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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 10:48:19 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 10:21:02 2008. Just so you know where I'm *personally* coming from, as I've expressed here from time to time ... I come from a family with a large number of ex-military and police. So I know EXACTLY how to deal with any such situations - rule number one - demonstrate by your actions that you are not a physical threat, then be reasonable and attentive and respectful - THEN assert your innocence once the priors have been satisfied. Cops unfortunately require some time to "measure you up" from a threat status, then determine that you're capable of being reasonable. Once all of THAT is established, your chances of asserting your rights are multiplied exponentially.Once your "threat status" becomes benign, you're more often greeted with "OK, do your thing and get out of here before they make me come back and waste my time again." At NO time do you need to surrender your rights if they're lawful ... but COMMUNICATION is everything and as we all know, cops ARE given "discretion." At the end of the course you're currently engaged in, it would probably be helpful in the final "recommendations to subway photographers" that something along these lines in keeping with CLU's policies become part of the "final advice" which will eventually be issued. Sadly, there's a lot of small minds out there who are ready to sue everybody first and ask questions later and wonder why they got hosed, beaten and sent home after being laughed out of court. Legal advice is a wonderful thing and I have faith in you guys getting the DEFINITIVE document as an end result. However I'd also suggest "don't be stupid." As the Black Panthers once said, "KNOW the law, KNOW yourself." :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 10:49:47 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 10:45:30 2008. Well, I can't believe you need this spoon fed to you, but first, he IS stupid, as evidenced by his post. If it's true, it's not an unwarranted personal attack (though it could still be in very poor taste, hence the second condition - read on...). Second, and most importantly, he has resorted to name calling in every single post. Look carefully. That's an unwarranted personal attack in every post. |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 10:51:18 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 02:38:27 2008. TimI am very pleased to see that the NYCLU is involved in this issue. As a photographer of both rail and non-rail subjects I cc'd the NYCLU on letters I had sent to MOFTB concerning the proposed regulations and was pleasantly surprised when I received a personalized response rather than a form letter. That reminds me - I have to check the expiration date on my membership card and make sure I renew ;-) I actually joined because of the photography issue. I feel that I may not agree with everything but you are the only hope for protecting the freedoms we have. What is adding to the confusion with respect to Grand Central Terminal is the contradictory information we are receiving from the MTA. Someone sent an email to the MTA requesting clarification and received the following response: Many things changed within our mass transit system as a result of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on our country. Regarding photography, photographic images of the interior of the terminal are permitted in the confines of the main terminal area as they have always been. You may use your camera, or a hand-held camcorder to take as many images as you wish although you must get a permit from Metro-North Corporate Relations if you intend to use a tripod. This apparently contradicts the understanding we had based on the following correspondence:    Although the letters originating from the MTA and the NYCLU address the LIRR - the memo issued to the MTAPD INCLUDES Metro North. On one hand they are assuring the NYCLU that no permits are necessary anywhere for amateur photography and on the other hand insisting on permits for Grand Central. Furthermore I have not seen any signs prohibiting photography - people find out about the "rules" after the fact when they are confronted or detained. Then comes this email in response to an amateur photographer (who happened to be an attorney):  |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 10:53:30 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 10:49:47 2008. You are an asshole. This is not an unwarranted attack. It is your name |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 11:00:47 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 22 08:42:16 2008. Sticking together will not happen. I offered a challenge to go with a smart aleck here and see what happens. He instead calls everyone stupid and declined the train yesterday |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:04:41 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 10:18:57 2008. Face it, Flounder ... you talk the talk, but won't walk the walk. For all of your advice and dictums, when it comes down to it you will *NOT* back up other photogs in their crises NOR will you stand your ground. "Riverdale, NY" went out of their way to disassociate themselves with those evil territories "down below" ... I'm a REAL Bronx boy, born and raised. Simply, you're a PUSSY if you tell other people to respond in certain ways, but you're not willing to get out there and stand ground to PROVE your alleged "manhood" yourself. "woof tickets for sale at the ATM" is all you've proven ... and to YOUR OWN. So call me stupid, you've already proven to be a PUSSY. :)--- REQUIRED SUBCHAT DISCLAIMER: I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary, slippery when wet, opinions expressed herein are not necessarily the accepted opinions of the Twerp which may or may not constitute an unwarranted personal attack, void where prohibited in sectors R and N ... gravity sold separately. Opinions of the poster are provided on an "as-is basis" and any reproduction of these thoughts are prohibited without the express written consent of Major League Baseball and the makers of Ritalin. Denial of permission to enter the NYC subway system could result as a side-effect of this conversation, be governed accordingly. In the event of argument or flatulence, please consult your physician. That is all. :) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 11:05:48 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 11:00:47 2008. hmmmmm, I wonder who that could be.