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Details about : " STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY" project

Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 17:47:42 2011

C34796
STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY
$10M - $50M

This project will stabilize the Franklin Avenue Shuttle structure. The Franklin Avenue Shuttle line is located in the borough of Brooklyn, extends from Prospect Park Station located at the intersection of Flatbush Avenue and Empire Boulevard to the Franklin Avenue Station near the intersection of Franklin Avenue and Atlantic Avenue. This project will remove poor quality cellular concrete fill and replace with light weight concrete. Work will also include the removal and installation of tracks, ties and ballast. The signal cables and wayside equipment will be protected by sheeting. Some of the track segments will not be remediated, however they will have ballast added and tamping. The following track segments to be remediated include:

• 150 feet within Prospect Place bridge and St. Marks Ave. bridge
• 250 feet within St. Marks Ave. bridge and Bergen Street bridge
• 190 feet within Bergen Street bridge and Dean Street bridge
• 180 feet within Dean Street bridge and Pacific Street bridge
• 240 within Atlantic Ave. bridge and Lefferts Place bridge

Duration of Contract 14 Months

Source: http://www.mta.info/mta/capital/eotf-descrip.htm#nyct

Déjà vu all over again?

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 17:57:26 2011, in response to Details about : " STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY" project, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 17:47:42 2011.

SMH WTF It is a repeat? I did not realize the shuttle needs major work again... With this money, lets extend it to Bedford and Nostrand.... But seriously if they knew that there was "poor quality concrete" who is responsible for maintaining the route.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 11 18:09:44 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 17:57:26 2011.

the question should be who tested the concrete& why was it pa$$ed?

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 11 18:17:10 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 11 18:09:44 2011.

Probably met spec when it was installed. "Cellular" concrete is typically suitable for a driveway, not so much for things that are heavier than a Toyota ...

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 11 18:19:20 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 11 18:17:10 2011.

if thats the case,they should have known that before they poured.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 11 18:31:09 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 11 18:19:20 2011.

Contractors can only bid and perform on the detailed specifications submitted to them. I know NOTHING about what happened, but if those were the specs, then they *had* to build as specified. If those WEREN'T the specs, then somebody was asleep at the switch on "acceptance."

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Nov 11 18:55:30 2011, in response to Details about : " STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY" project, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 17:47:42 2011.

Should extend the platforms so 600' trains can berth for Brighton thru service to Fulton if there's ever a problem again with the Manny B or just routine fusterclucks at DeKalb.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by error46146 on Fri Nov 11 18:58:49 2011, in response to Details about : " STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY" project, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 17:47:42 2011.

How about extend the platforms as well?

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Posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 19:04:24 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by error46146 on Fri Nov 11 18:58:49 2011.

Why?

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 19:07:39 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Nov 11 18:55:30 2011.

I can understand G.O. that had the Q terminating at Prospect Park or I always felt that Shuttle service should be extend during peak hours to Brighton Beach and extend to B to Coney Island, but overall, I don't see beyond those ideas if it is cost worthy to return the platforms back to handle 600' trains.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 11 19:12:38 2011, in response to Details about : " STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY" project, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 17:47:42 2011.

Already? The whole line's rebuild was only 12 years ago.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Nov 11 19:31:57 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 17:57:26 2011.

With this money, lets extend it to Bedford and Nostrand

Excellent suggestion.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 19:36:17 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Nov 11 19:31:57 2011.

IMO it should have been done in the first place.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by numbersix on Fri Nov 11 20:39:26 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Nov 11 19:31:57 2011.

Why extend? It already connects to the C at Fulton.

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Posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 20:52:57 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 19:07:39 2011.

The platforms never could platform more than a 6-car B-type train.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 20:54:44 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 19:04:24 2011.

SO there would be more operational flexibility. The track configuration and platforms mean they can never run more than a 2x75foot train at a 10 minute interval. The line can't be used for diversions, as was done in the past.


