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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 14 07:36:30 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 17:57:26 2011.

Geez...again? The 1999 job was no good? TWELVE years later, it needs to be "stabilized"? DAMN!!!

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 14 07:43:22 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Nov 11 21:14:40 2011.

I intend no disrespect to you, but I disagree. if they'd closed the line, it would likely NEVER have been replaced with anything. Similar promises were made with other closrues, and peoples' trust utterly betrayed. Two brief examples- the Manhattan portion of the Third and Second Ave Els was to be replaced with the SAS. Even in a best case sceanario, only a little bit of that line will ever be built- DECADES after the closures of the Els.

The Bronx portion of the # Ave El was to be replaced with rapid transit in the Harlem Line. We didn't get that, either. I have no reason to be confident that the Franklin Shuttle would be repalced with anything if it was closed.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 14 07:44:23 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 12 23:21:43 2011.

They appear at the site of water main breaks. Really.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 08:43:44 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 12 23:49:02 2011.

Sounds like one of the many fake "holding companies" ... which is curious because it isn't them that gets left "holding" it. :)

What makes it sound like a "fake 'holding company'"?

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 08:46:19 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 12 23:21:43 2011.

JUDLAU Contracting did the Franklin Shuttle in 1998-99. Anyone ever hear of this outfit?

Yes. They've worked/are working a couple of subway projects here and there...

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 08:49:11 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 14 07:44:23 2011.

They appear at the site of water main breaks. Really.

If so, they probably have an on-call repair contract with NYCDEP.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 09:05:19 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 11 18:17:10 2011.

"Cellular" concrete is typically suitable for a driveway, not so much for things that are heavier than a Toyota ...

No, cellular concrete can easily be made to have compressive strength of up to 3000 psi. The pressure over an R-68 truck is (very roughly) 20 psi.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 14 09:06:57 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 08:43:44 2011.

Exactly what I asked him but he ignored me because he's an idiot and a dishonest person and he's too stubborn to admit that he's usually wrong and that I'm usually right.

Huh? What are you going on about now?

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 14 09:08:08 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 08:46:19 2011.

Apparently the neanderthal "elkeeper" hasn't heard of GOOGLE...

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 14 09:08:56 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 09:05:19 2011.

OH man, you pwn3d him good! Excellent work!!

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Nov 14 09:08:58 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 14 07:43:22 2011.

What you say is correct, but of course first the new line would have had to be built, then the old line closed. This was entirely possible. You are 100% right about what went on with the other lines that were closed.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 14 09:11:16 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 14 07:43:22 2011.



I intend no disrespect to you, but I disagree

Why do you intend no disrespect? Joe Saitta has been disrespecting all the members of this forum for years. He's also been pwn3d by many of the members of this forum for years :)

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Nov 14 09:11:51 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 12 21:54:22 2011.

Am I correct about assuming that the "Fonzie" you're referring to is the same character now out to destroy LI Bus for a commission for his firm?

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 14 11:07:50 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 12 23:21:43 2011.

Yes, they did the Nassau Line realignment in Manhattan and several other projects.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 14 13:01:26 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Nov 14 09:11:51 2011.

If so, he's confused about his role in the political process, or doesn't vote. That man was never Governor.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Nov 14 13:13:54 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 14 13:01:26 2011.

That's correct, but, I believe, although I could be wrong, that D'Amato may have also been referred to as Fonzie. His main "title," however, was "Senator Pothole."

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by heypaul on Mon Nov 14 13:25:45 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 08:46:19 2011.

More than a couple. From their website, here's a list of current and past projects.

Judlau

Click on VIEW ALL for a fuller list of completed and current projects.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 14:54:13 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 08:43:44 2011.

If you've been following the MTA construction adventures, a few companies with contracts got nailed for various bits of fraud and then turned around, changed their name and became somebody else. Some primary contractors have also set up fake subsidiaries to up the costs of contracts let ... happens often and makes the papers.

And terrortwad is an idiot. Heh.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 14:58:53 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Nov 14 09:11:51 2011.

That's the one ... the one who gave us Paturkey and numerous other treats. He gave NYCT Bombardier AND Alstom ... "lobbyist" ... heh.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 14:59:44 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 14 13:01:26 2011.

Not at all confused ... puppeteers prefer to work behind the curtain and yet they STILL get caught. :)

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 15:01:05 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 09:05:19 2011.

It *can* be made ... operative phrase. If you look into the failure modes in the contract though, you'll see that in this case, it wasn't at all. That's why it's got to be replaced. It's all about how it's mixed and how it's reinforced.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 15:04:50 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 14:54:13 2011.

If you've been following the MTA construction adventures, a few companies with contracts got nailed for various bits of fraud and then turned around, changed their name and became somebody else. Some primary contractors have also set up fake subsidiaries to up the costs of contracts let ... happens often and makes the papers.

