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Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019

https://new.mta.info/queensbusredesign

https://new.mta.info/document/12706



The routes are QT. But that T is only temporary (for planning purposes). Once these are final, then they will became the usual Q.


ROUTE SUMMARIES OF LOCAL ROUTES

QT1 - Astoria to Downtown Brooklyn - 27 Ave/2 St to Tillary Street/Cadman Plaza via 21 (former Q100 and B62)

QT2 - Steinway to Williamsburg - Steinway St/20 Ave to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza via Steinway (former Q101 and B24)

QT3 - Jamaica to Williamsburg - Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza via Metropolitan (former Q54)

QT4 - Jackson Heights to Downtown Brooklyn - Broadway/Roosevelt Ave to Tillary St/Cadman Plaza via Flushing (former B57, Q18 and Q47)

QT5 - Jamaica to Brownsville - Sutphin Blvd/Hillside Ave to Hegeman St/East 98 St via 101 (former Q8 and B15)

QT6 - Flushing to Ridgewood - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to Myrtle/Wyckoff Aves via HHE, Grand, and Fresh Pond (former Q58)

QT7 - Spring Creek to Cambria Heights - Gateway Dr/Schroeder Ave to Linden Blvd/Springfield Blvd via Linden (former Q4 and Q89)

QT10 - Jackson Heights to Elmhurst - Queens Blvd/62 Ave to LGA Terminal A only via 92, Hampton, and 82 (former Q29 and Q33)

QT11 - East Elmhurst to Kew Gardens and Fresh Meadows - Ditmars Blvd/102 St to 188 St/64 Ave via 108 and Union (former Q23 and Q46)

QT12 - Bayside to Corona - QCC/56 Ave to Queens Blvd/Woodhaven Blvd via HHE (former Q30 and Q88)

QT13 - Jamaica to Far Rockaway - Parsons Blvd/Hillside Ave to Seagirt Blvd/Crest Road via Guy R. Brewer and Rockaway (former Q113)

QT14 - Electchester to JFK Airport - 164 St/Jewel Ave to Lefferts Blvd/Pan Am Rd via Jewel, Queens, and Lefferts (former Q10 and Q64)

QT15 - College Point to Flushing and QCC - Poppenhusen Ave/119 St Horace to Harding Expy/Springfield Blvd via CP and Parsons, 46 and 47 (former Q25 and Q65)

QT16 - Jamaica to Beechhurst - Cross Island Pkwy/Clintonville St to Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave via Kissena and Parsons (former Q20, Q25 and Q34)

QT17 - Flushing to Little Neck - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to Horace Harding Expwy/Little Neck Pkwy via Northern former Q12 and Q13)

QT18 - Springfield Gardens to Jamaica and Oakland Gardens - Union Tpke/Springfield Blvd to Merrick Blvd/Springfield Blvd via Hillside and Merrick (former Q5 and Q43)

QT19 - Jamaica to Sprinfield Gardens - Hillside Ave/Parsons Blvd to Guy R. Brewer Blvd/Farmers Blvd via Guy R. Brewer (former Q111)

QT20 - Jamaica to JFK Airport - Hillside Ave/Parsons Blvd to Lefferts Blvd/Pan Am Rd via Sutphin and 150 (former Q6)

QT22 - Far Rockaway to Rockaway Park - Beach Channel Dr/Beach 67 St to Rockaway Tpke/Burnside Ave via Rockaway, Beach Channel, Sheridan, Bayview (former Q22 and Q114)

QT24 - Jamaica to Richmond Hill - Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave to Broadway/Kossuth Pl via Atlantic (former Q24)

QT30 - Flushing to Fresh Meadows - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to 73 Ave/188 St via Parsons, 46, Utopia and 188 (former Q17, Q26 and Q31)

QT31 - Flushing to Queens Village - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to Springfield Blvd/Jamaica Ave via Parsons, 46, HHE, and Springfield(former Q26 and Q27)

QT32 - Kew Gardens to Glen Oaks - Queens Blvd/Union Tpke to 271 St/Main Hospital Entrance via Union Tpke (former Q46)

QT33 - Jamaica to QCC - Jamaica Ave/Merrick Blvd to 56th Ave/QCC via Hillside, 188, 73, and Springfield (former Q17, Q75 and Q85)

QT34 - Jamaica to Lake Success - Jamaica Ave/Merrick Blvd to Community Dr/North Shore Hospital via Hilliside, Winchester and HHE (former Q30 and Q43)

QT35 - Flatbush to Rockaway Park - Flatbush Ave/Avenue H to Beach Channel Dr/Beach 108 St via Flatbush and Rockaway Beach (former Q35)

QT36 - Jamaica to Glen Oaks - Jamaica Ave/Merrick Blvd to 271 St/Main Hospital Entrance via Hillside and Lakeville (former Q43)

QT37 - Kew Gardens to Ozone Park - Queens Blvd/Union Tpke to 135 Rd/130th Pl via 111 (former Q37)

QT38 - Jamaica to Belmont Park - Jamaica Ave/Merrick Blvd to Hempstead Ave/223 St via Hillside and Hollis (former Q2)

