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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Nov 18 21:02:24 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Nov 17 15:57:33 2011. Look at the track map. The City Hall station is out of view on the bottom left. The gray dotted lines represent the tracks leading to the lower level of City Hall.The only way a northbound train can terminate at City Hall is if it relays on one of the two tracks at Canal Street Upper. I'm not sure if those tracks can accommodate a 600-foot train. And based on this diagram, between the home signals (B3-189 and B4-189) and the end of the track, I'm estimating that distance to be somewhere between 450 and 500 feet. I just realized that relaying here (assuming trains were short enough to fit on the track), would require a convoluted relay pattern: On B2 approaching Canal Street, switch to B4 pocket, change ends, switch to B3, move the train clear of the switches, change ends again, proceed into B3 pocket, change ends again, switch to B1 for the trip downtown. It would be better to terminate at Whitehall or further uptown, or extend the J to replace the D. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Nov 19 14:42:36 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Nov 18 21:02:24 2011. I realize I remembered the switch locations incorrectly. But having seen trains parked there, I think a full length train would fit.You're right though. It's not an ideal place to turn northbound trains. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 19 22:15:52 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Nov 19 14:42:36 2011. Since the Sixth Avenue closure is listed as: 6 Av 59-W4 Feb 20-24, I would do the following.1) B, C and M trains stop or will have stopped running for this closure. 2) D trains (To/From Bronx) operate local in Manhattan from 155th Street to West 4th Street to Second Avenue, terminate and relay there. 3) D trains (To/From Brooklyn) operate over the Manhattan Bridge and in Brooklyn as usual, however these trains would terminate and relay on the express tracks just north of the West 4th Street station. A cross-platform transfer between the "Bronx D-trains" and the "Brooklyn D-trains" occurs at Broadway-Lafayette Street, helping the riders. 4) F trains to/from Queens and Brooklyn would travel over the 53rd Street tunnel/line to the Eighth Avenue line running as a local. At West 4th Street - F-trains would resume their normal route. 5) A trains would run express along the Eighth Avenue line in Manhattan for the duration of this closure, but would however stop at 155th Street and 163rd Street stations. 6) E trains would travel over the 63rd Street tunnel and up/down the BMT Broadway (N,Q,R) line as a local to the Whitehall Street station. 7) The Spring Street station would be closed for the duration of this closure, however a shuttle bus would operate between the Spring Street station and the Canal Street station for transfers to/from the A-train. 8) At the 57th Street-Seventh Avenue station, considering the frequencies of the trains from 10pm to 5am, both E and Q trains should be able to operate smoothly (E-trains through-running & track switching) and (Q-trains - terminating & relaying). In this case, where Q-trains leave just one/two minutes after entering the 57th Street station. Or Q-trains terminate on the express tracks at 4nd Street. Anyway those are my ideas of what to do for the Sixth Avenue closure. Mike |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Nov 19 22:21:11 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 19 22:15:52 2011. The closure takes place from 10 PM to 5 AM, not 24/7.The only difference vs. today is all tracks get taken out, rather than 1 at a time. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Nov 20 04:51:37 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Michael549 on Tue Nov 15 01:45:42 2011. How about this:6th Avenue closure (A) express 145 - Canal, otherwise normal (C) 205 St - 2 Av (D) Stillwell - W 4 (E) normal (F) Stillwell - W 4 (Q) Stillwell - 179 St via 63 St, express to 71 Av-Continental Av |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Nov 20 07:31:51 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. When I first heard about this, it sounded like each line would be shut down once a year for four nights. But no, they are saying that each of the four lines will be shut down four times a year (once each quarter), for four consecutive nights each time. What kind of maintenance work requires this, and if it is really needed, how have they gotten by all these years without doing it? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 20 12:40:25 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Nov 20 04:51:37 2011. Please note that in both cases, I believe that we are proposing that the D-train is running along Eighth Avenue - even if that was not stated at the beginning.I thought about the D, E and F trains all running local from 59th Street to West 4th Street - and I thought would be a bit much. I also wanted to not change the usual running of each line as much as possible, while providing connections among the various segments. The Spring Street station was a difficult one to provide service to, if the A and E trains were not running or running express. Nor did I really want to create a hybrid line - merging the Q-train with something like the E or F. Can be confusing to the riders. Plus running the E-train down the BMT Broadway line to Whitehall Street is the accepted option when it can not run down Eighth Avenue. This is an interesting exercise showing both the flexibility as well as the limitations. Mike |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Nov 20 18:05:36 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Nov 19 22:21:11 2011. For the 6th Ave closure (Bet: 57th & w4), I would have:A train: Normal late night service. D Train: Bedford Park Blvd to WTC via 8th Ave Local. E Train: Normal Service From Jamaica Center to West 4th Street then Rutgers and Culver to Coney Island. F train: Normal Service in Queens, 63rd street, Broadway, 4th Ave and West End to Coney Island. For 8th ave closure(Bet 59th & Jay): A train: 6th Ave Local to Jay Street, Fulton St Local. D Train: Normal Service. E Train: 53rd Street, 6th Ave local to Church Ave. (Terminating at 2nd ave may cause A and F issues) F train: Normal Service If they need to limit switching of the Rutgers Cranberry switch at Jay street Then Plan B: A train: Normal service to 59th Street, 6th Ave Local to Jay Street, Fulton St Local. D Train: Normal Service. E Train: Jamaica Center - Coney Island Via Crosstown and Culver. F train: Normal Service 179th St to Jay Street. Fulton Local to Euclid. Plan C: A train: Normal service to 59th Street, 6th Ave Local to Jay Street, Fulton St Local. D Train: Normal Service. E Train: Jamaica Center - 6th Ave Local via 63rd st to 2nd Ave. F train: Jamaica 179th st to Coney island via Crosstown. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Nov 20 18:30:02 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 20 12:40:25 2011. The (D) and (F) would not run north of W 4 St in my plan8th Avenue would only have the (A)(express),(C)(local), and (E)(local) trains running overnight (the (C) would run on Concourse replacing the (D) since it would be the same thing as a (D) via 8 Av local). Spring Street will always have service, either the (E) alone, or the (C) and (E) if the (C) terminates at World Trade Center with the (E) overnight instead of 2 Av. Change is not always a problem, look at the new (2) and (5) GOs they keep their Manhattan Trunk and swapped their terminals on both ends. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Nov 20 20:11:27 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Nov 13 08:48:14 2011. If they were doing it north of 42nd. They wouldn't have to shut the entire line. Most of the Lex line north of 42nd st has the Express and Local tracks on different levels. They could shut down the Express tracks for 4 consecutive nights. Then the Next Quarter, they could shut down the Local Tracks for 4 consecutive nights. People will just have to get from 125th, 86th, and 59th streets.They could take the M15 SBS, and/or the M72, M96 etc to the West side subway lines. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 20 20:12:10 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Nov 20 18:30:02 2011. Often times the outer borough terminals of many routes is not always a big deal especially if the basic Manhattan route of the line stays the same.In the 1980's the MTA switched the terminals of the #2, #3, #4 and #5 lines where instead of #3 and #4 trains heading to Flatbush Avenue, they head to Utica and New Lots Avenue. Also the N and R trains switched their Queens terminals - making the N-train the required 24/7/365 service instead of the long-time R-route. In the 1990's the MTA switched the terminals of the B and C trains, much to the chagrin of many transit fans, since it really made more sense to pair the A and C trains closely with each other. Recently the B and D trains switched trunk lines in Brooklyn - the D train was switched off the Brighton Beach line to the West End line since full-time non-shuttle service was needed (and requested) there. However in all of the above cases, the basic Manhattan routes of these did not change. The only recent example of a Manhattan line route change is that of the M-train which used to travel on the Nassau Street line, and now travels on the Sixth Avenue line. Purely just as an exercise for the over-night closure periods recently discussed by the MTA - I'd prefer to retain the basic understandings. I tend to like using the rider's understanding of the system to help guide them through the system, reducing frustration. These days most riders "know" that the C-train does not travel to/from the Bronx - so there's no advantage to sending C-train there. (Yes, we historical type transit buffs "know" that the C and CC routes originally started in the Bronx, but that was a long time ago.) That is the same reason behind my not having the Q-train extended to 179th Street - most riders don't expect to see Q-trains on the Queens Blvd line - and might be hesitate to use it. Most Brooklyn IRT riders "know" what a #4 or a #5 train is, and generally where it is headed, even though this particular G.O. has been running for a few weekends or nights. So even if they are "used to" a #2 or #3 train stopping at certain stations, and a #4 or #5 is stopping there over the weekend - there are simple directions to