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Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 14:16:50 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 13:54:16 2013. NJT must still be holding the trackage rights if they were talking restoration of service back in the 90s/00s. The big problem is the flyover demand more than the high platforms, most likely. (Much of the RDG through those areas still has room for four tracks.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 14:19:31 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 13:49:45 2013. Would've been absurd to think of NJT sending all of their trains to GCT. And during the time that it was a serious consideration, NJT wasn't really thinking MLV but instead was more serious about Arrow IVs; the whole MLV mess came along with Warrington (one of his biggest blunders since the Comet V). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 12 14:21:52 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sat May 11 18:37:54 2013. There's always the Washington Secondary option. Washington has a population which exceeds that of Hampton, Bloomsbury and Glen Gardner combined. There would be no shared trackage issues (if running to Hoboken) and a peak service train could make up time by running nonstop along the Boonton line. (kind of like a West Jersey version of the Port Jervis thru express) |
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Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 14:27:24 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 14:13:27 2013. Hunterdon County Parks Dept had a van tour last Sunday of northern Hunterdon passenger stations. I went on it.Glen Gardner, which is a wide spot on the road today, used to be a resort area. People went there by train and stayed in a hotel for a week. A CNJ President used to live there. The station is gone. The site is in accessible and privately owned. We could not get in. In Hampton, some of the ballast is washed out and the track suspended in mid-air. The Route 31 overpass is being replaced. The High Bridge Branch is a walking trail. Hard to believe it was thriving in the early 1970's with 20 freights a day. Thanks to Vietnam, bombs were made in High Bridge and transported to an arsenal in Morris County. LV station in Bloomsbury is still there, now a local business. Might be a good place to take picture of NS's passengers excursion in late August. CNJ station is gone. Part of the CNJ west of I-78 is still in service. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 14:30:55 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 14:19:31 2013. The Comet V is no master piece either. Jiggling, rattling, cabinet doors popping open. I once got my finger caught in the outside latch to the bathroom door. Quite painful. I hate those cars.MLV is physically and mechanically more sound, however heavy. But they have a propensity to derail on certain types of curves. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 14:37:59 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 12 14:21:52 2013. There was an exhaustive study done of all this a few years ago. I have the CD. Washington Secondary was even less justifiable.When western drivers on I-78 Jersey hit I-287, half goes north half goes south, about 8% each. And most of them work along I-287 in office parks. No critical mass to justify rail service on the Washington Secondary. It also has zero sidings for the entire length. Washington has no public transit, and its population is not like P-Burg. Hampton, Bloomsbury and Glen Gardner are just wide spots on the road. They drive and create a linear parking lot down Route 31 toward Clinton and do whatever: get on Trans Bridge, or more likely, drive to their office park. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 12 14:43:17 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 14:37:59 2013. The idea of extending train service is to get people off the buses. The buses prove there's demand for mass transit. I prefer the RVL option because it more directly parallels 78. Let the bus companies concentrate on the demand from Easton and Bethlehem. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 15:11:48 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 12 14:43:17 2013. Yeh but there is not enough west of High Bridge up to P-Burg to justify it. It is very low density. Small, commercially dead towns, the biggest thing around is the Bloomsbury Truck Stop at Exit 12.RVL at High Bridge and Annandale have 72 and 82 loadings per day. Clinton Park & Ride has 300. Annandale lot for Jersey City and lower Manhattan's 5 buses are even more. People overwhelmingly choose the bus over the train in the Clinton area. You can't tell an unsubsidized, private carrier to stop serving it. I could see it if it became part of an inter-city service that ran to Reading and Harrisburg. But then you are competing with Beiber Tourways. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 15:27:01 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 14:37:59 2013. Washington has double the population of Netcong, which is still a terminus for some M-B trains. Doesn't sound unviable if the last stop is Phillipsburg (double the population of Washington). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 15:30:12 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 15:11:48 2013. People overwhelmingly choose the bus over the train in the Clinton areaOnly due to greater bus frequency (17 buses in the AM on Trans-Bridge), which is actually less frequent than in the past since the 114 was substituted for the 884 shuttle bus. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 15:32:03 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by J Trainloco on Sun May 12 13:20:28 2013. People who like the ferry. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 15:32:56 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 15:30:12 2013. 114 loadings there were nil. That's why they made it the 884 Wheels, and now that is gone, replaced by Somerset County CAT buses up to Branchburg.The train is slow. That is why they pick the bus, even though it costs more. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 15:34:18 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 15:27:01 2013. I think Washington had an I-78 bus in the 1980's, then it died. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun May 12 18:54:20 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 11 20:25:36 2013. 99.9% of the time, if we try to throw somebody off, they refuse to budge and then the police have to be called. That, in turn, delays the train. And the company frowns upon delaying the train (especially in the rush hour) due to fare disputes. They want us to "give them the pickle", and they had all of us watch this video last year: |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 12 19:35:19 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 01:44:51 2013. True, but will it be more expensive than digging a tunnel? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 21:58:25 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 3-9 on Sun May 12 19:35:19 2013. Depends on the level of corruption surrounding the project. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 12 22:07:26 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 12 00:34:43 2013. I'm not so sure about that. There is activity in Lower Manhattan on the weekends, but it tends to be around touristy areas. Also, remember that the financial industry was entrenched in the area until recently, so that meant people would go there for work and not much else. OTOH, midtown became the long term residence of the shopping and theater districts, with landmarks like Times Square, Rockefeller Center, Macy's, etc., so it stands to reason it would get more activity on the weekends. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 12 22:46:47 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by J Trainloco on Sun May 12 13:20:28 2013. People who are heading into Lower Manhattan, if the route is at least as fast as other methods. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun May 12 22:49:12 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 01:43:30 2013. River LineThere was no pre-existing demand There, I beg to differ. When I worked the Northeast Corridor in 1998-2000, I frequently had riders asking me how to get from Trenton to Camden. Of course, back then they had to take SEPTA to Philly, and then either PATCO or a bus... |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 12 22:58:24 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 21:58:25 2013. That and the lawsuits from NIMBYs about noise and "dirty diesels". |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 13 00:53:48 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 01:55:40 2013. They were opposite downtown because when those terminals were built prior to the turn of the century Lower Manhattan was the undisputed CBD of the city. But just a few years later the subway and el greatly changed land use within Manhattan, allowing Midtown to overtake Lower Manhattan. That prompted the PRR to build their station along 34th rather than somewhere in Lower Manhattan. In fact the newer terminals along the Hudson, the NYC's Weehawken and NYSW's Edgewater terminals, were built across from Midtown Manhattan just as that area asserted itself.That trend toward Midtown has never reversed itself. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 04:20:35 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 01:43:30 2013. Studies were commissioned, demand was found to already exist. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 04:50:34 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 04:20:35 2013. No, that's not the case. It was a terrific gamble by politicians that wanted it.And to be frank, ridership was low during the early years of HBLR's operation, so low that the ridiculously high costs to build it would look even less justified than they already look. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 04:58:14 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun May 12 22:49:12 2013. That doesn't translate into pre-existing demand for the River Line per se. How many passengers asked how to get to Bordentown, Burlington, Riverton or Palmyra? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 05:02:45 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun May 12 18:54:20 2013. The more passengers become aware of this, the more they'll abuse the conductors and trainmen. This in turn could lead to a permanent on-board presence of police. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 06:38:41 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 3-9 on Sun May 12 22:07:26 2013. So then why is there no demand for the J to Broad Street on weekends ?The train is practially empty south of Canal. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 06:39:57 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 04:58:14 2013. The 409 did not carry many people between Trenton and Bordentown either, and still doesn't. In fact, I am surprised it still exists. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Mon May 13 07:02:49 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sat May 11 18:28:20 2013. Weren't NJT's rules too complicated? On MetroNorth and the LIRR you have to pay peak fare if you ride a peak train.I ride NJT in the evening occasionally. If I remember correctly I could buy an off-peak round trip ticket in New York and use it on an evening peak train to New Jersey but someone who bought an off-peak ticket in New Jersey could not use the return half on an evening peak train. |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Mon May 13 07:28:16 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun May 12 18:54:20 2013. LOL ! That was great ! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 07:29:25 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by B68 slow poke on Mon May 13 07:28:16 2013. Sure, if you like free pickles. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon May 13 09:20:58 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 06:38:41 2013. Touristy areas tend to be Broadway and west, Battery Park, and the east side. Plus, the J doesn't even go to Fulton, nor does it bring tourists from hotels or other locations, so it's no surprise nobody wants to ride it. The R, OTOH sees more usage in Lower Manhattan south of Canal. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon May 13 09:35:45 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun May 12 18:54:20 2013. The difference in ticket prices can mean some pretty expensive pickles. Interesting video though. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon May 13 12:38:07 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 05:02:45 2013. Luckily, most people are still honest and good, only a select few are the piece of shit passengers. When that reverses, we will have a problem... |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon May 13 12:50:55 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 07:29:25 2013. What the company doesn't understand is that you can't run a commuter railroad like a retail or restaurant business. If a customer is not 100% satisfied with their meal, it is usually a rare occurrence, and isolated to one customer. If you let someone ride the train for free or waive the on board penalty, there was no poor product or service to warrant that. And if a train turns out to be delayed, how can you let one or two people out of hundreds ride for free or for less than what the others paid? How many people walk into a McDonald's and ask for free food or a discount for the food? It's apples and oranges when comparing transit to restaurants/retail... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 13:09:46 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by merrick1 on Mon May 13 07:02:49 2013. That sounds like the conductor on that PM westbound simply accepted a wrong ticket. I did it once, accidentally, because I forgot the cutoff time for trains peak service was for trains arriving in NYC at 10 AM, not 9 AM. |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Mon May 13 13:55:22 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 3-9 on Sun May 12 22:46:47 2013. For starters, I'm not sure that it would be much faster than the current trip to Newark/transfer to PATH. The ferry ride itself is something like 25 minutes, nevermind average wait time. On top of that, the expense of rebuilding the SIR North Shore to accommodate RVL trains to divert east of Cranford is probably far too high for what would probably be too few people. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 14:10:20 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by J Trainloco on Mon May 13 13:55:22 2013. The North Shore branch is also severed while on the New Jersey mainland. 38% of the RVL goes to NYPS, 50% goes to NWK. How the 50% is divided between Newark city itself, WTC, JSQ, Exchange Place, and Chelsea, I don't know. But I would think just a minority are headed to lower Manhattan, so the majority would have to avoid St George trains, or transfer and wait at Cranford. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 15:09:23 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by J Trainloco on Mon May 13 13:55:22 2013. It would be easier and cheaper to simply double track the Waterfront Connector and route all RVL trains into Hoboken. This way, you get direct access to PATH and ferry service to Lower Manhattan. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 15:42:40 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 15:09:23 2013. Cheaper the way NJT does things? Heh. They want to build a flyover for that, according to the last plans—look towards the center of the map below. (This is the $100M-per-mile surface electric LRT agency, remember.)And for all that effort, it would have been cheaper by far to keep the CNJ main line as it was and just build a PATH extension to CRRNJ Terminal, ultimately. Sending the RVL to Hoboken on a permanent basis is just a reversal of one part of the Aldene Plan.  |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 15:43:34 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 15:09:23 2013. While a few RVL trains have a quick relay NWK (Harrison), I would like to see that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 15:45:49 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 14:10:20 2013. The North Shore branch is also severed while on the New Jersey mainlandTake a look at the satellite picture. It's still there, but it'd need a bit of refurbishment between Brunswick Avenue and the new connector to the Chemical Coast Line. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 15:48:06 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 15:43:34 2013. An added benefit is that, by making Newark a thru station, the transfer from PATH or to NJT trains to NYP is made easier (same platform). The Newark x-fer, as it is right now is a PITA. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 15:53:14 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 15:45:49 2013. Aren't you the one a couple of months ago that showed the track completely gone at a grade-crossing ? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 15:53:47 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon May 13 12:50:55 2013. I don't know how Caltrain trainmen do it. Since the advent of POP, they were disallowed from collecting cash fares; they can check tickets but that's it. Someone doesn't have a ticket, they have to appeal to the fare inspector lords, I think. Does NJT want to go that route?(BTW, off topic, but giving them the pickle in the restaurant biz can result in trouble like this . . .) |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 15:56:53 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 15:48:06 2013. Don't you like going downstairs for a snack at Zaro's Bakery ?Inbound, they use Track A too. Sending the train to HOB would not as a rule make them stop doing that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 16:18:02 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 15:53:14 2013. Which grade crossing?The only one I can think of is the former connector between the SIR and NEC going across Linden Avenue. That's certainly never going to be rebuilt. The rest of the SIR has been rebuilt, though. Union County "ran out of funds" to rebuild the Rahway Valley RR from Cranford to Summit, which was intended to allow the Morristown & Erie a connection between their home rails and the SIR. NIMBYs galore wrote into local newspapers claiming that the Rahway Valley would be host to those evil double-stack long freights of the kind that ply the Lehigh Line, too . . . |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon May 13 17:44:17 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by merrick1 on Mon May 13 07:02:49 2013. You got it all wrong. NJT's rules were basically the same as Metro North and the LIRR. You could not use an "off peak" ticket on a peak train if you were traveling to/from from New York, Secaucus, Newark Penn, or Hoboken (not sure about Newark Broad). If you were riding between intermediate stations (e.g. between Elizabeth and Metropark or between Westfield and Plainfield), then you could use an off peak ticket at any time. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 17:48:15 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon May 13 17:44:17 2013. Problem with NJT is that it was a round trip ticket. So if you traveled peak in one direction and off-peak in the other, you paid a step-up and got no discount at all. It also lead to altercations of trying to use a ticket in the wrong direction. NJT's ossified mgmt was opposed to one-way off-peaks as well. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 17:51:47 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 17:48:15 2013. I also got screwed over once due to NJT's charging different fares for using Secaucus Junction to get to Hoboken. I purchased an ORT between Hoboken and Bay Head, on the way back I assumed I'd be able to transfer at Secaucus and I got screwed when I trued to pass thru the turnstiles. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 13 17:56:09 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 17:51:47 2013. Sounds like you were joy riding and not trying to get from point A to point B in the quickest way.Was it really quicker to change in Secaucus than in Newark on your way back from Bay Head to Hoboken? If not, you were arguably going extra unneeded distance. |
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