QT39 - Jamaica to Cambria Heights - Merrick Blvd/Jamaica Ave to 113 Dr/227 St via Hillside, Farmers, and Murdock (former Q3 and Q83)

QT40 - Jamaica to Cambria Heights - Parsons Blvd/Archer Ave to Linden Blvd/Elmont Rd via Merrick and Linden (former Q4)

QT41 - Jamaica to Cambria Heights - Parsons Blvd/Archer Ave to Springfield Blvd/120 Ave via Merrick and 120 (former Q84)

QT42 - Jamaica to Rosedale - Parsons Blvd/Archer Ave to Green Acres Mall via Merrick (former Q5)

QT43 - Jamaica to Laurelton - Parsons Blvd/Archer Ave to Francis Lewis Blvd/Conduit Ave via Guy R. Brewer, Bedell and Conduit (former Q85)

QT44SBS - Jamaica to Fordham - Parsons Blvd/Archer Ave to Fordham Rd/Webster Ave via Main, Whitestone and 177 (Former Q44 SBS)

QT45 - Jamaica to Rosedale - Parsons Blvd/Archer Ave to Hook Creek Blvd/149 Rd via Guy R. Brewer and 147 (former Q111 and Q114)

QT46 - Jamaica to South Jamaica - Hillside Ave/164 St to 143 St/135 Ave via Sutphin, Linden and 143 (former Q40)

QT47 - Jamaica to South Ozone Park - Hillside Ave/164 St to 150 Ave/149 Ave via Sutphin, Lakewood, 109 and 130 (former Q9)

QT48 - Flushing to Fort Totten - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to Willets Point Blvd/ Totten Ave via Willets Point and Union (former Q16 and Q34)

QT49 - Flushing to Beechhurst - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to 9 Ave/166 St via Utopia and Northern (former Q16 and Q28)

QT50 - Pelham to Flushing to LGA Airport - Westchester Ave/Bruckner Blvd to LGA Terminal A via Hutchinson, Whitestone, Roosevelt and 108 (former Q48 and Q50)

QT51 - Flushing to Bayside - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to Bell Blvd/23 Ave via Bell, 35, Crocheron and Northern (former Q13)

QT52SBS - Elmhurst to Far Rockaway - Queens Blvd/Woodhaven Blvd to Beach Channel Dr/Beach 54th St via Woodhaven and Cross Island (former Q52 and Q53 SBS)

QT54 - Jamaica to Williamsburg - Parsons Blvd/Archer Ave to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza via Metropolitan Ave (former Q54)

QT55 - Jamaica to Ridgewood - Jamaica Ave/170 St to Myrtle Ave/Wyckoff Ave via Myrtle Ave (former Q55)

QT56 - Jamaica to Richmond Hill - Jamaica Ave/170 St to Broadway/Truxton St via Jamaica (former Q56)

QT58 - Flushing to Ridgewood - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to Myrtle Ave/Wyckoff Ave via Roosevelt, Corona, Grand, and Fresh Pond (former Q58)

QT59 - Rego Park to Williamsburg - Queens Blvd/62 Ave to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza via Grand (former Q59)

QT60 - Jamaica to Hunters Point - Parsons Blvd/Archer Ave to Center Blvd/54 Ave via Queens and Skillman (former Q60)

QT61 - Elmhurst to Columbus Circle - Ditmars Blvd/102 St to 59 St/8 Ave via 23, 75, Roosevelt, Queens, and 59 (former Q47 and Q60)

QT62 - East New York to Cedarhurst - Atlantic Ave/Crescent St to Rockaway Tpke/Burnside Ave via Liberty and Rockaway (former Q6, Q7 and Q114)

QT63 - Long Island City to Rego Park - 11 St/34 Ave to Queens Blvd/62 Ave via Broadway (former Q53 and Q104)

QT64 - Jamaica to College Point - Hillside Ave/164 St to 110 St/14 Ave via Utopia, 14 and 15 (former Q20, Q65 and Q76)

QT65 - St. Albans to Whitestone - Merrick Blvd/Linden Blvd to 9 Ave/166 St via 160, 162, 164 and Merrick (former Q65)

QT66 - Flushing to Woodside - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to Broadway/Northern Blvd via Northern (former Q66)

QT67 - Ozone Park to Floral Park - Woodhaven Blvd/Rockaway Blvd to Jamaica Ave/Little Neck Pkwy via Liberty and Jamaica (former Q36, Q110 and Q112)

QT68 - Jamaica to JFK Airport - Van Wyck Expy Service Rd/Jamaica Hospital to Federal Circle Station via Liberty and Farmers (former Q3)

QT69 - Jackson Heights to Hunters Point - Astoria Blvd/82 St to Center Blvd/54 Ave via Ditmars and 21 (former Q69)

QT70SBS - Woodside to LGA Airport - Roosevelt Ave/61 St to LGA Terminal B via Roosevelt, BQE and GCE (former Q70)

QT71 - Bayside to Rosedale - Bell Blvd/23 Ave to Rockaway Blvd/Farmers Blvd via Bell and Springfield (former Q13, Q27 and Q77)

