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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 11 08:52:49 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BusMgr on Sat Jan 11 08:38:55 2020.

Fair enough. But perhaps what I might ask is if, for example, GBL had decided to extend even some of its Q21 service to Rego Park or Elmhurst, affecting Q53 ridership, would it have disrupted the peace?

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BusMgr on Sat Jan 11 10:34:56 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 11 08:52:49 2020.

At least in latter years, that would be an entirely hypothetical question because Green Bus Lines was not permitted to make such decisions. Improvements to service could be made only by NYCDOT, and there was a purposeful effort by NYCDOT to have poor service so as to justify handing it all over to the MTA.

The only "peace" would have been between the Transport Workers Union, Local 100, that represented the employees of Triboro Coach, and the Amalgamated Transit Union, Local 1179, that represented the employees of Green Bus Lines, and would concern the division of work between the employees represented by the diverse unions.

The irony in all of this, of course, is that MTA Bus Company management has been a total failure. An article in the New York Times, April 20, 2004, reported city subsidies of $150 million per year to maintain the operation of 1,200 bus by private companies (a number somewhat inflated as a result of very old buses that the City had refused to modernize, part of the City's drive to portray the privately-operated bus service as poorly-run). A few days later, on April 26, 2004, the New York Times reported Jerome Cooper, chairman of Triboro Coach, Green Bus Lines, et al., as remarking, "I don't know if the M.T.A. knows what they're getting into. . . . If they think they can run these bus lines better and cheaper than us, let 'em try." Mr. Cooper's prediction was directly on target. The City's expense budget (available at http://budget.council.nyc; go to the Miscellaneous expenses for services) includes $4,269,507,810 for subsidy payments to MTA Bus Company, nearly triple what it had been paying private companies. Certainly newer buses have been placed in service, but that could have done as well with private company management. But private companies would not have had taxpayer-paid subsidies explode to these levels, nor would you have had the private companies floating these mindless proposals for "redesigning" the bus network that MTA Bus Company has thrown out. The private companies had employees with decades of experience in knowing their routes and service areas, on a very low level, a significant difference from what appears to be a revolving door of relatively new and inexperienced service planners at MTA Bus Company, working remotely from lower Manhattan, and with little understanding of the historical context of the bus routes and communities being served. The horrible job that MTA Bus Company did with its service redesign is just another symptom of this government bureaucracy being an utter failure.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 11:33:26 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Snilcher on Sat Jan 11 08:22:12 2020.

And as one of those residents Iíll go on a limb and say there isnít a whole lot of demand in the first place.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 11:36:59 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 11 08:22:15 2020.

You mean to tell me that there was a demand for this Q21 service over the years and it was ignored by GBL?

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 11 12:09:42 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 11:36:59 2020.

I'm not calling out GBL or any one entity.

Often despite any number of studies, there's no way of knowing what a theoretical route would be like if such a route existed. A lot depends on rider familiarity with the route, the frequency, and of course the actual path it takes.

In the coming years, as more people entrust to technology the purpose of planning their route for them, the familiarity aspect will not be an issue (as long as the Internet knows about the route).

But as BusMgr said elsewhere, with regard to the routes formerly run by DOT, things seemed to be restrictive (i.e. GBL couldn't just extend the Q21 because it wanted to). Without knowing or saying fully why, when MTA came in, there was no problem doing that.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 14:29:06 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jan 11 12:09:42 2020.

Iím not concerned with calling out the Green Lines but from the perspective of an actual resident there was little need for a Q21 therefore erratic service. The 35 didnít operate in that manner because there was probably a greater demand for the 35ís service. Even though that could be erratic at times. For the umteenth time the 53 served a specific purpose and it was neutered by whoever by adding those extra stops and making it one long ass local bus as opposed to quasi express.
If you donít live out here I donít think one can fully appreciate the commute especially on public transportation.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BusMgr on Sat Jan 11 14:53:46 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 14:29:06 2020.