--- REQUIRED SUBCHAT DISCLAIMER: I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary, slippery when wet, opinions expressed herein are not necessarily the accepted opinions of the Twerp which may or may not constitute an unwarranted personal attack, void where prohibited in sectors R and N ... gravity sold separately. Opinions of the poster are provided on an "as-is basis" and any reproduction of these thoughts are prohibited without the express written consent of Major League Baseball and the makers of Ritalin. Denial of permission to enter the NYC subway system could result as a side-effect of this conversation, be governed accordingly. In the event of argument or flatulence, please consult your physician. That is all. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:06:46 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 10:53:30 2008. Now that is an insult to every sphincter muscle on the planet ... the only POLITICALLY CORRECT organ, I might add. :)--- REQUIRED SUBCHAT DISCLAIMER: I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary, slippery when wet, opinions expressed herein are not necessarily the accepted opinions of the Twerp which may or may not constitute an unwarranted personal attack, void where prohibited in sectors R and N ... gravity sold separately. Opinions of the poster are provided on an "as-is basis" and any reproduction of these thoughts are prohibited without the express written consent of Major League Baseball and the makers of Ritalin. Denial of permission to enter the NYC subway system could result as a side-effect of this conversation, be governed accordingly. In the event of argument or flatulence, please consult your physician. That is all. :) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 11:08:31 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:06:46 2008. OK, I guess it is better to be an asshole than the whole ass. Either way, we get the drift. Damn I didn't realize how close he lives. I need to get some asshole repellant |
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Posted by railbus63 on Fri Feb 22 11:14:00 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 18:25:54 2008. Based on his description of events, Nilet absolutely escalated this before the camcorder incident occurred. He should have politely explained to the MNCR employees that he believed photography to be legally allowed. If they still insisted on stopping him, he should have then asked to speak with a police officer or management official. If those officials still insisted that he is not allowed to engage in photography, then he should have turned the camera off and left the premises and contacted the appropriate MTA and MNCR officials after the fact to address the issue.I wish Nilet would post his video of the incident for all to see, because I suspect that we would all have a much better understanding of why he keeps getting into trouble with the police. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:16:39 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 10:24:24 2008. I actually copyrighted it prior to posting it as you've posted. And SPECIFICALLY prohibited "derivative works" in my filing. It might PLEASE you to know what I expected, and I now have the "party known as Terrapin Station a/k/a Terrapin Station" *CAUGHT* in violation of the pre-filed affidavit electronically with the Library of Congress!So ... once this is over with, wanna come party in my RIVERDALE digs? You can trash the place if ya wanna! :) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 11:17:51 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:16:39 2008. Riverdale makes me nauseous. |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 11:19:50 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 10:51:18 2008. To finish my thought:So you can see that the MTA is sending mixed signals (no pun intended) to amateur photographers. It should be noted that in Nilet's case they did not cite him for "photography without a permit" but rather trespassing. I am not an attorney but I would presume that since the "rules" are arbitrary and not supported by any legislation they could not serve as the basis for an arrest or summons. OTOH if he was in fact on a platform not otherwise open to the public then he would be trespassing. Then the question is - were there signs posted that said "No access beyond this point" or something to that effect or are we supposed to be mind readers? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 11:19:57 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 10:51:18 2008. The area past the track entrance and on the platforms is restricted by the railroad and by security mandate. In that area, you must request access in advance and be escorted by a designated member of the Metro-North Corporate Media Relations staff. You may call the Corporate Media Relations Department at 212-672-1204 to request permission and obtain permits.1. Notice that they never explicitly use the word "photograph" in that paragraph. 2. Based on the above, my guess is they are again (just like Bee Line's source, RPanse's official at the GCT tour, and the staff at the ACMU trip) referring to the posted signs near some of the entrances to the platform area that say access is restricted to holders of valid tickets, or something like that. So it is an access restriction, not a photography restriction. And thus, assuming those posted signs are "legal" (though stupid), IMHO, in order to take photos on the platforms other than when detraining or walking to a train you intend to ride, you need to play a defensible "game" of carrying a ticket with you, and if stopped, say you are on your way to a train, or if on a platform with a train that is loading, say you plan to buy your ticket on board, and maybe even be prepared to carry through with it if the issue gets forced. There are other things you could also say, which would hopefully just get you told to move along to your destination. But I agree, that the second paragraph of that communication should be much more clear about what the rules/regulations are. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:24:40 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 10:26:24 2008. You are now in infringement of a copyrighted work by REpublishing my disclaimer without permission. I need a mailing address in order to have the complaint mailed to you by registered mail ... congrats! I *knew* you would! :)Seriously ... I require a physical mailing address ... or we'll have to add expenses of hiring a private investigation company to determine same which will only add to the damages. For now, all you're in for is a simple "cease and desist" order and email nor public posting does not satisfy the law. Failure to comply with this request can result in your arrest for obstruction of federal law. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:27:02 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 11:08:31 2008. Pity you live in the city ... out HEAH, we're allowed to get our GUN if somebody damages OUR poultry. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:28:45 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by railbus63 on Fri Feb 22 11:14:00 2008. Sadly, his BIGGEST problem was listening to the LIARS and KNOW-IT-ALLs here who gave him really really BAD advice in how to handle the situation in the first place. But curiously, those with the BIGGEST mouths are absent when he really NEEDED them. :( |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:31:21 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 11:19:57 2008. 1. Notice that they never explicitly use the word "photograph" in that paragraph. True, but if you're not allowed to be there, you're not allowed to photograph the area, since you have to be there to click the pic. The restriction on you being there is a defacto ban on photography. Of course, the cops Nilet had issues with during this incident did not specifically state this, they continue to act as if it's the photography that's at issue. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:32:04 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 11:17:51 2008. I remember Johnson Avenue when it was mostly TREES. :(Riverdale was once a RAILROAD TOWN ... until the hi-rises and condoms went up. :( In Riverdale, there was once "FIELDSTON" which was where the mansions were - overlooking Manhattan College ... REST of the area was a few big apartment houses built in the late 30's (my OWN building, 3656 Johnson was one of those) and the "Co-op" which went up a few years later on the circle from 238th around the block from Johnson to the monument and back down Riverdale Ave ... but the REST was pretty much all cottages and single family homes. It was actully pretty KEWL in the 50's ... NOW? Ptoo. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:34:29 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 11:19:57 2008. Wow! You did LAW school too?!?! I'm IMPRESSED!--- REQUIRED SUBCHAT DISCLAIMER: I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary, slippery when wet, opinions expressed herein are not necessarily the accepted opinions of the Twerp which may or may not constitute an unwarranted personal attack, void where prohibited in sectors R and N ... gravity sold separately. Opinions of the poster are provided on an "as-is basis" and any reproduction of these thoughts are prohibited without the express written consent of Major League Baseball and the makers of Ritalin. Denial of permission to enter the NYC subway system could result as a side-effect of this conversation, be governed accordingly. In the event of argument or flatulence, please consult your physician. That is all. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:34:41 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 11:19:50 2008. There's signage at Penn and GCT which states you must be a ticketed passanger to be on the platform level. This is true of many other major area railroad stations, like Newark Penn. And NJT enforces no loitering regulations on the platforms at the two Atlantic City line terminals. You're not even allowed outside the waiting area in Atlantic City until 5 minutes before the train is set to depart, and this is STRICTLY enforced. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:37:11 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:34:29 2008. I've spent 18 years at the Dick Wolf Law Acadamy, which probably qualifies me to take the Bar exam. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 11:37:27 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 10:53:30 2008. No, but you are stupid. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 11:38:05 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 11:37:27 2008. UNWARRANTED PERSONAL ATTACK |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:44:52 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:37:11 2008. YOU, I have some respect for ... Law and Odor school, eh? Got Turpentine beat then for qualifications. Add "UhMerican Idol" and some Brittney, and you just got elected! Heh.--- REQUIRED SUBCHAT DISCLAIMER: I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary, slippery when wet, opinions expressed herein are not necessarily the accepted opinions of the Twerp which may or may not constitute an unwarranted personal attack, void where prohibited in sectors R and N ... gravity sold separately. Opinions of the poster are provided on an "as-is basis" and any reproduction of these thoughts are prohibited without the express written consent of Major League Baseball and the makers of Ritalin. Denial of permission to enter the NYC subway system could result as a side-effect of this conversation, be governed accordingly. In the event of argument or flatulence, please consult your physician. That is all. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:46:16 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:34:41 2008. Rule applies at RENSSELAER as well ... ah well ... Twerp is ALWAYS right, and everybody else is ALWAYS false ... j00 lawyer, who can argue? :) |