If you mean Schiavone, they were bought out by Dragados. Another Spanish company, OHL Group, owns a controlling stake of Judlau as of last year, but Judlau has been Judlau since its founding in 1983.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 14 15:20:54 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 13 10:35:08 2011.

Incisive repartee, Terp.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 15:25:01 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 15:04:50 2011.

There's a bunch of others in that boat. They've even been reported here recently, particularly the "fake subsidiary" thing within the last few months. And not just the subway contracts.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 15:25:27 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Nov 14 15:20:54 2011.

It's what he does. LOL

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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 14 15:29:25 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 14:54:13 2011.

If you mean that you are an idiot, then yes, that is correct.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 15:34:30 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 15:25:01 2011.

There's a bunch of others in that boat. They've even been reported here recently, particularly the "fake subsidiary" thing within the last few months. And not just the subway contracts.

What "boat," being bought out? There's nothing fraudulent about that. I must have missed the fake subsidiary discussion, and a Google search of the site turns up nothing.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 15:46:06 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 15:01:05 2011.

It *can* be made ... operative phrase. If you look into the failure modes in the contract though, you'll see that in this case, it wasn't at all. That's why it's got to be replaced. It's all about how it's mixed and how it's reinforced.

Obviously, but that contradicts your original point that "'Cellular' concrete is typically suitable for a driveway." I haven't seen the contract, but I do have a fairly detailed handout on the project that Mysore Nagaraja gave out to my civil engineering class at the time. I'll see if I can find it.

Recall that both of the two big materials testing labs in New York were just exposed for falsifying reports. If the poor quality of the concrete is indeed the result of some kind of fraudulent activity, that's where I would look first.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 16:50:00 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 15:34:30 2011.

Finding things in here is a pain in the butt, but the posts here originated from a few of these reports in the papers:

http://www.google.com/search?q=mta+construction+fraud

And there's been plnty of fraud elsewhere outside the MTA as well ... I kinda put it all in one 5 lb bag. :)

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 16:52:55 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 15:46:06 2011.

Perhaps the "cellular" concrete I've seen done was around here. They use it for driveways. As to the concrete testing labs, read that too. I recall some fun with Yankee stadium as well as far as bad cement went. And yeah, while the labs are definitely culpable, one would think that a construction firm and their vendors would know how to do a proper mix, no? Then the lab wouldn't have to be falsifying anything to get paid.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 17:22:45 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 16:50:00 2011.

Finding things in here is a pain in the butt, but the posts here originated from a few of these reports in the papers:

OK, so Schiavone and Slattery Skanska created minority-owned subsidiaries to satisfy MBE requirements. That has nothing to with Judlau or the quality of the Franklin Shuttle concrete, though.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 17:26:46 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 16:52:55 2011.

Perhaps the "cellular" concrete I've seen done was around here. They use it for driveways.

It comes in all kinds of compressive strengths.

As to the concrete testing labs, read that too. I recall some fun with Yankee stadium as well as far as bad cement went. And yeah, while the labs are definitely culpable, one would think that a construction firm and their vendors would know how to do a proper mix, no? Then the lab wouldn't have to be falsifying anything to get paid.

Yankee Stadium was American Standard Testing & Consulting. The concrete is mixed at the plant, which isn't owned by the contractor. The contractor has to rely on the materials inspector to certify the mix. The contractor has no way of knowing if the concrete supplier is skimping on the mix and the testing lab isn't paying attention (or worse, is in cahoots with the supplier).

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 17:59:28 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 17:22:45 2011.

Dunno who did the Frankie, and what I pointed to was merely one episode that was reported and made it here ... there were others. Since nothing makes it this far north, I don't really track the subways beyond what I see here ...

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 18:02:18 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Nov 14 17:26:46 2011.

Wellll ... like I said, we've seen many adventures around here with "cellular concrete" pours and it's widely popular for low cost, lots of air trapped driveway like things. I think they even did some at the hairport here for runway overruns where the plane is supposed to sink into the ground before hitting the trees. That's the "cellular" concrete we've heard about up here.

I didn't go down to the Frankie and do any test bores, but if 10 year old concrete is falling apart, and it's "cellular" then seemed pretty safe to assume that what was poured there was crap ...

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Nov 15 14:03:07 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Nov 12 21:52:45 2011.

Well, the trackways in the 63rd St tunnels had to be redone in, what, after 3 years or so? So 13 years isn't too bad :)

--Mark

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 16 08:02:07 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon Nov 14 09:08:58 2011.

Of course, the right way to replace something antiquated is to keep the old running until the new is ready. But that's just not the NYC way, unfortunately. The way around here is destroy the old, with a vague promise of something new and wonderful, then have a financial crisis, the new facility never gets built (ex: local service on the Harlem Line), or built decades later, and inadequately at that. Examples- SAS and Archer Ave Extension.

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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Nov 27 11:46:20 2011, in response to Details about : " STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY" project, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 17:47:42 2011.

Budgeted cost : $26,720,000

Construction begins : December 2011

Construction ends : February 2014

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 27 12:43:05 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Nov 27 11:46:20 2011.