Triboro Coach had been considering having a stop at Liberty Avenue (northbound discharge only, southbound pick-up only) so that, for those persons originating in or destined for the Rockaways, connection could be made with Q11 for local stops along Woodhaven Boulevard, while keeping the Q53 an express, using the main roadway. But there was no motivation on the part of Triboro Coach to pursue such a plan, since it would receive thumbs-down from the NYCDOT. So it was never raised. Now that MTA Bus Company has taken over, and that there is no oversight at all from the city (be it the NYCDOT or elsewhere within the Administration, or be it the Council as successor to the Board of Estimate and its Bureau of Franchises), these matters of overreach, fostered by a lack of understanding of the needs of actual residents, will continue to destroy the rest of Queens County with this network "redesign," as was done with Q53.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 16:04:35 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BusMgr on Sat Jan 11 14:53:46 2020.

Thatís a disgrace.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 23:27:30 2020, in response to Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jan 9 17:57:47 2020.

I thought you wrote a nice letter but I also admire the lady that penned the letteríKeep the Q53í


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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 12 08:41:23 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 23:27:30 2020.

Yes, she was good.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BusRider on Sun Jan 12 11:20:34 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

The remix map has been removed.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 12 13:38:20 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BusRider on Sun Jan 12 11:20:34 2020.

Guess they canít get it right.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Jan 12 19:53:55 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jan 12 13:38:20 2020.

They may have had a quick update, it's been accessible most of the day.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Jan 12 20:16:17 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 23:27:30 2020.

If she takes the Q53 to the Q32, then she's going to have to transfer to the Q60 at Queens Center.

I see complaints from people (on the petitions, etc) that aren't paying attention to the map. For example, complaining about the Q32 being "eliminated" when the QT61 is basically the same route from Roosevelt Ave/74th St.



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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 13 08:54:21 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 14:29:06 2020.

While never having resided in the Rockaways, I'm very familiar with the Q53. I've done Q35 to Q53 countless times to get to Central Queens from Southern Brooklyn, both under the old and new Q53 styles, so I know what it's like to get on the northbound Q53 already tired from another bus.

When Triboro operated the route, it was run at much lower frequency than today, and I'd suggest the lack of farebox activity during the nonstop portion of the route played into that a lot. The 6:40a.m. weekday run out of Rockaway Park sometimes already had standees leaving that terminal, and often with people (students often) who live further along the run but backtracked to B 116 to increase chances both of boarding and getting a seat. This run often bypassed potential riders before even reaching Broad Channel.

A lot was riding on having the bus full practically every time it left northbound from Broad Channel (and southbound from Rego Park).

Running it at current frequencies without any turnover along Cross Bay / Woodhaven Blvds would be a giant money drain, so this is what we have.

But to keep it objective, I guess the best questions are:
1) What would be the lowest acceptable frequency if a nonstop-like route was reinstalled? (E.g. Is hourly ok? Or 90 minutes?
2) How full need those nonstop runs be in order that they can be considered justified?

I'd say the answers to those questions are constantly changing based on the route's administration and people's need to travel in general.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 11:34:08 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 13 08:54:21 2020.

At this point the community just needs the bus to remain. The limited or express bus is a memory now but many people, especially students, need that bus to remain.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 12:36:05 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 23:27:30 2020.

Unless she's disabled and therefore unable to use the subway (something that she should have mentioned in her letter), why would she take such a long bus route instead of transferring to the subway at Jackson Heights? And I'm not sure but I think that even today the Q60 would be faster than riding out to the Q32 and then riding the Q32 along Roosevelt.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 12:59:32 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 12:36:05 2020.

My aunt lived in Manhattan her whole adult life until she died. Not disabled. She never took the subway. Bus or Taxi.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 13:23:48 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 12:36:05 2020.

I donít know the answer to that question. It sounds like a torturous trip regardless. If they take the 53 away itíll add time and aggravation to her trip.
And I agree with Joe V I know people especially older women that will not ride on the subway. And honestly they donít have to be disabled to have a hard time with stairs.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 13:30:45 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 13:23:48 2020.

I donít know the answer to that question. It sounds like a torturous trip regardless. If they take the 53 away itíll add time and aggravation to her trip.