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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 20:55:48 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 11 19:12:38 2011.

It wasn't done right. Talk about penny-wise and pound-foolish.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Nov 11 21:03:29 2011, in response to Details about : " STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY" project, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 17:47:42 2011.

For what the MTA is going to spend on this and what they already spent a number of years ago, they could have easily built a would-be-most-welcome surface streetcar lines all the way to downtown Brooklyn, the Dumbo area and Red Hook. Instead, they just replicated what has existed for decades, with no actual improvement in anything.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 21:10:30 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Nov 11 21:03:29 2011.

If they hadn't rebuilt it, I doubt it would still be running.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Nov 11 21:14:40 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 21:10:30 2011.

But with the surface streetcar line on parallel Franklin Avenue, it wouldn't be needed and the money used to repair this slow-crawling line could have built more extensive and valuable rail transit facilities. The TA property could then have been sold to real estate interests, recouping some of the costs.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Nov 11 21:23:03 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by numbersix on Fri Nov 11 20:39:26 2011.

So you can go from Northern Brooklyn to Southern Brooklyn without taking a bus or backtracking Downtown.

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Posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 21:23:39 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Nov 11 21:14:40 2011.

But the TA has no interest in building light rail. Places that I thought would be the last places on earth to build light rail (like Dallas) have it, but not NYC.

So if the Franklin Shuttle wasn't rehabed, the money wouldn't have gone to something useful. Just doesn't work that way.

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Posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 21:24:50 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Nov 11 21:23:03 2011.

Still trying to make the G useful?

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Nov 11 21:30:39 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 21:23:39 2011.

I agree with you on this point. BTW, the Dallas cars are allowed 65mph on some sections. I've ridden it and they really move.

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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Nov 11 21:33:56 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 21:24:50 2011.

The Crosstown route would be much more useful and actually live up to its name if it were hooked up to the Franklin Avenue and Brighton lines.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Nov 11 22:16:54 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Nov 11 18:55:30 2011.

Nah, 300' would be sufficient, enough for a 5-car 160 or 4-car hippo, which can be easily attained by cutting a full-length train. But 150' is just ridiculous. In about 20 years, when it's time to replace the Hippos, MTA will have to order 4 75' 2-car sets (even if the rest of the Hippo replacement order is 60'). Or maybe they'll just use that excuse to close the Frankie for good. :[


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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 22:28:14 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Nov 11 21:33:56 2011.

Agree if the G had access (even if it is walk transfers)to all subway lines that it passes nearby it would be a vital line like its Manhattan counterparts....

Also MTA could save money by eliminating the B 48 with an extension of the shuttle

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Posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 12 10:10:14 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Nov 11 21:30:39 2011.

I'd love to ride that. And Denver. I was in Denver maybe 25 years ago and never would have guessed they would become a light rail center. I wonder if the light rail has improved the downtown. I was at a hotel barely on the outskirts of downtown. They warned me not to leave my car overnight in the public parking and my room key activated the elevator. Never saw that in any other city.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Nov 12 11:33:51 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Nov 11 22:16:54 2011.

Or else they will just run two 60' cars, if that is the only size available, and the shuttle trains will be reduced to 120'. If enough people complain, they might extend the platforms to 180' to handle three cars.

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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 12 15:56:37 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by B49 Limited on Fri Nov 11 19:07:39 2011.

I agree that the shuttle platforms should have been extended to 600 ft and I would even go so far as to say that Franklin should have been rebuilt into a 2 track Island platform. However due to the track configuration at PPK which make Franklin trains local, turning them at BBC and extending Bs to Stl is not a good idea since it would require double Xover moves N/O BBC. It would probably make more sense to let Fkln trains go through to Stillwell alternating with Qs if they were to be extended at all which is probably not needed at the present time.

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Posted by jabrams on Sat Nov 12 20:36:36 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 12 15:56:37 2011.