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Posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 11:48:04 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:34:41 2008. These are good points, but let's be sure we're not conflating the issues here. Even if we assume that the trespassing charge itself is valid (I don't know enough about the applicable rules to determine whether it was at this point), it still doesn't excuse the police taking the battery and memory card from the camera. Even if Nilet was wrong in being there in the first place, there's still a possibility that there was also wrongdoing on the part of the police.Again, not official legal advice or an official statement of the NYCLU. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 11:50:05 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:28:45 2008. Yes. Sad but true. But would you want that mouth representing you. He might have had it somewhere else real dirty |
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Posted by Clayton on Fri Feb 22 11:56:15 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 00:11:32 2008. brian weinberg types in lowercase letters when he knows he's been made a fool of. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:56:37 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:44:52 2008. I also attended the LA Law School, but all that did was teach me how to steal clients away from my partners. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:58:41 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 11:48:04 2008. You are correct. Destruction of photographic media was way, WAY out of bounds. You sound like a smart law student. Just don't get too involved with the NYCLU. They're evil. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 12:01:38 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:46:16 2008. They're pretty strict about it at New Haven, which is why I can't spend the down time waiting for the next MN train to the city taking pictures over on the Amtrak platform. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 22 12:08:57 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:46:16 2008. I have some great photos from over at Rensselaer from the early 90's when I used to take the Adirondack Amtrak train up to Whitehall to go to Vermont when a friend was up in school there. The train used to have a longer layover at Rensselaer where they used to take the F40-PH off the train, and change it to an FL9 for it's trip to Penn Station. They used to allow you to get off the train there to stretch, etc, so I used to get some photos there.The early 90's were nice....no one ever bothered you... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:09:36 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 11:50:05 2008. Heh. Advice from subchat? From Junior photog-lawyer who won't show UP to assist his compadres in capturing GCT photos and defending them in court with all his intarweb paperwork? =)TALK about a REAL "railfanning" trip! But HE won't be there. Pussy. :( --- REQUIRED SUBCHAT DISCLAIMER: I could be wrong. Your mileage may vary, slippery when wet, opinions expressed herein are not necessarily the accepted opinions of the Twerp which may or may not constitute an unwarranted personal attack, void where prohibited in sectors R and N ... gravity sold separately. Opinions of the poster are provided on an "as-is basis" and any reproduction of these thoughts are prohibited without the express written consent of Major League Baseball and the makers of Ritalin. Denial of permission to enter the NYC subway system could result as a side-effect of this conversation, be governed accordingly. In the event of argument or flatulence, please consult your physician. That is all. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:10:39 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:56:37 2008. Heh. Now THAT is practical experience! :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:15:13 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by railbus63 on Fri Feb 22 11:14:00 2008. I agree that there are good and bad ways to approach it. But from what he has revealed, it seems the police definitively escalated it by demanding the camcorder be turned off, and then grabbing the battery. As far as what Nilet did or didn't do, we don't know that exactly. He could have not escalated it at all or could have escalated it by certain words or actions. We would just be guessing. Similarly, you don't know how he spoke to the MNCR employee. He was only giving a summary, not a quote, AFAIK. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:16:01 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 22 12:08:57 2008. If you HAVE a ticket, no problemo ... they've gotten a bit stranger about it the last year or so. *****BUT***** if you go and hook up with the sheriffs and military BEFORE you wanna take pics, and show ID ... NO PROBLEMO! I've had the same experience even with CSX ... if you're WILLING to call them ahead of time, give them your info and tell them what you wanna do, not ONLY will they let you take pictures, they'll actually MEET you and drive you around to even BETTER shots than you'd EVER get trespassing ... even locomotive CONSOLE pix ... INSIDE the cab!AMAZING things are possible if you're not a butthole, and make the effort to take the edge off as to your "intentions" ahead of time. Finest time I ever had was when Unca Ed (wrote the book, "They Moved Millions") came to visit in Selkirk and we went out into the Selkirk yard with impunity ... and an escort who actually ENJOYED the old "war stories." And then you've got wiseasses who keep getting busted. Contrast and compare. Must be the water. :-\ |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 22 12:18:49 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 12:01:38 2008. But you can photograph all you want from the MN platforms.