QT72 - Jackson Heights to Elmhurst - Ditmars Blvd/94 St to Queens Blvd/63 Dr via Junction (former Q72)

QT73 - Flushing to Cambria Heights - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to 129 Ave/Laurelton Pkwy via Francis Lewis and 120 (former Q76, Q77 and Q84)

QT74 - Jackson Heights - Ditmars Blvd/Grand Central Pkwy to Broadway/Baxter Ave via 91 (former Q49)

QT75 - Woodside to Midtown Manhattan - Broadway/Northern Blvd to 42 St/6 Ave via 48, Roosevelt, 48, Thomson, Jackson and 5 Ave (former Q32, Q39 and Q104)

QT76 - Astoria to Williamsburg - 21 St/Ditmars Blvd to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza via 21, 20 and Steinway (Former Q101 and B62)

QT77 - Long Island City to Elmhurst - 21 St-41 Ave to Woodhaven Blvd/Queens Blvd via 21, Borden, 48, Rust, FP and Elliot (former Q38, Q39 and Q67)

QT78 - Roosevelt Island to Middle Village - Main Street RI to Metropolitan Ave/Middle Village via 36, Northern, 69 and Metropolitan (former Q18 and Q66)

QT79 - Rikers Island to Hunters Point - Rikers Island Visitors Center to Center Blvd/54 Ave via 20, 31 and Jackson (former Q100 and Q102)

QT80 - Astoria to Ridgewood - 27 Ave/2 St to Myrtle Ave/Wyckoff Ave via 30, 58, Rust and Forest (former Q18 and Q39)

QT81 - Astoria to Whitestone - 27 Ave/2 St to Clintonville St/6 Ave via Astoria, Roosevelt, and 150 (former Q15 and Q19)

QT82 - East Elmhurst to Glendale - Ditmars Blvd/102 St to 81 St/Myrtle Ave via 103, 99, Junction, 63, Penelope and 80 (former Q23 and Q29)

QT83 - Elmhurst to Howard Beach - Queens Blvd/Woodhaven Blvd to Cross Bay Blvd/157 Ave via Woodhaven and Cross Bay (former Q11, Q21 and Q49?(remnant of older plan?))

QT84 - Flushing to Bayside - Main St/Roosevelt Ave to Northern Blvd/Bell Blvd via Linden, 20, Francis Lewis and Northern (former Q20, Q25 and Q76)

QT85 - Flushing to Fort Totten - College Point Blvd/Avery Ave to Willets Point Blvd/Totten Ave via Maple, Main, 32, Corporal Kennedy and Bell (former Q16 and Q28)

QT86 - College Point to Glendale - Linden Pl/28 Ave to 81 St/Cooper Ave Atlas Mall via Main, Union Tpk, Queens, and Yellowstown (former Q20 and Q74)

QT87 - Forest Hills to Little Neck - Union Tpke/Crescent Apartments to Little Neck Pkwy/40 Ave via Jewel, 73, LIE, and Little Neck (former Q30, Q64 and Q88)

QT88A - Howard Beach to Ozone Park to Hamilton Beach - Cross Bay Blvd/163 Ave to 165 Ave/96 St via 84, Cross Bay, Rockaway and 101 (former Q11 and Q21)

QT88B - Howard Beach to Ozone Park to Hamilton Beach - Cross Bay Blvd/163 Ave to 104 St/165 Ave via 84, Cross Bay, Rockaway and 104 (former Q11 and Q21)



ROUTE SUMMARIES OF EXPRESS ROUTES

QMT100 - Middle Village to Downtown Manhattan - Eliot Ave/83 Pl to Water St/Broad St via Eliot, Metropolitan and Water (former QM25)

QMT101 - Glendale to Downtown Manhattan - Myrtle Ave/72 St to Water St/Broad St via Eliot and Metropolitan and Water (former QM25)

QMT102 - Briarwood to Downtown Manhattan - Queens Blvd/Main St to Water St/Broad St via Queens Blvd, LIE and Water (former QM11)

QMT103 - Bay Terrace to Downtown Manhattan - Corporal Kennedy St/23 Ave to Water St/Broad St via 26, Utopia, CI, Whitestone and Water (former QM2, QM20 and QM32)

QMT104 - Glen Oaks to Downtown Manhattan - 260 St/74 Ave to Water St/Broad St via Little Neck, HHE, 73, 188 and Water (former QM8)

QMT105 - Fresh Meadows to Downtown Manhattan - 188 St/64 Ave to Water St/Broad St via 188, Union Tpke and Water (former QM7 and QM8)

QMT106 - Belmont to Downtown Manhattan - Hempstead Tpke/Belmont Park to Water St/Broad St via Hempstead, Springfield, Hillside and Water (NEW)

QMT107 - Rochdale to Downtown Manhattan - 188 St/64 Ave to Water St/Broad St via Bedell, Merrick, Linden and Water (former QM21)

QMT112 - Forest Hills to Hudson Yards - Yellowstone Blvd/Clyde St to 10 Ave/34 St via Yellowstone, HHE and 34 (former QM10 and QM12)