Only because the Q53 is being eliminated completely and she will have to take three buses or two buses and the subway to replace it. Of course, while the Q53 to the Q60 is faster for her if she were aware of it, the Q53 to the 7 train is still faster and cutting back the Q53 eliminates that option.

I disagree about "disabled." Being "disabled" doesn't just mean using a wheelchair. If you have trouble walking around relative to the typical person, that's a disability. However, you make a good point, because such a person isn't going to be eligible for paratransit, or reduced fare.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 13:33:41 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 12:59:32 2020.

Manhattan is different.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 13 13:35:46 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 11:34:08 2020.

I agree. Does anyone know if Q52 ridership is really higher than the Q53?

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 13:50:33 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 13:30:45 2020.

I know it doesnít mean just using a wheelchair. Some people donít have the wind to climb up stairs.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 14:04:23 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 13 13:35:46 2020.

Not from what I hear in the neighborhood but I donít have stats.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 14:17:57 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 13:33:41 2020.

She would not have behaved any differently in Queens if she worked for Queens College instead of Hunter.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 14:33:21 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 14:04:23 2020.

Just a guess but I think not. The Q52 is the Johnny-come-lately. Also, as the Q52 serves the Far Rockaway Branch, itís the branch where the subway should be favored.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 14:47:14 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 14:33:21 2020.

Another guess is that itís not taking as many students.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 15:42:17 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 14:47:14 2020.

There seems to be about twice twice as many Q53's as Q52's and it runs all night.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 17:05:56 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 15:42:17 2020.

So that makes it susceptible to being eliminated.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 17:44:59 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 17:05:56 2020.

My (cynical) theory on this is that they're putting this hare-brained proposal into the draft so that Rockaway people will complain about this and mainly this, and they'll restore the Q53 in the final plan, but their other changes will end up flying under the radar. Including cutting back the Q53 to Rego Park and the Q22 cut back and reroute of the Q35 to RBB.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 17:52:49 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 17:05:56 2020.

No, they are getting rid of the stronger one.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 17:55:22 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 17:44:59 2020.

They could say, all right, we'll kill the Q52 instead.

Does Woodhaven Blvd/Queens Mall mean Rego Park ?

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 17:59:29 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 17:55:22 2020.

Yes, that's what I meant by Rego Park. The present terminal of the Q11, Q21 and Q52.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 13 18:56:07 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 13:50:33 2020.

In fact, there's a continuous spectrum from totally fine to totally disabled.

My wife can do stairs. But if she does two flights up of stairs, her knees will really hurt for a day. One flight is less bad but not totally OK, and down ditto.

She's always thinking through the trade-offs. Today we went uptown to 86th and Lex. She wanted to be sure to get there with plenty of time to spare, so she decided we should take the 4/5 and do the flight of stairs up to the 6. If it weren't for the fairly new elevator from the 6 to the street, she probably wouldn't have done it.

But then on the way back, she didn't care how long it took. So we took the 6 back downtown, to avoid the extra flight down to the 4/5.


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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 19:30:20 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 17:55:22 2020.

That sends an equally nasty message to the people that bought new house in the Arverne By the Sea development.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 20:27:37 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 17:44:59 2020.

Hopefully the Rockaway folks will pipe up. They were relatively quiet about those silly bus stop changes they made on the Q22 a little while back.
Add to that how Rockaway has historically been dumped on by politicians and you have a recipe for disaster.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Q23 on Mon Jan 13 22:27:40 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 19:30:20 2020.

Yeah but who is using the Q52 buses from the development. Most of the ridership at Beach 67th tends to be people going to/from north of the (A).

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 22:36:38 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Q23 on Mon Jan 13 22:27:40 2020.

Iíll be very honest and say I have no idea. Iíve never been on that bus. But I imagine that the developers tout that route as an important link to their community to mainland Queens.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 13 23:52:41 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 13 18:56:07 2020.

For some it also depends on the day. Sometimes, I have to stop every few stairs going up and occasionally, I have enough energy to run up the stairs.

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Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 14 00:01:38 2020, in response to Re: Articles and letters from todayís Rockaway papers, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 13 18:56:07 2020.