If its a 14-month project, shouldn't that be "February 2013?

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Posted by vfrt on Sun Nov 27 12:47:17 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Nov 27 11:46:20 2011.

Scarce transit $$$ can be better spent elsewhere. Tear it down this time or be prepared to 'rebuild' it every 15 years. A waste of money. Eliminating it would improve the heavily used Brighton Line by being able to move the switches to north of the Prospect Park station, speeding up that bottleneck.

Replace the 'S' with a B48 bus extended to Parkside Ave & Ocean Avenue.

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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 27 12:59:35 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by vfrt on Sun Nov 27 12:47:17 2011.

The nieighborhood will not allow it just the way they didn't allow it to be shut down the first time. The line has good ridership, ride it sometime.

Where does your 15 year theory come from?

I have no iead what you're talking about speeding up a bottleneck. It has nothing to do with the Franklin Shuttle.

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Posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Nov 27 13:28:00 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 27 12:43:05 2011.

Not on the MTA's Capital Program Dashboard, it listed 2014.... unless its changed.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 27 16:50:59 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 27 12:59:35 2011.

I don't know what he is talking about either.

The merging/separating of B and Q trains at the Prospect Park station would have to be done, period. If it is suggested that it would be better to allow Q-trains to enter the Prospect Park station platform (formerly the shuttle platform and THEN merge with the express track - there is the little problem of the differing elevations of the tracks near the north end of the Prospect Park station. A similar problem exists on the Brooklyn-bound side of the station.

Even if the tracks were always on the same level, a bottleneck situation would still be present. For example, look at the Canal Street station on the A and C lines, where A and C trains have to merge and separate to/from the local and express tracks. Trains still sometimes have to wait outside the station, when one train is switching from one track to another.

Just why should Brooklyn riders have to travel into Manhattan (or almost practically into/near Manhattan) just to make connections? One major feature of the Franklin Shuttle is that it keeps local Brooklyn rider traffic local. The bus substitutions don't really help plenty of riders, when used as a replacement for the Franklin Shuttle.

Just my thoughts.
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Nov 27 17:00:35 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by vfrt on Sun Nov 27 12:47:17 2011.

It would nice if the FS got extended to the unused upper level on the Mtyle Ave station on the (J) line someday. With stops between Fulton Street and Mtyle of course. The NIMBY would probably block it though, as it would be a EL for the entire extension.

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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 27 18:25:20 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Nov 27 17:00:35 2011.

Actually there were plans to extend Fkln north from its present terminal but at the time it was originally proposed it would have involved extensive reconstruction of the line in the area of Franklin/Fulton since the Fulton St el which was at one time connected to the Franklin was at the same grade level as the Franklin. If I recall correctly, one such proposal would have the crosstown line proceed as an el along unnamed streets and eventually connect to the station complex at Qnsbro Plaza where there is a provision in the structure east of the station for some sort of elevated line.

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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Nov 27 18:35:41 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 27 18:25:20 2011.

The brt/bmt plan was to extend down bedford ave as a combo subway/EL to QB plaza basically following what is now the G line.

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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Nov 27 19:20:07 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 27 18:25:20 2011.

You mean the old tailtrack structure for BMT subway cars, prior to 1949?

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Nov 27 19:54:52 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 27 12:59:35 2011.

Then e neighborhood should pay for it.

I am in support of rebuilding as trains are far more reliable then buses but I am tired of people who pay nothing into its operating cost demanding things.

If transit riders had to shoulder all the costs of the criminal union work rules in the co tract you would see how fast opto would be rolled out. In NYC, far to many people are takers tax wise and not payers so they just want more more more because they're motoring the full cost of the operations

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Nov 27 19:59:58 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Gold_12TH on Sun Nov 27 11:46:20 2011.

This would cost half as much if the fade unions would take reasonable pay and work rules changed,

The head of mta construction was quoted as saying that the boring machine digging the Sas has more than double the staffing as the same machine digging a similr tunnel in Spain due to staffing requirements pushed thru by unions.

It's criminal.

The mta is a loss in confidence in bind investors millisecond away for imploding under debt. The labor unions are banking on the state bailing them out. It won't happend. There will be massive service cuts and layoffs to the likes never seen before. I hope all mta employees understand this and tell tier labor leaders to help avoid this by supporting common sense work rule reforms such a opto, new job descriptions for station agents , bus integration etc . The day of recognize is closer then you think

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Nov 27 20:02:57 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Nov 27 19:59:58 2011.

The labor leaders are Marxist socialists . I am sure most mta employees are just everyday people looking to live a peaceful life. Take a look at the ussr, Cuba, china before the capitalist renaissance . All poor as dirt, hungry. The socialist gravy train just gets fatter and fatter until the gravy train end under crushing debt

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Nov 27 20:03:57 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Nov 27 20:02:57 2011.

Please be quiet thanks..

Did you watch Tim Tebow work his Magic??

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