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Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 20 20:12:10 2011, in response to Re: MTA overnight fixes in 2012 will shut down Manhattan subway lines for up to 4 days in a row, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Nov 20 18:30:02 2011. Often times the outer borough terminals of many routes is not always a big deal especially if the basic Manhattan route of the line stays the same.In the 1980's the MTA switched the terminals of the #2, #3, #4 and #5 lines where instead of #3 and #4 trains heading to Flatbush Avenue, they head to Utica and New Lots Avenue. Also the N and R trains switched their Queens terminals - making the N-train the required 24/7/365 service instead of the long-time R-route. In the 1990's the MTA switched the terminals of the B and C trains, much to the chagrin of many transit fans, since it really made more sense to pair the A and C trains closely with each other. Recently the B and D trains switched trunk lines in Brooklyn - the D train was switched off the Brighton Beach line to the West End line since full-time non-shuttle service was needed (and requested) there. However in all of the above cases, the basic Manhattan routes of these did not change. The only recent example of a Manhattan line route change is that of the M-train which used to travel on the Nassau Street line, and now travels on the Sixth Avenue line. Purely just as an exercise for the over-night closure periods recently discussed by the MTA - I'd prefer to retain the basic understandings. I tend to like using the rider's understanding of the system to help guide them through the system, reducing frustration. These days most riders "know" that the C-train does not travel to/from the Bronx - so there's no advantage to sending C-train there. (Yes, we historical type transit buffs "know" that the C and CC routes originally started in the Bronx, but that was a long time ago.) That is the same reason behind my not having the Q-train extended to 179th Street - most riders don't expect to see Q-trains on the Queens Blvd line - and might be hesitate to use it. Most Brooklyn IRT riders "know" what a #4 or a #5 train is, and generally where it is headed, even though this particular G.O. has been running for a few weekends or nights. So even if they are "used to" a #2 or #3 train stopping at certain stations, and a #4 or #5 is stopping there over the weekend - there are simple directions to reach the westside. This exercise is an interesting one - because there is the chance to think about "what you would do", while also recognizing that REAL PEOPLE (with their own understandings of transit, and their own transit needs) have to try to get where they are going during these periodic line/segment closings. There's a competing tendency to want to reduce the amount of train routes that would run, and to cover as many stations as possible with their usual service. There's the wish to want to "throw - away" the current subway map to create something different, as well as the impulse to not "tinker too much" where the riders revolt and grab pitchforks. An interesting project. The Eighth Avenue line closure is also a tough one to implement. Especially when trying to implement the "alternative travel methods" and services. All in all an interesting exercise. Mike |
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