QMT115 - Fresh Meadows to Hudson Yards - 188 St/64 Ave to 10 Ave/34 St via 188, Union Tpke and 34 (former QM1)

QMT116 - Elmont to Hudson Yards - Elmont Rd/Dutch Broadway to 10 Ave/34 St via Elmon, Linden and 34 (former X64)

QMT117 - Hillside to Hudson Yards - Hillside Ave/268 St to 10 Ave/34 St via Hillside and 34 (former X68)

QMT130 - Middle Village to Midtown 3 Ave - Eliot Ave/69 St to 3 Ave/55 St via Elliot and 3 (former QM34)

QMT131 - Glendale to Midtown 3 Ave - Myrtle Ave/72 St to 3 Ave/55 St via Myrtle, Fresh Pond, Elliot and 3 (former QM34)

QMT132 - Forest Hills to Midtown 3 Ave - Yellowstone Blvd/Clyde St to 3 Ave/55 St via Yellowstone, HHE and 3 (former QM40 and QM42)

QMT133 - Bay Terrace to Midtown 3 Ave - Corporal Kennedy St/23 Ave to 3 Ave/55 St via 26, Utopia, Cross Island, Whitestone and 3 (former QM32)

QMT134 - Glen Oaks to Midtown 3 Ave - 260 St/74 Ave to 3 Ave/55 St via Little Neck, HHE, 73, 188 and 3 (former QM35)

QMT135 - Fresh Meadows to Midtown 3 Ave - 188 St/64 Ave to 3 Ave/55 St via 188, Union Tpke and 3(former QM31)

QMT155 - Spring Creek to Midtown 3 Ave - Seaview Ave/Pennsylvania Ave to 3 Ave/55 St via Pennsylvania, Van Siclen, Ashford and Linden (former BM5)

QMT156 - Rosedale to Midtown Madison Ave - 149 Ave/257 St to 57 St/3 Ave via Francis Lewis, Merrick, 137, Guy R. Brewer, Linden and Madison (former QM21 and X63)

QMT157 - Hillside to Midtown Madison Ave - Hillside Ave/268 St to 57 St/3 Ave via Hillside and Madison (former X68)

QMT160 - Middle Village to Midtown 6 Ave - Eliot Ave/69 St to 57 St/Lexington Ave via Elliot and 6 (former QM24)

QMT161 - Glendale to Midtown 6 Ave - Myrtle Ave/72 St to 57 St/Lexington Ave via Myrtle, Fresh Pond, Elliot and 6 (former QM24)

QMT162 - Electchester to Midtown 6 Ave - 164 St/HHE to 57 St/Lexington Ave via 164 and Jewel (former QM4)

QMT163 - Beechhurst to Midtown 6 Ave - Powells Cove Blvd/162 St to 57 St/Lexington Ave via 166 and Willets Point (former QM2, QM20 and QM32)

QMT164 - Bay Terrace to Midtown 6 Ave - Corporal Kennedy St/23 Ave to 57 St/Lexington Ave via 26, Utopia, Cross Island, Whitestone and 6 (former QM2)

QMT165 - Glen Oaks to Midtown 6 Ave - 260 St/74 Ave to 57 St/Lexington Ave via Little Neck, HHE, 73, 188 and 6 (former QM1)

QMT166 - Fresh Meadows to Midtown 6 Ave - 188 St/64 Ave to 3 Ave/55 St via 188, Union Tpke and 6 (former QM12)

QMT167 - New Hyde Park to Midtown 6 Ave - North Shore Towers to 57 St/Lexington Ave via Union Tpke and 6 (former QM6)

QMT168 - Howard Beach to Midtown 6 Ave - Cross Bay Blvd/163 Ave to 57 St/Lexington Ave via Woodhaven and 6 (former QM15)

QMT169 - Jacob Riis to Midtown 6 Ave - Jacob Riis Pk Rd/Bath House to 57 St/Lexington Ave via Woodhaven and 6 (former QM16)

QMT170 - Far Rockaway to Midtown 6 Ave -Beach 9 St/Seagirt Blvd to 57 St/Lexington Ave via Woodhaven and 6 (former QM17)

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Dec 31 05:26:26 2019, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

These changes seem much more extensive than the changes proposed in other boroughs, don't they?

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 07:31:38 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Dec 31 05:26:26 2019.

Renumerbering everything. There will be mass confusion.

Q10 looks to be extended further north beyond Union Tpke station, though I never heard of "Electchester".

Q35 goes via Rockaway Beach Blvd. The MTA just hates Neptune Av.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 31 10:06:03 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 07:31:38 2019.

Electchester is a 2500 unit coop apartment development, QM4/44 have used it as origin/destination.....

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 31 10:12:35 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 31 10:06:03 2019.

The proposed elimination of 3 stops for the Electchester and Pomonok developments between 164th and Kissena will not happen, those are extremely busy stops on long hills, perhaps leaving Parsons in the middle, but all 3, every local elected official will work to block.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 31 10:12:56 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 31 10:06:03 2019.

