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Re: Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 16 19:35:06 2008, in response to Design your own IND Re: G Train to be cut back to Court Square permanently, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 16 19:16:18 2008. So what would you (or anyone else on Subchat) have designed in the 1920s if you had been in charge of planning the IND from a blank slate? Which lines would have been first system and which second?I know the FIrst IND System was designed thinking that the IND Second System would also be built, but here's some things different I would have done. - The Concourse Line was built just to "get rid" of the Jerome el. I would not have built the Concourse line so close to another line, when so many areas didn't even have subway service. (again, the IND 2nd System would have made the Concourse's use more apparent, but since hindsight is 20/20, I can think of a lot better things that could have been done with the money spent on Concourse. -The Fulton subway should not have been built. It replaced a perfectly good dual contracts el (for much of it's run). Duplicating existing lines instead of bringing the subway to areas that didn't have any service at all should not have been done first. (Again, I understand the Fulton subway is only a shadow of what it was supposed to be too, as it was supposed to be a major trunk line...however, had they built the further out portion first instead of wasting money replacing existing route, we would have a longer route now, in addition to the line already on Fulton St (which could have been connected to the Cranberry Tube). -The IND should have taken over the ENTIRE Rockaway line from Queens Blvd to Liberty Junction, and then onto to Rockaway. The loss of that middle section of Rockaway Line, through an area that has NO subway service is nothing short of travesty. -One of their major faults in design was that they thought that the locals should not go through to Manhattan, or out of borough. They figured people would just jump off the locals at the first express station they had the oportunity to, and take the express. This unfortunate design was responsible in 3 of the 4 boroughs for a plight we see to this day. For example, In Manhattan, the local is designed to feed out of Hudson Terminal. In Queens, the entire Queens Blvd local was designed to be just the Crosstown! Image the QB line without the 60th St Tunnel connection!! (also of course forgetting 63rd St). This unfortunate desing also made the people along the Crosstown suffer without direct Manhattan access (again, granted if IND 2nd System was built, this would have been eased a bit). The Fulton St subway's local service was only designed to terminate at Court St (Current Transit Museum)!! That's insane to think that the Fulton St local stations would only be prvided by a train that only went to Court St. They quickly saw the mistake with that, as right from the beginning, the Court St stub became a shuttle. But that probably has more to do with the fact that the Fulton St subway's construction was interrupted by WWII, and by the time it resumed, traffic patterns had already emerged. The IND we have today, is not bad. And it's easy to criticize what they "should have done", but the IND Second System was supposed to fill in a lot of the gaps and holes, and problems the original IND never finished or solved. It's a shame WWII interrupted it's progression, and it was never built as planned, as we would have some different subway system today had the IND Second System been built. |
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