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:19:09 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:31:21 2008. Yes, I know, and I agree 100%. However the photos were still legally taken, even if you were in fact trespassing, and they have no right to take or delete them, unless I guess the police want to take them and enter them as evidence, if such a thing is normally done or permitted in relation to a summons (for trespassing). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:19:50 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:34:29 2008. You're an idiot. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 22 12:23:02 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 22 08:42:16 2008. Heh, heh, heh, like I said it will never happen... no... I do understand that decking anyone is not the thing to do, I have several police officers some state police and a few sheriff officers have mentioned that several people who have slugged a cop are well...... f*%#ed for life with a life long record to boot. the thing is to have someone with you if going to known places where these things have occurred just check past posts that have these things to get the locations. and get a complaint into the media with evidence via a video record, and not only one person but have several people call them, I'm sure there will be a reporter dispatched, local news people are like sharks if there's a story they like having a feeding frenzy, but again stick together it's not that hard really. Karl M |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:25:48 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 11:34:41 2008. There's signage at Penn and GCT which states you must be a ticketed passanger to be on the platform level. This is true of many other major area railroad stations, like Newark Penn.For the commuter trains at GCT and NY Penn and Newark Penn, you can buy your ticket onboard. So the signage is pretty meaningless in that regard. And I haven't seen the signage you mention at both of the Penns, and at least at Newark Penn it's not enforced, in my experience. |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued) |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Feb 22 12:27:48 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 22 12:01:38 2008. Look at the amtrak schedule for a long connection from a springfield shuttle-- They wouldnt give you trouble in such a time. |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 22 12:30:23 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:16:01 2008. Speaking of "cab rides". I remember once, also in the early 90's, a friend and I were up by FREMONT junction over by the Fresh Pond LIRR yard, where that bridge for the NY COnnecting RR crosses over the LIRR Montauk Branch (by the M Train).The Conrail crew came up from somewhere along the Bay Ridge line, and usually stopped at Fremont to pick up their train from the LIRR interchange there. They had 3 B23-7's, and they stopped were we were taking photos (it wasn't "strange" back then). They asked us if we wanted to see the inside of the engines, and we said yes, so they took us in and showed us everything. Then they said, would you like to ride up to Oak Point? We said, sure... So they took us from glendale, over the Hell Gate Bridge to the Bronx. I still remember it to this day, it was such a cool ride. Of course, then we had to find our way home from the Bronx, but it was well worth it..... We often used to hang out on that bridge too....even bringing lunch from the Burger king over at Metro-Mall by the M's Metropolitan stop. Sit on the bridge, and watch the LIRR trains go by underneath. The LIRR engineers would even wave and toot the horn as they went by under us..... Imagine that today. It's not "that long ago..... |
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Re: WD signals/ NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Feb 22 12:32:08 2008, in response to Re: WD signals/ NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Feb 22 03:24:48 2008. I am not saying that it is right to use flash-- It isnt.I AM saying that it is LEGAL to use flash. |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 12:37:15 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 11:48:04 2008. It is apparent that the MTA is trying hard to avoid making this an issue about photography per-se.It appears to be clear by the rules that a photographer cannot enter the platform area without a permit solely to take a picture - the open question is whether or not a photographer can take a picture if he is in the process of boarding or leaving a train, thereby placing him on the platform legally. |
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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:37:58 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 11:04:41 2008. I don't know what you're talking about, but it sounds pretty stupid. Maybe you want to stop being stupid if you want serious answers/discussion. Oh right, you're just here for entertainment. I remember now. |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:38:30 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:19:09 2008. So you and Nilet are going out 'fanning WHEN? :) |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:40:55 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:19:50 2008. Heh. Makes me PROUD! With batezim as lacking as yours in backing UP all your spouting by ASSISTING in RESISTING, you're a liar bro ... why not take some pics at GCT tonight with Nilet and PROVE to us that you've got some balls?Or tomorrow ... just realized ... but no ... you *HAVE* no balls, you pussy. You can't be BOTHERED whipping out your camera FOR AMERICA! :) |
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Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 12:41:48 2008, in response to Re: MTA Contradictory Communication! (continued), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 12:25:48 2008. PICS? :) |
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