Although to be fair, if there was no QM4/44 and if I didn't pay attention to destination signs, I to this day would probably never have known that there was any such thing as Electchester (and I lived in Queens for about 10 years).

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 31 10:20:23 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 31 10:12:35 2019.

They are also, it seems, making another attempt to break up (most) Little Neck Pkwy service. At the same time, that road's extreme north would get direct subway (and Forest Hills, which is something like a CBD) service, and it may be a net win.

At the same time, I have routinely noticed people waiting for the Q36 when it's running at sites like Union Tpke and Hillside Ave.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 31 10:28:40 2019, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

The ENY - Cedarhurst route is interesting, but always low frequency.

Mixed feelings about leaving Cross Bay / Woodhaven SBS with only the Q52. I suppose not having to go to Woodside can make this corridor more dependable. But it also means, on the current plan, no direct transfer to a bus of that corridor from the Q35, which I think is a big mistake. The Q35 should then at least go to B 94th St if they won't operate a Rockaway Park branch of the SBS.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BusMgr on Tue Dec 31 11:26:45 2019, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

From a broad perspective, the planners seem to have decided to ignore many established service patterns, and have connected neighborhoods that really have no substantial relationship to one another. In other words, planners running amok, drawing lines on maps, without truly understanding the demographics of the communities affected. In other words, these are fantasy transit routes.

Now some ideas are good. For example, having the Flushing-Ridgewood route (Q58) using the Horace Harding service roads, instead of poking along on Corona Avenue, speeds up the journey for many who travel to and Flushing. But other ideas are bad, such as creating routes that require transfers to reach Flushing, and other routes that are "L" shaped or circular. And cutting the Q60 from Manhattan, and sending it to a ferry terminal that no one wants? Social engineering at its worst!

Despite a few good ideas, this plan seems to be mostly a failure. It was busy work for recently-graduated service planners, who designed according to their academic theories, and ignoring the needs of people who rely on buses in Queens to get around. I foresee an outroar.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 11:38:51 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BusMgr on Tue Dec 31 11:26:45 2019.

The Rockaway Turnpike bus appears goes to neither Far Rockaway nor Jamaica, but ENY and only to Cedarhurst.

Planners seem to be playing connect-the-dots, but not paying attention to any travel patterns. Jamaica is destination. I suppose they think the N31 will suffice for Mott Ave subway station, but that is not MTA's bus.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by B53RICH on Tue Dec 31 11:46:15 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BusMgr on Tue Dec 31 11:26:45 2019.

"In other words, planners running amok, drawing lines on maps, without truly understanding the demographics of the communities affected. In other words, these are fantasy transit routes." George Costanza logic.
I had to double check that this came from the MTA site rather than some bus fan's idea.

Little Neck LIRR Sta. to Forest Hills current Q23 Union Tpke. terminal, way too long.
Combining the Q10 with the Q64, don't like this idea. Q10 is a subway feeder for South Queens. The Q64 is a subway feeder for Electchester, could have extended the Q64 further east.
QT3 a Q54 limited.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Dan on Tue Dec 31 11:52:12 2019, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

'QMT100 - Middle Village to Downtown Manhattan - Eliot Ave/83 Pl to Water St/Broad St via Eliot, Metropolitan and Water (former QM25)

QMT101 - Glendale to Downtown Manhattan - Myrtle Ave/72 St to Water St/Broad St via Eliot and Metropolitan and Water (former QM25)'

Express buses from Queens with stops in Brooklyn, then via the Williamsburg Bridge to Manhattan. Beyond stupid.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by B53RICH on Tue Dec 31 11:56:52 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by B53RICH on Tue Dec 31 11:46:15 2019.

In addition, what happened to the QM18 Lefferts Express?

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BusMgr on Tue Dec 31 12:08:50 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Dan on Tue Dec 31 11:52:12 2019.

Metropolitan Avenue is the route that Glenridge Coach Co. operated, when it was providing express service between Glendale-Ridgewood and Manhattan, prior to Triboro Coach initiating its own QM24 service.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 31 13:17:30 2019, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

I like the fact we are getting more Queens to Manhattan local routes.

But as a quick example, as currently set up the B57 is very undependable due to traffic conditions. Having it go farther will make it even more undependable. I hope transit gives these routes sufficient running time. Ha Ha.

Finally, I am curious about eventual depot assignments and how MTA bus plays into this.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Q23 on Tue Dec 31 15:47:22 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by B53RICH on Tue Dec 31 11:56:52 2019.

It's completely eliminated.

Lots of express bus cuts. BM5 and QM4 off peak service is cut. QM2 and QM15 service is being reduced during off peak hours. The QM5 and QM6 off peak service is being replaced by the QM1 (so no express bus service east of 188th Street on either route). Those folks are going to be livid.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Q23 on Tue Dec 31 15:49:38 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Q23 on Tue Dec 31 15:47:22 2019.

Also, QM36 service is gone, and there's no more Sunday service. That's just some of the cuts.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 31 16:14:55 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Q23 on Tue Dec 31 15:47:22 2019.

