those stations. An Austin St stop would get low ridership because it would be too close to 67th Ave and 63rd Drive, neither of which is bursting at the seems. As for Yellowstone Blvd, it's close to Metropolitan Ave in that area and if you had stops on both streets, they'd cannibalize riders from each other. But a stop at Metro without one also at Yellowstone would probably generate decent ridership.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 10:16:17 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed May 9 13:54:11 2012.

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highly unlikely..you typed or the WHOLE PARAGRAPH in caps...intentionally.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 10:28:24 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by J trainloco on Thu May 10 07:41:29 2012.

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hmmm..doing ''more for city riders" helps them in the long run..making services attractive draws people in..
but ,they can do more..like lowering the fare for city line services ..improving the headway's..running a shuttle overnight between Flatbush Terminal and Jamaica after through services end for late night travelers [half hour service till 2 am..90 minutes service to 5am]

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 10:35:24 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 10 00:20:55 2012.

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I find it funny how far folks are willing to go in order to make a point.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 10:40:47 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:45:37 2012.

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The MTA is a administrating agency..
It operates..delegates..but DOES NOT OWN ANY OF THE NYCT PROPERTIES..
The CITY OF NEW YORK owns it..lock..stock barrel.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 10:57:26 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 10 10:02:19 2012.

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No matter how haRD THE mta WANTS TO RUBBER STAMP THEIR CRAPPY LOGO ALL OVER EVERYTHING..They are still second stringers to the NYCTA..

The state of NY,The governor at that time[ ROCKEFELLER S ]forced the TA to be absorbed into MCTA by doing to them what the BOARD OF TRANSPORTATION did to the PSC,BMT and IRT..take them over by making the cost of doing business harder,denying operating funding..and other underhanded schemes..THEN used us to get bonds floated for subway routes that they were NEVER going to build..take money from the TRIBORO BRIDGE and TUNNEL to fund RONANS LIRR..and to get rid of Robert Moses.
After the MTA took over in 1968...the subway sunk faster than a rock tossed in the ocean.

The MTA is the offspring of backroom shady deals,dishonest politicians on par with the likes of Tammany Hall.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by J trainloco on Thu May 10 11:02:27 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 10 08:39:09 2012.

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You're still looking at a cost of perhaps 1 billion.

Maybe not. If provisions to connect the line to Queens Boulevard are already in place, then construction costs per mile to install new bed, rails, signals and structures will probably put you under 1 Billion.

The Rockaways Ridership isn't the highest,its stations are among some of the lowest in the system,the cost of the line has to be justified.

Fast service to Aqueduct, JFK airport, and new service to central queens with reduced construction costs should justify it.

If they build a line they need to incorporate a lot of techniques to make it as cheap as possible.

There's something to be said for having stations that look attractive. Leaving a concrete slab with painted metal railings and corrugated metal deck walls and roofs would work, but it looks unappealing, and the community will notice.

If you don't mind my asking, where did/do you take architecture classes?

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by tunnelrat on Thu May 10 11:08:22 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 10:16:17 2012.

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this is a reason to get upset?

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 11:30:44 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by tunnelrat on Thu May 10 11:08:22 2012.

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nah..not upset,brah..just wondering why,thats all.
we're cool.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by 3-9 on Thu May 10 12:13:47 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu May 10 08:01:07 2012.

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The problem is, though, it's a really expensive (and not very convenient) solution for getting people to the proposed convention center, the initial motivator for this discussion.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by 3-9 on Thu May 10 12:20:01 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:34:56 2012.

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The push for rail rapid transit to the airport is a relatively recent one, though. Like someone else said, it was primarily cars, with taxis and buses filling in the rest. Even the JFK Express was content with a shuttle bus for the last leg of the trip.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Joe V on Thu May 10 17:09:42 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 9 23:40:28 2012.

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You don't think what ?
Read "Change at Ozone Park". The author has a lot of credibility and states the costs of rebuilding and converting to subway operation.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by merrick1 on Thu May 10 19:27:03 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 09:59:56 2012.

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I'll admit to being a transit geek. I'm under no illusion that anything discussed here has any influence on anyone with any power.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by 3-9 on Thu May 10 19:58:48 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:01:25 2012.

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If there's supposed to be 50 years of growth, why does it look so clean?

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by merrick1 on Thu May 10 20:27:52 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by 3-9 on Thu May 10 19:58:48 2012.

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South of the bus yard is viaduct. There isn't much soil for trees to grow in. North of Atlantic Avenue is embankment and is much more heavily overgrown.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu May 10 21:39:30 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 9 21:56:04 2012.