If they double track (except for Fulton St.) the row north of BBG, then they can run 3 trains at once. If the add a second platform (at Fulton), would be like Nostrand Ave., but I believe the only entrance is at the front, then they can run 4 trains at once.

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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Nov 12 21:52:45 2011, in response to Details about : " STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY" project, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 17:47:42 2011.

????????????????
Didn't they just rebuild this line in 1998?

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 12 21:54:22 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Nov 12 21:52:45 2011.

Lessee now ... hmmmm ... who was governator then? Who was the "fixer" known as "Fonzie" who always managed to hookup Schiavo and Yonkers Construction with every MTA project? Hmmm ...

Surprise? No.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Nov 12 21:57:03 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Nov 11 21:30:39 2011.

They don't even allow cars to go 65 mph in NYC....

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by error46146 on Sat Nov 12 22:30:00 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 20:54:44 2011.

It would make much more sense for the Q to terminate at Franklin Ave when they do that GO instead of Prospect Park imo

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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Nov 12 22:31:04 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 20:54:44 2011.

Yes you can, but the MTA doesn't like to use the southbound Prospect Park local track much.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 12 22:54:05 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 12 21:54:22 2011.

Don't tell me that Schiavone did the Franklin Shuttle work, too!!!

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 12 23:01:29 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 12 22:54:05 2011.

Dunno who did it exactly, but the cast of characters is about as limited as a Golan-Globus production ... It probably WAS Bronson. :)

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 12 23:15:39 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 11 18:31:09 2011.



I know NOTHING about what happened

Finally. Thank you for your honesty :)

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 12 23:21:43 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 12 23:01:29 2011.

JUDLAU Contracting did the Franklin Shuttle in 1998-99. Anyone ever hear of this outfit?

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sat Nov 12 23:22:00 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Nov 11 21:33:56 2011.

Agreed. I believe that this could be accomplished if the shuttle were to be connected to hook up with the G. Then a tunnel should be built connecting Brooklyn with Manhattan at 23rd St. (Manhattan), with both the G and S being extended west on 23rd St. to Javits Center. (This hook=up would require closing the Court Square Station of the G.) Even in all the fantasy maps that have been posted and all of their fantastic subway line extensions in the outer boroughs, I don't recall any that show this, what seems to me to be an obvious biggest bang for the buck.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 12 23:23:42 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 12 23:21:43 2011.

You must be related to them since they did such a poor job (apparently).

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 12 23:49:02 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 12 23:21:43 2011.

Sounds like one of the many fake "holding companies" ... which is curious because it isn't them that gets left "holding" it. :)

Nope ... but if you peel back the onion skin, it's a pretty sure thing that behind the paperwork is the usual suspects ...

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 13 01:38:35 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 12 23:49:02 2011.

Huh? What are you going on about now?

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Posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 13 07:22:00 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Nov 12 22:31:04 2011.

Because of the curve? Malbone Street notwithstanding, the curve is not that bad and it was in continual use from the time it was opened in 1918 until (IIRC) 1959, when the crossover was built. Even then, it still saw regular passenger service for a few more years when Brighton Locals operated it on Saturdays.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Nov 13 08:58:03 2011, in response to Details about : " STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY" project, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 17:47:42 2011.

Sounds like we're getting ripped off. That line was supposedly completely refurbished less than 20 years ago.

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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 13 10:35:08 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Nov 13 08:58:03 2011.

Whoa! No one has even thought of that yet!

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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Nov 13 14:20:06 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 13 07:22:00 2011.

The track is still used in revenue service once a day I believe.

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Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Nov 13 16:08:01 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 12 23:23:42 2011.

Sorry, Psycho, I'm not related to them! Now, go take your meds and read the "Help Wanted" section of the Sunday newspapers!

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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 13 18:33:29 2011, in response to Re: Details about : '' STABILIZE FRANKLIN AVENUE SHUTTLE TRACKWAY'' project, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Nov 13 16:08:01 2011.

Nah I think you are related to them.

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