QM44 electchester/3rd ave gone

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 16:19:23 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 31 16:14:55 2019.

This whole things sound so drastic and foolish that they seem to want it to be put up for target practice so as to forget it.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 31 17:00:42 2019, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

Interactive map of each route with frequency, service span, and population information: Proposed Draft Plan - Queens Bus Redesign - Remix

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BusMgr on Tue Dec 31 17:14:00 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 16:19:23 2019.

And the irony is that, with all MTABC reimbursable 100 percent by the city, none of these service reductions will actually save any money for the MTA. Perhaps it is not the MTA but the city, behind the curtain, pulling the strings on this plan?

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 17:37:36 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BusMgr on Tue Dec 31 17:14:00 2019.

If so, expect another Cuomo/DeBlasio Holy War.

The only logic I can see for the Q114 is they regard it solely as a subway feeder to either Mott Av or Jamaica. So they truncate back to Cedarhurst. leave south of there to NICE (no Sunday N31 service, never was), dump everybody at the ENY subway complex, and let the passengers sort themselves out. But nobody wants to go to ENY per se, it is not a safe area, though Jamaica is a destination of itself.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 17:43:24 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 31 17:00:42 2019.

There is a Jamaica - Far Rockaway service. I am totally confused between this map and the list I saw elsewhere.

West of Rockaway Park subway, the Q22 and Q35 swap, and the Q22 seems to go a few block west of it.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 31 18:22:38 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Q23 on Tue Dec 31 15:47:22 2019.

The QM3 is dropped, so I am looking into picking it up. It is one of those routes that I believe has been deliberately neglected all of its life to protect the LIRR.

It is simple. Off-peak, you offer a reduced fare so that all of the costs do not have to be loaded on the rush hour buses. Otherwise, all of the expresses look bad.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 31 18:24:04 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 31 13:17:30 2019.

The route extensions are predicted on making buses stop every 4-6 blocks. If that is not achieved, the entire plan does not work.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 31 18:41:28 2019, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

Much to hate here. Express bus spans reduced to only rush in peak direction.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 18:55:18 2019, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 31 18:22:38 2019.

Notice the Q32 is cut back from Penn Staiton to 42nd & 6th.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Wed Jan 1 04:12:04 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

Q44 (QT44) will no longer run overnight on weekends

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 1 09:48:20 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 17:37:36 2019.

There is a Q22 extension to Cedarhurst to connect those riders to Far Rockaway.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 09:58:13 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 1 09:48:20 2020.

I see now. The Q114 would be rerouted onto Nassau Expressway. That still does not people along Rockaway Tpke, Mott Av, and Wanser Ave in Lawrence and Inwood get them to Jamaica, which is the ability they have had since it was Jamaica Railways trolley car.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 1 10:50:59 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 17:37:36 2019.

As a sidebar, the subtle message I'm getting from the easternmost aspects of this redesign is that NYCT/MTAB want to serve Nassau more (Lakeville Road between Union Tpke and Hillside - should be interesting to see if there are any stops on that stretch as the n26 does not make any currently), N Shore Hospital, and, as we are discussing in this subthread, some of the towns north/east of Far Rockaway.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 1 11:06:57 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 31 13:17:30 2019.

Extending the B57 and cutting the Smith Court part of the route will mostly likely mean there will be no bus service on those streets when the Brooklyn plan is released with the justification that it duplicates the F and has low ridership. The ridership is low because they decimated the service there.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 1 11:10:17 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BusMgr on Tue Dec 31 11:26:45 2019.

Though I havenít reviewed the plan yet in detail, I suspect your assessment is correct. I just hope passengers donít just sit back and accept the changes they do not like without speaking up.

Where are the criteria to determine if this plan is successful after initiation? You canít just cherry pick a few facts and declare success as the MTA did in Staten Island.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 1 11:53:43 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 09:58:13 2020.

I guess they feel that if a one-seat ride to Jamaica is so important, those people can take the LIRR and pay the extra fare. My first thought was that the QT22 & QT62 should both end at the Far Rockaway A train station, but I guess they figured that they might as well give the QT22 some unique coverage away from the A train, and there's no point in the QT62 connecting to the A train at both ends. I agree, it does make it harder to get to Jamaica by bus, though, since people on the southern end have to backtrack to Far Rockaway (since the QT22 doesn't connect with the QT13 at its eastern terminal)

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 12:12:08 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 1 11:53:43 2020.

Lawrence and Inwood folks now taking the bus are not exactly of the wealthy class of the other side of the tracks at Lawrence and of Hewlett thru Cedarhurst. They are not going to take the LIRR. The MTA seems to want to dump them at ENY, unsafe and lacking of amenities as it is, and they can sort themselves out onto the A, J, and L trains.

Also notice the Jamaica - North Woodmere bus no longer heads down Mill Road into Hewlett and down Peninsula Blvd. It only ran 2 or 3 times a day since when it was Jamaica Bus lines. I don't know when that went away.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 12:16:37 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 1 10:50:59 2020.

