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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 19 00:51:55 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jan 10 13:47:00 2020. It indeed added up to 30 minutes in some cases. The dwell times at those stops-especially Jamaica and Liberty Avenues is what caused it. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 19 01:16:54 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 18 11:57:58 2020. I think they want to truncate the Woodhaven SBS to Queens Center Mall because of the horrible traffic congestion on Broadway and Roosevelt Avenue which causes unreliable service on the Woodhaven/Cross Bay Blvd corridor. The ridership between Queens Center and Woodside is quite impressive. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 19 01:22:05 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 17 10:56:44 2020. People seem to forget that at 63rd Drive there's a shopping Mall as well as several other stores as well as a short walking distance to a large apartment complex called Lefrak City, among several other apartment dwellings. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 19 01:28:18 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 19 00:35:10 2020. Thanks. LOL. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 19 07:41:23 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 19 01:16:54 2020. They want to run buses. To them it's too bad passengers ride them, because all they do is slow them down and complain. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 19 08:24:58 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 19 00:36:48 2020. Is that really the way to run a line? Make people feel pressured to backtrack to a place where they can have hopes of getting a seat because if they don't they will definitively have to stand for miles on end? Pressure the company to make sure these standees exist during the non-stop segment in order to keep the line profitable? Bypass whole neighborhoods of people who don't (pre-2005) have reasonable alternatives for getting to the Rockaways within even double the time the Q53 could have brought them?I mean, yeah, if the B41 became entirely non-stop between Kings Highway and Downtown Brooklyn, and sliced its frequency in half or so, then I can totally see people packing in, maybe backtracking to Kings Plaza, and those that get a seat saying, "What a wonderful ride!" Never mind that people in East Flatbush may also want to go to Kings Plaza or Downtown. They can take the B49 to the B9, or they can walk over to the B46. Never mind the major intersections with potential riders and subway connections all around being bypassed along the way. Never mind that maybe some people would have preferred to get off at Nostrand for the 2/5 trains. People south of Kings Highway want to get Downtown. I just don't see what makes the Rockaway Park to Woodside route so special that it, and no other place in the city, warrants an intraborough multimile non-stop segment bypassing many willing patrons. Even the LIRR branch it replaced had intermediate stops, didn't it? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 19 08:36:13 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 19 08:24:58 2020. The Triboro Coach Q53 was something of an anomaly being an intrA-boro express, yet was not an official express route.The purpose for that franchise was to replace the LIRR branch. Yet the city said the hell with Parkside, figuring LIRR-Forest Hills and Glendale could serve it, and some other bus (QM10 was it ?) could handle Brooklyn Manor, though it was not far from LIRR-Woodhaven. Then when LIRR got rid of Woodhaven in the 1970's, that bus got a stay of execution to 2010, likely because people avoided the J train as it was a dangerous ride through Brooklyn in the 1970's and 1980's. Nonetheless, I think they over did it in the last decade with the Q53 with as any stops as it has. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 19 08:46:32 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 19 08:36:13 2020. The QM23 (the Brooklyn Manor bus) was down to one run I think in each direction before it got cut. Hard to comment on people's riding habits in general with that kind of service span.One thing to note is that the bus went to Midtown; the J/Z didn't (at least not directly). Did they really only invent this route in order to keep the Q53 nonstop? I thought the QM23 was run by GBL? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 08:58:50 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Snilcher on Sat Jan 18 21:17:04 2020. It is true in some areas like Jackson Heights. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 09:05:51 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. Latest News:Now they say there will be a second draft. Channel 11 Channel 5 From the Union |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 19 09:25:59 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 19 08:46:32 2020. I don't know who ran QM23. There were a lot of political and geographical issues with what private bus company got which franchise. Brooklyn Manor (at 99th or 100th Street equivalent) is 6 or 7 blocks to Woodhaven Blvd, so beyond the Q53's reach.They wanted to get RBB line people to midtown, which explains their indifference to Parkside (they could walk to Forest Hills or take the Q11 to the Queen Blvd subway as it was close enough), yet the LIRR at Woodhaven was for Wall Streeters, so they got them the QM23 at Brooklyn Manor. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 19 09:28:03 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 09:05:51 2020. "Buses are tripping over each other to drop people off at the subway."No shit. That's what buses do at bus terminals like at Jackson Hts subway complex. Duh. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 19 09:34:48 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 19 08:24:58 2020. One reason why it’s special to go from rockaway to Woodside is the fact that Rockaway has shitty transportation alternatives. They have been writing about it in The Wave for decades. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jan 19 09:58:24 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 09:05:51 2020. That was always the plan. The Bronx had thr first draft released in Spring 2019, and the final draft released in October 2019, and they will make adjustments after comments from the public hearing in February. It's just that the changes to the Queens plan may be more extensive than those to The Bronx plan. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jan 19 09:59:29 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 19 09:28:03 2020. Doesn't mean that can't be improved. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 19 10:01:54 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 09:05:51 2020. Give em Mark Henry!(he looks a little like Dwight Gooden from back in the day) |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Jan 19 10:54:06 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 19 09:28:03 2020. He's talking about Jamaica and Flushing, where you have redundant routes using the same road clogging the streets to drop people off at the subway. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Jan 19 11:13:10 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jan 19 08:24:58 2020. Bypass whole neighborhoods of people who don't (pre-2005) have reasonable alternatives for getting to the Rockaways within even double the time the Q53 could have brought them?They had 4 other bus lines that traveled the Woodhaven/Cross Bay Blvd Corridor-Q11, Q21, Q21A ,Q41. Just because Green Bus Lines didn't have their act together, why in the world would the Triboro passengers have to suffer. After the TA takeover and forcing the Q53 to make those extra stops-they realized they shot themselves in the foot by the mass overcrowding that resulted so they extended the Q21 to Queens Center but by then the damage was done. People would not ride the Q21. They still packed on the Q53 and the dwell times were so bad on the Q53 the eventually the Q21 would overtake it. As far as the Q53 being so crowded as a non-stop express, I was trying to make the point that the Q53 was well patronized in its original form-premium fare or not. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 12:01:07 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jan 19 09:58:24 2020. They said "next draft" not final draft. And Byford said it was very very very early in the process. Doesn't sound like final draft is next. But it wouldn't be the first time they lied. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 12:01:11 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jan 19 09:58:24 2020. They said "next draft" not final draft. And Byford said it was very very very early in the process. Doesn't sound like final draft is next. But it wouldn't be the first time they lied. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Sun Jan 19 18:55:48 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 08:58:50 2020. It is true in some areas like Jackson Heights.Yes, but many of the complaints are more about dumping at an inconvenient subway (like the Q49 quasi-replacement not going to 74th St. or the cutting back of the Q66) than dumping at the subway per se. I have to say, though, I'm glad to see they finally thought about providing some bus coverage to the 90th St / Elmhurst Ave. area. Elmhurst Ave. may have been made unsuitable for bus service in the intervening years, but I always thought there should have been a route on Elmhurst Ave. proceeding onto 37th Avenue in Corona to serve the shopping area there. But now that those are all one-way, it wouldn't work as well anymore... |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 19:30:15 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jan 18 14:55:09 2020. Initially, MaBSTOA employees who had spouse passes were given the choice between keeping the MaBSTOA only passes with the spouse privilege and Bus/Subway passes for the employee only/no spouse. Many chose the option with the spouse privilege because they lived in areas where they didn't need a subway pass. I believe that now the spouse privilege has been eliminated entirely. I have no knowledge of the pass setups that existed on the privates before they became part of MTA Bus so, like you I don’t know what might have been grandfathered in or eliminated. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 20:24:26 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 19:30:15 2020. I knew about the spouse privilege. Mr. RT would know about MTA Bus. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 01:33:37 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 20:24:26 2020. By the way, according to some old time subway employees I knew, the B of T (and possibly the early NYCTA) had spouse privileges but unlike the buses, where the operator can easily see each individual pass holder, some employee wives would flash their pass through the old slam gate, go through and pass out of sight of the station agent where they would hand their pass to a friend (or two) who would then go through the same gate allowing unauthorized people to use the pass privilege. Eventually, the agency got wise to it and revoked the privilege. Had the current system with Metrocard type photo IDs been in place at the time, such cheating would have been impossible and the spouse pass privilege might still be around as it is on LIRR and M/N. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Jan 20 03:55:25 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 17 13:25:20 2020. The only reason they were combined was because I constantly complained about the diesel fumes in ENY depot when I headed Bus Planning there and my boss was afraid of a lawsuit after I gathered 20 testimonials of employees being sickened by the fumes.A major reorganization of two MTA departments, all because of you? Are your delusions of grandeur really that strong? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 20 09:49:58 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by fdtutf on Mon Jan 20 03:55:25 2020. It happened exactly as I described. I lived through it. You didn't. Here were my bosses exact words to me before he transferred me. "It's easier to get rid of you than is is to fix the problem with the diesel fumes."The person who was running RTOP was more than glad to expand his empire, so he readily agreed. The real world works differently than you imagine it, You are the one who is delusional. You believe if it isn't on videotape, it didn't happen. Go back and live under your rock. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 10:49:42 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by fdtutf on Mon Jan 20 03:55:25 2020. As a long time employee, I have seen how they do things and I believe his story.This is an agency that cuts off its' nose to spite its' face. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 10:53:59 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 10:49:42 2020. They'll also spend $2 to save $1 and turn around and brag they just saved $1. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 20 11:20:30 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 20 10:49:42 2020. They create entire departments to be able to justify a promotion for a favored individual. By some strange coincidence, when that person retires or decides to leave the organization, they decide the Department is no longer needed and it gets dissolved. Even when a favored employee is booted out because he did something upper management did not like, he gets six months to find a job and is given the misterious title of Director, Special Projects.Good work is seldom rewarded which is why morale is so low. When morale is high, an employee will take the extra step to make a difference, rather than believing it isn't his job. I don't know how many wrong numbers called me over the years, but I always took the few seconds to look up the Department they wanted to give them the correct phone number. Most others would just hang up and say it was the wrong number. Sometimes all it takes is that extra step to make a difference. Employees with low morale do the minimum amount of work. Don't make waves and just follow orders without questions the best way to move up in the organization. Trying to change it only gets you in trouble with your supervisors. As long as the MTA culture does not change, nothing will improve. Byford wants to do the correct thing but can't do it alone. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 17:13:09 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 20 09:49:58 2020. That head of OP must have been “Dr” Alex Friedlander! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 20 19:07:26 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 20 17:13:09 2020. I won't answer that. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jan 20 20:39:57 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 19 12:01:11 2020. I can give one good example of NYCT not telling the truth.The Bronx final plan had two so-called "new" routes. The M125 is the southern/western half of the Bx15 so it's definitely not new (and the M100 won't travel across 125th Street anymore). The Bx25 was once used as a rush hour service to travel directly to Secfion 5 from Allerton Ave, so they really didn't do any favors by bringing this as a "new" because it is traveling the same route. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jan 20 20:42:58 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 20 11:20:30 2020. Byford is doing an outstanding job but he is facing enemies like Cuomo and the ignorant MTA culture. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 20 20:50:27 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jan 20 20:42:58 2020. Many politicians are in the way now and their damage from the past exists to this day. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 20 21:25:20 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jan 20 20:42:58 2020. I think he is trusting some of the wrong people. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 21 07:02:30 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jan 20 20:42:58 2020. I think this is also NYC-DOT driven, given the bias against MTA-BC routes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 21 07:40:45 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jan 20 20:39:57 2020. Here’s another. They told Rockaway residents several years ago that if they allow half the Q22s to terminate at Beach 116 St cutting service in half to. Belle Harbor, they would be able to add service is the rest of the route east of B116 St. The community agreed.Now they want to entirely eliminate Q22 Belle Harbor Service and cut service in the rest of the route from every 10 minutes to every 20 minutes without presenting any data to show how crowded to buses would be, |
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Op ed from Tom Suozzi |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 21 15:30:13 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. qns.com |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 21 16:04:00 2020, in response to Op ed from Tom Suozzi, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 21 15:30:13 2020. After skimming that piece I feel bad for those folks too. |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Jan 21 16:38:49 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 20 11:20:30 2020. I have a buddy who works for TA I told him once that I had been assigned to a special project. He asked me if that was a good thing and I told him it was huge project and something I was looking forward to. He told me in the TA world, being assigned to special projects was the kiss of death and meant you had 3-6 months to find a new job with another company or you were fired. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 21 17:29:13 2020, in response to Re: More news, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 20 19:07:26 2020. You don’t have to! |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 21 17:34:56 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 21 07:40:45 2020. The TA probably feels cheated that they can't charge double subway fare to get to the Rockaways since 1975, so they will fuck them over in any way they can. Add to that NYC-DOT wants everyone to take that stupid NYC Ferry. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 21 20:06:38 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. Another PetitionObjection! QT101, QT66, QT69-Northern Queens Bus proposals don’t benefit riders |
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More Queens backlash |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 27 12:25:53 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. NY 1 |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 27 14:58:13 2020, in response to More Queens backlash, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 27 12:25:53 2020. "this is just a proposal "This is a device to make the constituency complacent. I see this as De Blasio doing to MTA-BC what Nassau County did to LIB, then to NICE. MTA will happily go along. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 27 15:17:08 2020, in response to Re: More Queens backlash, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 27 14:58:13 2020. It’s a proposal until it becomes reality. |
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Even more backlash |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 28 17:44:27 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. Finally a negative article from the Queens Chronicle |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 11 10:46:20 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019. https://patch.com/new-york/foresthills/forest-hills-commuters-decry-mtas-proposed-q23-bus-redesign?fbclid=IwAR2n39hEEVRf1tPvjfANzRlFKibkwAOXtMmsFIjrS9x8Rfu_6F-5ybVaBJI |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 11 12:09:00 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 11 10:46:20 2020. linked bus redesign |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Feb 11 13:05:41 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 11 10:46:20 2020. Fools. |
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