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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 27 10:59:24 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 27 08:25:38 2015. What tourist traps?The aforementioned pubs, among others. WTF? NYC has thousands of interesting restaurants and you'd bring your own food because you think it's a tourist trap? I'm only concerned about the ones around the High Line in case I get hungry and/or thirsty while I'm there. Anyplace else, no big deal. McDonalds!?!!? I really hope you're joking. Unless maybe you think that the pretty young European damsels in loose fitting non-conservative attire congregate at McDonalds... I could not have cared less where the pretty young European damsels congregate, unless it means they'll be in my way. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 27 12:37:20 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by 3-9 on Mon Apr 27 10:59:24 2015. The aforementioned pubs, among others.I think there's a misunderstadning there. I don't think the high prices are due to a tourist trap. I think the high prices are just the market-correct prices for the area/Manhattan/NYC. I'm only concerned about the ones around the High Line in case I get hungry and/or thirsty while I'm there. Anyplace else, no big deal.I'm sure there are many interesting restaurants near the High Line. And any other interesting restaurant is just a short bus or subway ride away. The High Line isn't that long that you can't walk it wholly between meals that you eat elsewhere in Manhattan. I could not have cared less where the pretty young European damsels congregate, unless it means they'll be in my way.Well then. My mistake and my apologies. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 27 12:41:45 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 27 12:37:20 2015. Prices in North Dakota are much higher, even McDonalds et al...Because you cannot get help for less than $15.00 / hour. Ewe want a Min-Wage and you WILL get higher prices. ROAR |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 27 12:47:37 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 27 12:41:45 2015. So you agree with me. No thanks. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 27 12:50:48 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 27 12:41:45 2015. Wages are almost irrelevant to prices in Manhattan restaurants, even McD. The vast majority of operating cost is for rent. $10/square foot per month is normal nowadays. It goes up from there.Note: demand holds down prices too, of course. If not for the reluctance of people to pay an absolute fortune for each meal, landlords would charge even more rent and resaurant owners would charge even more for meals. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 27 13:02:52 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 27 12:50:48 2015. Where have all of the Irish Bars and sandwich places have gone?Greedy Landlords! ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 27 13:14:27 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 27 13:02:52 2015. Landlords tend to charge what the market will bear. In Manhattan, that's a lot nowadays. Makes Williston look cheap. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 27 13:16:48 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 27 13:14:27 2015. Yes, it's not about greed at all. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 27 14:10:09 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 27 13:16:48 2015. I wouldn't go that far. :) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 27 15:07:17 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 27 13:02:52 2015. Just the normal operation of capitalism. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Apr 27 15:53:04 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 26 18:45:36 2015. I was just "chastised" by a box truck driver waiting at a red light on a CitiBike at the FDR & 34th, waiting to turn right from 34th onto the bike path. (You have to cross two way traffic, a ramp to the FDR South and the "service road" heading south. He thought I shouldn't be crossing there because of a sign that pointed pedestrians to the other side of 34th St, where the crosswalk was!--Mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Apr 27 15:56:31 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by randyo on Sun Apr 26 18:14:18 2015. My personal observation is it's the food delivery bicyclists who are predominately heading the wrong way up one way streets in the bike lane. That said, ever ride the 8th Ave bike lane by the Port Authority Bus Terminal to about 46th Street during the afternoon rush hour? It's a pedestrian free-for all. Even the cops double-park their cars in the bike lane between 42nd & 43rd. How do you expect John & Jane Q. Public to respect the bike lane law when Fred Q. Officer doesn't even do it?--Mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Apr 27 16:02:06 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sun Apr 26 07:56:01 2015. I would and I have ... from my office to Penn Station, especially if I am in a hurry, because I make the best time that way. From my office, the subway is not a realistic option (too close, really) and it beats walking or a cab.--Mark |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 27 16:03:11 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Apr 27 15:56:31 2015. Cops in SF park in bike lanes, and years ago when Berkeley painted bike lanes on a pair of one way residential streets, the "entitled" residents parked in them with no ticketing by Berkeley's finest. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Apr 27 16:04:41 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 26 08:26:43 2015. Boston has indoor bike cages at the Alewife Station where commuters can lock their bikes. See this press release from September 2008 for the details.--Mark |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 27 16:14:25 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 26 08:26:43 2015. I do not agree. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 27 16:14:54 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Apr 26 17:22:06 2015. Exactly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 27 16:15:19 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 26 17:14:18 2015. Now. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 27 18:29:30 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Apr 27 16:04:41 2015. Boston has indoor bike cages at the Alewife Station where commuters can lock their bikes.Where only a tiny minority of commuters will lock their bikes. American cities and suburbs should not use Mao's China as an economic model. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 27 18:55:01 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 27 18:29:30 2015. You don't have to emulate Mao's China to ride a bike. For many years, I biked to the supermarket if not walking to the closer one, often biked to jobsite after most of the tools and parts were there for a long project, or to BART to take on the far end for further travel. None of this was ideological; it was both convenient and pleasant. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 27 19:27:22 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 27 18:55:01 2015. Bay Area weather and NYC seasonal weather are very different.It's not eternal April here. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 27 19:37:55 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 27 19:27:22 2015. Nope, I lived in the East Village Feb 66 to June 70. There was bitter cold winter 69 IIRC almost as evil as Chicago winters which I have also experienced. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Apr 28 12:47:21 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 27 19:37:55 2015. I thought the winter of 1966-'67 was actually colder (with only 1977 and 2003 being considered colder than that) and 1967 also being both the coldest spring on record and coldest winter-spring combined on record. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 28 13:34:00 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Apr 28 12:47:21 2015. My memory may be playing tricks. I remember a cold snap in a December when temps were down to maybe 9F. From my memory of which apt I was in I think 68. In Jan 67 I went back to Chicago just in time for the major blizzard--NYC block signasls dead from Cincy to Kankakee, in Chicago no buses, marginal L and IC Electric. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 28 15:00:24 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 27 12:37:20 2015. I think there's a misunderstadning there. I don't think the high prices are due to a tourist trap. I think the high prices are just the market-correct prices for the area/Manhattan/NYC.Considering that high prices are mainly due to the popularity of the High Line and the people visiting it, yeah, I consider it a tourist trap. I'm sure there are many interesting restaurants near the High Line. And any other interesting restaurant is just a short bus or subway ride away. The High Line isn't that long that you can't walk it wholly between meals that you eat elsewhere in Manhattan. I'm sure there are, near the High Line. I just don't want to pay their higher prices. I'm only pointing out there are alternatives to eating/drinking at the establishments near the High Line, up to and including bringing a little of my own stuff. It doesn't have to be a meal. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 29 10:53:49 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 28 15:00:24 2015. A lot of rents in Chelsea, such as along 8th Avenue, are going up 50% or more, forcing them to move elsewhere, like Hells Kitchen, or go out of business. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 29 17:24:33 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 29 10:53:49 2015. Wasn't Chelsea already a hot neighborhood? Even Hell's Kitchen is hot (no pun intended :-)), so I don't think there's much relief there. Gawd, it's warping the neighborhoods, and not in a good way. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Apr 29 19:14:49 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 29 10:53:49 2015. I thought Hell Kitchen was supposed to be re named "Clinton" for the sake of real estate interests??That caught on like "Avenue of the Americas" I suppose |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 29 23:40:45 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Apr 29 19:14:49 2015. Clinton is used officially and by realtors. News outlets and newer residents have revived the cooler name Hell's Kitchen. Funnily, the local newspaper is called the Chelsea-Clinton News. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 29 23:49:37 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 29 23:40:45 2015. Now THERE'S a DMCA trial ready to file! :) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 30 01:23:21 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Apr 23 15:48:14 2015. Why don't you ask LIRR themselves rather than just making the assumption. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 30 01:33:05 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 23 18:47:02 2015. What does a tunnel under the area have anything to do with extending S4th? I know S4th doesn't run the whole way down, but why does it have to just to built a subway underneath where it would theoretically run? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 30 01:40:55 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 16:54:31 2015. There are tail tracks on Houston St connecting to the local tracks on 6th Av, but I don't know if 6th Av local can handle additional traffic. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 30 01:43:19 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 23 19:30:43 2015. Thank you for that info! I never knew that Houston St originally had access to the 6th Av express tracks. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 30 01:59:50 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 25 14:38:52 2015. The problem with extending the IRT down Utica is that it doesn't provide full north-south travel in Brooklyn which is also greatly needed |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 30 02:05:14 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 25 10:28:17 2015. Agreed 100%. That's why I proposed an LIRR service, funded by the city, that provides 20min headways at all city zone stations (except Far Rockaway, Douglaston, and Little Neck) (30 min headways during late nights) that would charge a fare comparable to the existing express bus fare and allows free transfers to the subway/bus. You could also charge $3.50 for service between intermediate points (those not going to NYP/GCT/FBA) |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 30 15:22:23 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 30 01:33:05 2015. Since the S 4 St station shell is above the G Line it was likely done by cut and cover and as such is too close to the surface to be able to be extended east without disturbing the houses in the way. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 30 15:27:22 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 30 01:40:55 2015. The tail tracks on Houston east of 2 Av Ave are connected to what were the EXPRESS tracks of the Houston St Line before they were severed and connected to Chrystie. However, your point is well taken since they can now only be accessed from the local tracks on 6 Av and that would impact on the capacity of those tracks. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 30 15:28:37 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 30 01:43:19 2015. The exp tks that now go to Chrystie originally connected straight through to the middle tracks at 2 Ave. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 30 15:34:35 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 30 01:59:50 2015. Good point, but it’s probably the best option IF it eventually comes into fruition since it would be a miracle if even that portion gets built. Remember that it would be a massive undertaking to build the full Utica/Stuyvesant subway and connect it to S 4 St which would be probably the only logical route. And has been mentioned in other posts, with the disconnecting of the Houston St express tracks for a potential S 4 St line there is really no practical place for such a route to go. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 1 11:02:30 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 30 15:28:37 2015. Well now anything coming under the river into Houston St will have to be routed up 2nd Av. I'd leave the M as is. SAS between 63rd St and Houston would have to be 4 tracks if there's any hope of expanding the subway network where needed (Utica Av, Rockaway, eastern Queens). My idea being that SAS is comprised of:T running Bronx, SAS, Fulton St local Q running 125th St crosstown, SAS to 63rd St, Broadway, Brighton U running Utica, S4th, SAS to 63rd St, Queens Super Express, Rockaway X running Eastern Queens, Queens Super Express (via Lower Montauk and Bushwick branch), S4th, SAS from Houston to 63rd St, and then back out to eastern Queens somewhere |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 1 11:04:00 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 30 15:34:35 2015. Yes, SAS would have to be completed to at least Houston St to make a full length Utica subway work, no doubt about that. Either that or evict the M, which I don't support |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 1 11:05:02 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 30 15:22:23 2015. Understood....let's wait to see what the engineers say if the project ever moves forward |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 1 11:54:09 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 23 23:25:32 2015. Honestly, where the hell was a train line going to go from there? Hudson line is too far down, and getting to the Harlem line would have been a monumental task. Sorry, but I see express buses as being the proper solution there with an HOV lane the length of 684. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri May 1 11:54:53 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Apr 27 15:56:31 2015. your example is in one of the busiest areas of the city. even bicyclists cannot ignore the reality of that. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 1 12:17:41 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 27 18:29:30 2015. So bikes are for the poor, less developed countries, that's how we see it? The change isn't going to happen overnight, but little by little, bikes will become part of the main stream. Other cities have acknowledged this, such as Copenhagen, where it is also not eternal April |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 1 12:21:02 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 1 12:17:41 2015. If it's good enough for Amsterdam, it's good enough for New Amsterdam! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 1 13:11:24 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 1 12:21:02 2015. +1 |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri May 1 13:58:58 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 1 12:17:41 2015. So bikes are for the poor, less developed countries, that's how we see it?It's weird to note that in the premier cities of the Occidental world, New York is the one where biking is considered weird and strange. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 1 16:33:19 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 1 11:54:09 2015. So for freight to either NYC or all of New England,. Albany is far enough south to cross the Hudson? We lost the Poughkeepsie Bridge during a period of massive RR route shrinkage. As for passenger service, seems to me adding options/capacity for west of Hudson residents is not a bad idea. |
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