The 2010 Walder cuts were pretty light on MTA-BC, but heavy handed on TA routes. The focus was on MTA's deficits, which BC and NYC had no part of.

Now they are using this as a tool to prune city subsidized, MTA-BC, while De Blasio leaves in place his stupid NYC ferries with 10% farebox recovery.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 1 12:32:56 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 12:12:08 2020.

They can get off the Q7 at Rockaway Blvd & Liberty Avenue and catch the A there. There's nothing remotely wrong with that station or neighborhood.

And the Q111 still runs those few trips down Peninsula Blvd.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 12:41:42 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 1 12:32:56 2020.

"QT62" is the Q7 ?

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 1 14:35:42 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 31 17:43:24 2019.

The new Q22 (QT22) has a stub end terminal at Rockaway Turnpike & Burnside Avenue, and will no longer serve Saint John's hospital, or any of those dense apartment complexes off of Seagirt Boulevard. Redfern Houses lost their bus stop. Lastly, the QT22 will now stop running at around 10:30PM instead of 1AM like it does presently.

The new Q113 (QT13) runs nonstop between Hillside Avenue and Linden Boulevard, essentially skipping the entire Jamaica Avenue CBD, and requires backtracking to transfer to if you're trying to travel between the Inwood area and points north.

They're forcing the Q52 down people's throats even though the Q53 has a direction connection to the Queens Boulevard Express Subway lines, is more popular with beachgoers in the summer and riders in general, and serves the side of the Rockaways that has no regular direct subway service into Manhattan.

They didn't even attempt to study the potential feasibility of any new direct connections from the Rockaway Peninsula to Green Acres Mall or the Brighton subway line, both of which I'm sure could attract decent ridership.

There is no way the Rockaway Peninsula will let these changes fly.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 1 14:37:52 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 1 11:53:43 2020.

There should be a branch of the QT62 to Green Acres, it should also be straightened to run directly on Rockaway Boulevard between Crescent Street and Woodhaven Boulevard.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 14:45:06 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 1 14:35:42 2020.

I think DeBlasio's DOT is the driving force of this and its elitism. I'm a Dem, but I can also call a spade a spade.

He's give them NYC Ferry to shut them up about the Q22 truncations and fucking over Newport Avenue by proposed Q35 reroute. They don't give a shit about a hospital in Far Rockaway.

The Q53 is the traditional Woodhaven Blvd Limited stop service. I believe its branch in the Rockaways is much better patronized than the Q52, which is the new kid on the block, which is counter-intuitive with A & S("H") service.



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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 14:46:25 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 1 14:37:52 2020.

Coudn't a redirected Q113 serve Green Acres, and run all the time ?

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by JAzumah on Wed Jan 1 16:18:45 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 12:16:37 2020.

Bingo

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 1 17:08:52 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 31 17:00:42 2019.

I feel like this draft was conjured up by people who were determined to make the system more grid-like, which makes sense in a low-density and car-friendly area like Queens, but lost sight of travel patterns and area demographics somewhere along the way.

Why are they trying to shove the Hunters Point Ferry down our throats? I doubt that the residents of Sunnyside headed towards Manhattan are going to favor this QT60 (new Q60) to the ferry over the 7 train or QT61/QT75.

They rerouted the QT80 (new Q18) away from residential Maspeth to better serve... 3 cemeteries?

Much of Glendale lost their subway connection to the Myrtle Avenue line, forcing riders to choose the Queens Boulevard line instead. Is it wise to funnel more riders onto a subway line that is supposedly beyond maxed out in capacity as it is?

They are really getting rid of Queens Plaza as a bus terminal, but I have no complaints, I always thought that it was over served anyways.

The QT6 (new Q58 Limited) does this weird diversion to Grand Avenue subway station between Queens Center and Maspeth, why? I am loving how the QT58 (new Q58 Local) serves Roosevelt Avenue instead taking the circuitous route through College Point Boulevard however.

The QT7 along Linden Boulevard only stops at Lefferts Boulevard between Sutphin Boulevard and Woodhaven Boulevard, who is this route for? Do they really think that the residents of Cambria Heights/St. Albans headed towards Manhattan are going to choose the slower A train over the E train?

The QT20 (new Q6) is brilliant and what I was hoping these changes would do to that route, but why does it shun the terminal area in favor of serving... Lefferts Boulevard Airtrain?

243rd Street in Rosedale is a busy commercial strip and important ridership generator for the Q85 (now QT43), and they're removing service from that strip, forcing passengers to cross the far from pedestrian friendly Conduit Avenue to catch their bus now?

Most Q65 riders on 164th Street are going to Flushing, this new QT65 completely disregards that in favor of taking a more linear route to Beechhurst. How many people in Beechhurst are really trying to get to Electchester and vice versa?

The QT33 (new Q75) is brilliant and exactly what I thought should have been done to the old Q75, although I wish this new QT33 also connected to the E, J, and Z trains.

The QT55 (new Q55) to Jamaica is also brilliant, and something that I have proposed on here numerous times to less than favorable reception, glad the MTA didn't listen to you guys on this one lol.