reach the westside. This exercise is an interesting one - because there is the chance to think about "what you would do", while also recognizing that REAL PEOPLE (with their own understandings of transit, and their own transit needs) have to try to get where they are going during these periodic line/segment closings. There's a competing tendency to want to reduce the amount of train routes that would run, and to cover as many stations as possible with their usual service. There's the wish to want to "throw - away" the current subway map to create something different, as well as the impulse to not "tinker too much" where the riders revolt and grab pitchforks. An interesting project. The Eighth Avenue line closure is also a tough one to implement. Especially when trying to implement the "alternative travel methods" and services. All in all an interesting exercise. Mike |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Nov 20 20:13:00 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Nov 20 18:30:02 2011. These line shut downs are from 10PM to 5Am, no? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 20 20:16:54 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Nov 20 20:11:27 2011. From a previous message:"down the Express tracks for 4 consecutive nights. Then the Next Quarter, they could shut down the Local Tracks for 4 consecutive nights. People will just have to get from 125th, 86th, and 59th streets. They could take the M15 SBS, and/or the M72, M96 etc to the West side subway lines." There have been plenty of G.O.'s over the decades where say the downtown local track is closed off - all trains run express downtown. Or all trains run uptown express while the local track is worked on. Since the express tracks on Lexington Avenue are generally not used during the midnight hours - there's less of a need to go through a major act of "closing" them off from traffic for repair jobs. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 20 20:17:29 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Nov 20 20:13:00 2011. These line shut downs are from 10PM to 5Am, no?Yes, that is the time period that is discussed. Mike |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 21 11:54:14 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Nov 16 15:09:22 2011. No need to have the M run via Nassau, the J can be extended to cover for the D in Brooklyn in that scenario. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 21 12:03:16 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 19 22:15:52 2011. Perhaps what could also be done during that period is to have J service extended to cover the D in Brooklyn and have M service run through the night, going via the C from West 4th-50th and then via the B to 145 and D to 205 to replace the D.There would be no B, C or D service during these hours (J replaces D in Brooklyn, M operates all night and replaces D in Manhattan via 8th Avenue with the transfer between the D replacements at Essex Street), but Mike's ideas otherwise do make sense. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon Nov 21 12:22:18 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 20 20:17:29 2011. Sorry I'm thinking of another post where I saw the C and B trains mentioned |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 21 13:10:17 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 20 20:12:10 2011. As said:As I would do it, the D would NOT run at all, nor would the B or C during this. The J would be extended to replace the D in Brooklyn while the M would run all night and replace the D in the Bronx (running via the C to 145). Transfer between the two would be at Essex, and the Fulton Street J station would be open all night to allow those on the 7th Avenue line to transfer from the 2 to the J at Fulton. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 21 13:24:42 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Nov 20 18:05:36 2011. My thoughts for the 6th Avenue closure (57th-West 4th Street):B, C & D not running J extended and replaces D in South Brooklyn M runs all night, runs via C from West 4th-145th and replaces D in the Bronx. (Transfer between J/M at Essex Street, Fulton Street J station open to allow for transfer from 2/4 to J there). E via Broadway to Whitehall via 63rd Street tunnel. F via 53rd and 8th Avenue to West 4th, normal service to Brooklyn. 8th Avenue Closure (59th-Jay Street): A runs normal service to 59th and from Jay Street, via D then F between those two points. D and F run normal service. J runs as a loop line to and from Jamaica Center, running via the M from Essex-71st Continental and E thereafter. Shuttle replaces J between Essex and Chambers. Given the hours this would be done, you could get away with three locals (A, F and J) at Broadway-Lafayette. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Nov 21 16:21:09 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Nov 20 20:13:00 2011. Yes, but I would run the (C) overnight to replace the upper portion of the (D). |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon Nov 21 16:24:20 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 21 11:54:14 2011. M would have to be cut because of capacity on 8th. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Nov 21 19:00:17 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Nov 21 16:21:09 2011. Why not the B? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 22 01:02:34 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Nov 21 19:00:17 2011. And I would have neither:I would have D out of the equation entirely by having the J extended to Brooklyn to cover for the D and the M running all night and using that to replace the D in upper Manhattan and the Bronx (but running as a local on CPW). |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 00:09:40 2011, in response to MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Gold_12TH on Sat Nov 12 09:22:58 2011. They just released the brochure for the Lexington Avenue Line closure for this January. Let's just say that I called it. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 00:18:28 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 21 12:03:16 2011. My, my… People are ending the M all over the place! Forest Hills, Roosevelt Island, Harlem, up the Grand Concourse…Next thing you know, someone will post about a hare-brained scheme to send the M up to Yonkers! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 00:18:44 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 21 12:03:16 2011. My, my… People are sending the M all over the place! Forest Hills, Roosevelt Island, Harlem, up the Grand Concourse…Next thing you know, someone will post about a hare-brained scheme to send the M up to Yonkers! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 19 04:31:47 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 00:18:28 2011. Nah, it's only Wallyhorse. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon Dec 19 20:28:46 2011, in response to They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 00:09:40 2011. How do I find the brochure? I have already checked the MTA's site. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon Dec 19 20:36:36 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Dec 19 20:28:46 2011. Found It |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Mon Dec 19 22:02:04 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Dec 19 20:36:36 2011. The most logical alternative for through passengers is the NRQ lines. But after 11:30, when the 4/6 run local every 10 minutes, only the N will be running from 59th & Lex, every 20 minutes. Shouldn't the Q be extended to Astoria for at least part of the overnight to match N/Q frequencies with the 4/6? |
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Posted by Train2104 on Mon Dec 19 22:25:42 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by Italianstallion on Mon Dec 19 22:02:04 2011. Let's see how many errors I can find on that map...-4 and 6 run local north of GCT. Not shown. -What's with the double station symbols at Utica? -Transfer line at 4 Av/9 St still shown but the stations aren't |
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Posted by gbs on Mon Dec 19 22:55:33 2011, in response to They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 00:09:40 2011. Besides the brochure being very hard to find on mta.info, it is unclear exactly when the outage will begin and end."Weeknights 10 PM to 5 AM • Mon to Fri" could mean that it actually begins on Sunday night at 10 through 5 am Monday, or that it begins at 10 on Monday night. The last night could be Thursday at 10 through 5 am Friday, or Friday at 10 through 5 am Saturday. Either way, either some Sunday or Saturday hours are involved, so "Mon to Fri" is not sufficiently explanatory. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 23:32:59 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by Italianstallion on Mon Dec 19 22:02:04 2011. Simply take the N or Q to Times Square for the 7 or S. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 23:34:16 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Dec 19 20:36:36 2011. You could have also tried visiting one of the affected stations. That's where I got my copy of the information. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 19 23:45:42 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 23:32:59 2011. So 2 train changes in the middle of the night instead of one? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Dec 20 00:25:16 2011, in response to They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 00:09:40 2011. No word on whether they'll be increasing service on the supplement lines. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 20 01:51:33 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 23:34:16 2011. That doesn't do those of us outside the NYC area any good. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 20 01:52:21 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by Italianstallion on Mon Dec 19 22:02:04 2011. I was thinking the same thing. Maybe even just to QBP instead of Astoria would be a huge help. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Dec 20 02:22:20 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by gbs on Mon Dec 19 22:55:33 2011. Yes it was difficult to find the brochure. I believe they mention the exact dates involved. Though, just mentioning "weeknights" omits Sat and Sunday completely. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Dec 20 02:25:15 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 20 01:51:33 2011. Yeah, I don't go to Manhattan frequently, and when I do go, I use the the IND or drive. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 20 14:40:04 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Dec 20 01:52:21 2011. Sure. They can turn at QBP. |