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But the next question is rather simple: regardless of what governmental entity that public records indicate owns a particular right of way, in practice, what does it actually mean? Does it really make much difference if the city, the Transit Authority, the MTA, or even the state owns a piece of property? In the end, it is public property. Laws and politics will govern what is done or not done with it. And even if it were private property, the government could condemn it, and laws and politics rule anyway.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 10 21:56:58 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:26:34 2012.

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Does it really matter who owns it? THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO REACTIVATE THE ROCKAWAY LINE, PERIOD. EVER!! The only people who really want it reactivated are railfans, and for what reason I have no idea.
There already is a Rockaway Line. It's the "A" train. Even if there once was a small iota of a thought of reactivation, that was killed with AirTrain.
And to those who bring up the Aqueduct Casino and a possible convention center, remember, that when the ROW was discontinued by the LIRR, Aqueduct was in it's heyday getting between 25,000 and 50,000 attendence each day.

And if you want to argue it with me, DREAM ON, it ain't ever going to happen.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 22:01:11 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 10:35:24 2012.

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How far what? It was a simple correction on the incorrect statement you made. That's all it was. No trouble at all, it takes less than a minute to look up.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 22:02:50 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 10:40:47 2012.

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The tax records beg to differ with you.

And back when I lived along the M line el, the neighborhood wanted to make parking under the el, which they did. The arrangements were made with the MTA to do so, not the City of New York. when the land under the el was converted to parking spaces at rent.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 22:03:56 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 10 10:02:19 2012.

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Thank you, exactly.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 22:04:34 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 10:57:26 2012.

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That's all well and good, but they STILL own many of the subway lines on private ROW.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 22:05:31 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 10 08:41:58 2012.

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I did the Woodhaven station back in the early 90's. It was extremely interesting.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 22:08:22 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 10 10:06:22 2012.

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I forgot about Oasis. And it gives the same information I stated, that Selkirk and Edwards for some reason have a hard time understanding, don't want to believe, or whatever.... that the MTA owns some of the subway lines, not the city.
And the city owns the abandoned part of the Rockaway line.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 22:12:16 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by 3-9 on Thu May 10 19:58:48 2012.

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Go further up the line. That's the part on the Viaduct, which doesn't have soil, so less trees grew there. The rest of the line has 50 year growth trees.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by 3-9 on Fri May 11 01:29:15 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 22:12:16 2012.

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But that would also mean that there is less encroachment from vegetation on the viaduct, and thus a greater possibility that the concrete and steel is not as damaged as you might have thought. The embankment is overgrown, but at least in that case it isn't an actual structure.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 11 05:33:35 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by 3-9 on Fri May 11 01:29:15 2012.

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We were talking about the trestles, not the viaduct. The Viaduct only runs from liberty junction to where the Atlantic interlocking was.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 11 05:35:27 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 10 21:56:58 2012.

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I don't give a SHIT if the line "goes to Rockaway" or not. The point is the section in the middle, the Abandoned section for an area of Queens that has no service at all.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 11 05:36:04 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 10 11:30:44 2012.

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What would be more wondering is why someone would go to so much lengths to avoid admitting they were wrong.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by 3-9 on Fri May 11 12:27:43 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 11 05:35:27 2012.

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Well, the "cross Queens" and "extra Rockaway service" reasons were supposed to be extra gravy for reinstating the service. Individually, none of these reasons (including reinstating service north of Liberty Avenue) is enough, but together they might improve the chances a bit.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 11 14:01:28 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 10 21:56:58 2012.

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It's not just railfans anymore Jeff:

There are elected officials who would like to see it revived, and I suspect Genting and the Governor may very well want it, with Genting paying for some of the costs as part of building the convention center if that happens. This is much different than at any other time with the idea of this coming back as subway.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by J trainloco on Fri May 11 14:28:54 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 11 14:01:28 2012.

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Genting will not pay for any Rockaway ROW reactivation costs

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by randyo on Fri May 11 16:18:23 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 22:02:50 2012.

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The arrangements made with the MTA were likely a sublease rather than a direct lease which would have had to be done with the city. back in the early 1960s pre MTA, the original pre Bob Diamond Historic Railways museum negotiated with the NYCTA for sale of the old trolley ROW between Neptune Av and the old w 5 St trolley depot. The NYCTA gave the museum the OK but couldn't finalize the deal since the ROW and W 5 St depot were both owned by the City of NY and the city would have to finalize the deal. The "Donald's" father, Fred Trump made the city a better offer and got the ROW and associated property instead.

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Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line

Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri May 11 17:01:53 2012, in response to Re: Best Article I've Read on Reasons to Reactivate the Rockaway Beach Line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri May 11 05:35:27 2012.

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Whoever provided the google earth view of the ozone park platforms etc. Many Thanks!!!

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