Why does the QT41 (new Q84) stub at Francis Lewis Boulevard? Am I really supposed to think that more 120th Avenue passengers east of Francis Lewis Boulevard would prefer a direct bus to Cunningham Park over Jamaica? The QT73 should also be extended to Rosedale LIRR or Green Acres for additional coverage.

Regarding the QT47 (new Q9), how are South Ozone Park airport employees supposed to reach the airport without having to ridiculously backtrack?

The QT50 (new Q50) is going to be brutal for drivers. A loop route from Co-op City to LaGuardia Airport via the Whitestone Bridge, Citifield, and Downtown Flushing then back to Co-op City?

Why does Roosevelt Avenue still have no bus service between 74th Street and 108th Street?

The QT71 (new Q27/Q77) should go over the Throgs Neck Bridge to Parkchester. I also think that there should be a branch to Rochdale Village on the southern end.

Not a big deal, but I thought that the Williamsburg waterfront area brought a decent chunk of ridership to the Q59, so I am a little surprised that they're getting rid of it. The Q59 will also lose its connection to the G train as a result of this, although admittedly it's a transfer few take advantage of.

The QT63 (new Q104) should abandon that stub end terminal at 11th Street in favor of an extension to Roosevelt Island. I am pretty sure that Roosevelt Island would appreciate the new connection to the Steinway Street shopping district.

Who is going to take the QT64 (new Q31) north of St. Johns? And it's going to run 24/7? This route is destined for failure. Maybe it should diverge to serve Auburndale LIRR to give it somewhat of a ridership generator on its northern end.

If there is a route that should go to the Hunters Point Ferry it should be the QT66, but they're stubbing it at Broadway. It won't even serve the shopping center at 48th Street anymore, why?

If they're going for a grid system, shouldn't the QT67 (new Q112) go to Crescent Street via Liberty and not the QT62? I am loving how they finally streamlined Jericho Turnpike service on the eastern end however.

Why are they swapping the Q83 (now QT39) and Q3 (now QT68) north of Liberty Avenue? There is nothing wrong with the current arrangement. Lots of airport workers in Hollis use the Q3.

The new QT75 is brilliant, I know Sunnyside is going to love this route. I still think that there should be a dedicated 48th Street route between Rikers Island and Ridgewood however.

For all of the routes that they're rerouting to ferry terminals, one of the most obvious candidates, the QT76 (new Q101) is stubbed at 21st Street and Ditmars Boulevard instead of heading all the way down to the Astoria Ferry Terminal. I would at least have it detour to serve the Ditmars Boulevard station so that northwestern Astoria would now have a direct bus to the N and W trains there.

The QT79 (new Q102) is brilliant, a perfect route, I can see this one being a success over time.

Why are they stubbing the QT83 (new Q11) at 157th Avenue? At least send it down to 164th Avenue so it can serve the commercial district down there.

This QT84 (new Q20A/Q25) is going to be DOA, no way this route has a chance as is.

In regards to the QT85 (new Q28), I thought Crocheron Avenue was a huge ridership generator for the Q28? I also thought that many Q28 riders are traveling between Northern Boulevard and points east, I can't see this one going over too well.

The Q74 lives through the new QT86, I actually like this route too, crazy enough to work. Atlas Park's management will love this.

I'm loving the new QT87, this one will be another instant hit. I would create a branch to Queensborough Community College a la the Q30 as well.

No way Lindenwood is going to accept the service cut that is the QT88 with open arms, this route will change soon enough.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 1 17:10:16 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 14:46:25 2020.

It wouldn't help the bus network as much as rerouting the Rockaway Boulevard route would. It's partly about connecting Green Acres to South Ozone Park, but mostly about improving the bus network.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 1 17:18:00 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 14:45:06 2020.

This draft is more about testing the waters to see how much they can get away with. Remember how they wanted to essentially cannibalize bus service to Co-op City just to end up adding a new route to serve it in the end (Bx25)?

Knowing the MTA, Newport Avenue service is unfortunately chopped liver at this point even though it is more centrally located and convenient for area residents. I wouldn't quite yet give up hope on retaining the Q53 or service along Seagirt Boulevard however.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 1 17:43:47 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 1 17:18:00 2020.

All they did was take the service they were initially proposing to add to the Bx23 and use it for those Bx26/28 branches to northern Co-Op City.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jan 1 17:44:26 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 1 12:41:42 2020.

Correct

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 1 17:52:29 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

Just noticed the non-stop segment of the QT32 (Q46) along Union Tpke. Nothing between 188th and Parsons, clearly meant to avoid St. John's.

In terms of Manhattan access, I get it -- keep Utopia and SJU to the shorter route (QT11). But do they really think nobody from the east wants to get off anywhere between 188th and Parsons? Maybe if every second or third run did the non-stop thing it would be ok. And definitely overnight, it should be all local. (The Glen Oaks via 260th St service has been removed).

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 1 17:56:13 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 1 17:08:52 2020.

Who is going to take the QT64 (new Q31) north of St. Johns? And it's going to run 24/7? This route is destined for failure.

Especially if the QT32 will bypass Utopia.

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