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Re: NYCT's Subway Line Segment Closure Program - 11/2011 {pdf document} |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Dec 20 19:44:41 2011, in response to Re: NYCT's Subway Line Segment Closure Program - 11/2011 {pdf document}, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Nov 15 23:36:38 2011. Which line is supposed to be shut down north of 179th street? (Page 12) |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 20 21:44:59 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Dec 20 00:25:16 2011. Somehow reading what has been provided in this message stream, and looking at the map - I don't think supplemental service on other lines will be provided.I note the following: a) the MTA website on this issue wants riders to know that the Q-train terminates at 57th Street-7th Avenue from 11:30 PM to 5 AM - which except for the first hour and a half - the majority of the time that the Lexington Avenue - Park Avenue South shut-down occurs - the Q-train's usefulness is reduced. Meaning that only the N-train really offers an effective "end-to-end" alternative for Manhattan/Brooklyn riders. Riders could transfer to the N-train for travel to both downtown to get near the closed stations, AND to Brooklyn for a transfer to/from #2 and #3 trains to complete their journey. b) The absence of any bus information that might cover the closed stations or nearby areas. For example the Herald Square stations is mentioned as a replacement for the 33rd Street local station - since they are about a 1/2 mile apart. The 28th Street stations are about 1/3 of a mile apart. I suppose all within walking guidelines. It is as if - they are closing the downtown Lexington Avenue stations for this project - but otherwise not making any other changes except extending the #3 to/from Brooklyn, or running the 42nd Street Shuttle all night. Turning the #5 into a Dyre shuttle is simply a usual practice of the MTA - no points there. Suggestions to run the Q-train to Queensboro Plaza, or provide other resources - meaning using more manpower. I suspect one effort is to use as little extra manpower or resources as possible for this endeavor. Just my thoughts. Mike |
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Re: NYCT's Subway Line Segment Closure Program - 11/2011 {pdf document} |
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Posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Tue Dec 20 21:58:07 2011, in response to Re: NYCT's Subway Line Segment Closure Program - 11/2011 {pdf document}, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Dec 20 19:44:41 2011. This is where the 'F' train goes into a relay (2 inner tracks - upper level, 2 lower tracks - lower level). Therefore, they will just close one of the levels, resulting in all of the trains relaying on just ONE level compared to two. |
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Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK… |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Dec 21 00:44:41 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 20 21:44:59 2011. I think that's also why it says that it may add 20 mins to the commute since thats the usually headway at night for all line. |
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Re: NYCT's Subway Line Segment Closure Program - 11/2011 {pdf document} |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Dec 27 21:48:19 2011, in response to Re: NYCT's Subway Line Segment Closure Program - 11/2011 {pdf document}, posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Tue Dec 20 21:58:07 2011. Oh ok, they didn't put which line it was. |
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Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK… |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Dec 27 22:25:34 2011, in response to They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 19 00:09:40 2011. Is anyone going to monitor the events? Like the exchange of passengers at 59th and Lex, etc? |
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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Train2104 on Tue Dec 27 22:31:10 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 14 15:37:27 2011. My prediction for the 7 Av express:(1)(2) turns at 34th (4)(5) Extended to Brooklyn (3) suspended, buses for the 2 Harlem stops. |
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Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK… |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 28 02:01:39 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Dec 27 22:25:34 2011. No doubt.... |
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Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK… |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Dec 28 13:25:24 2011, in response to Re: They're Calling It FASTRACK…, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 28 02:01:39 2011. Nice, on the first night? |
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