I believe it my mother is 79 has slowed down in terms of walking long distances and stairs. Let alone the potential crush on a subway train and the lack of manners and respect by younger folks.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 14 12:49:30 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jan 6 13:48:56 2020.

If there are no links from the MTA homepage to the redesign draft proposals, then what are the things I clicked on to find the draft after loading the MTA's homepage?

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jan 14 14:44:47 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 14 12:49:30 2020.

Good Question. I had to search for "bus redesign" . Didn't find it through any links on the site.

https://new.mta.info/queensbusredesign

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 14 16:04:58 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jan 14 14:44:47 2020.

Correct. The redesign page is not linked to either home page in the old or new site. You either have to type it in or search for Queens redesign or something like that, so you already have to know there is a redesign going on to get info on it. No new people will find out about it just by going to the home page. I asked Byford why that is the case and he promised to get back to me with an answer.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by Snilcher on Tue Jan 14 17:19:09 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 17:59:29 2020.

The Queens Center terminus is actually in Elmhurst. And when you talk about Rego Park and the Q53 in the same breath, one can't help but think of the former service to the 63rd Drive subway station, which truly is in Rego Park.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jan 14 18:02:31 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 14 16:04:58 2020.

I wonder if it's to limit extraneous comments and complaints. Everyone loves to complain on the internet, they don't need people who live in other states and countries making suggestions/complaints and "Standing up" for "disadvantaged" bus riders when they've never been here and/or used the bus network.

Kinda, reminds me a little bit of the Long Island Bus Riders Union. They came out of the woodworks to "protect" us from NICE. Making complaints about virtually everything that basically stemmed back to LIB/MTA.
But of course the MTA had our best interest at heart since it's a GOVT agency, but NICE/Veolia is an "evil private corp."

I asked them where were they when LIB buses were breaking down all the time (summer especially), and when people were getting flagged on the N6 all day. Apparently it wasn't a concern because LIB was MTA.

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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jan 14 18:13:50 2020, in response to Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jan 14 18:02:31 2020.

How would posting a link cause extraneous comments? Because everyone would know about the study? Isn't that what should happen?

It's clear that leaflets, signs on buses, and very limited media attention is not enough. If it were, the workshops would be jammed, not have only 30 people attending.

They clearly don't even want to even have the workshops. At the one I attended, there were about ten people waiting to get in. The MTA refused to open the door until the clock reached 6 PM on the dot. Now if they could only run the buses that precisely.

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Maspeth, Glendale Middle Village and Rockaway are not happy either

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 15 10:29:09 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

Maspeth, Glendale and Middle Village.


Rockaway





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Re: Maspeth, Glendale Middle Village and Rockaway are not happy either

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 15 10:33:43 2020, in response to Maspeth, Glendale Middle Village and Rockaway are not happy either, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 15 10:29:09 2020.

Give em hell Lew!

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Re: Maspeth, Glendale Middle Village and Rockaway are not happy either

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jan 15 12:37:24 2020, in response to Maspeth, Glendale Middle Village and Rockaway are not happy either, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 15 10:29:09 2020.

Every community in Queens is crying that they are getting the short end of the stick.

The fact of the matter is most every community in Queens is getting the short end of the stick.


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Re: Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 15 12:52:03 2020, in response to Queens Bus Redesign Draft Proposals, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Dec 30 23:37:03 2019.

As further proof that the MTA has no desire to really inform the public of these changes, the additional workshops shown here:

http://www.mta.info/press-release/nyc-transit/mta-adds-more-outreach-opportunities-public-input-draft-plan-reimagine

have not even been added to the list of workshops on the MTA Redesign page. Some neighborhoods like Astoria have been neglected in hosting workshops. The nearest one will be at the Court Square subway station from 6 to 9 AM for commuters. They don't even tell you where to find it within the subway station. They will probably just set up a table in the middle of the mezzanine to direct people to the website to learn about the plan. Now who will stop by when they are rushing to work?

They just want you to think there is all this outreach so they can say in their final report that they had like 200 workshops and town halls. Their outreach is grossly inefficient which is why 90 percent of the riders will learn about the plan 10 days before it takes effect.

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