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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:24:25 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 26 16:56:53 2012.

Wow dude. Have you been reading my posts here at all?

I'll let go the stab at racist intent implied there and go to the black person's perception that black people can't do math.

It's a perception because Blacks are worse off at math, on average.

At worst it implies a genetic predisposition that has never been scientifically demonstrated

Seriously dude?


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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:27:22 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 26 17:14:20 2012.

Some can. Blacks have an anti-intellectual culture because like all low-IQ groups (which includes White southerners, southern Italians, Greeks, and others) they aren't typically good at intellectual stuff, and people tend to be indifferent to hostile to things they aren't good at.

The biggest problem is that it's not an all-or-nothing thing. Some Blacks are intelligent, as evidenced by those that get into these schools. It's just that there are proportionally fewer of them than say among East Asians...

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Re: NY Times rationally worried that few blacks go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:27:58 2012, in response to Re: NY Times rationally worried that few blacks go to Stuyvesant, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 26 17:29:00 2012.

It offered all sorts of reasons except the correct one...

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:28:48 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Feb 26 21:18:15 2012.

LOL they need to test in first. You can't just bus them in. The NYC specialized high-school system is a model of excellence and should stay that way....

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:33:13 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 27 02:18:40 2012.

Sadly, HBD explains much of the issue here.

Yes....Damn, you'd think I haven't been posting here....

I guess this is a testament to how well the realities of HBD have flown here at Subchat. No one wants to believe it. Who knows, maybe that's a good thing....

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:34:34 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:27:24 2012.

Congrats on the score!

Math is just rote memorization.

Not quite, however...

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:37:22 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 13:55:41 2012.

I don't know how "g-loaded" the exam is

It's pretty g-loaded. I have been looking for an entrance exam-to-IQ conversion chart somewhere, haven't been able to find one. Perhaps because City Board of Ed. has an interest in not letting it be known that it's an IQ test.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:43:06 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 15:42:51 2012.

Correct.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:45:41 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Concourse Express on Mon Feb 27 16:36:38 2012.

If it's anything like the SAT, it's probably overpredicts Black/Latino performance, far from being biased.

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Re: MORE RACISTS RANTS FROM YA BUDDY CHRISR16....

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:52:03 2012, in response to Re: MORE RACISTS RANTS FROM YA BUDDY CHRISR16...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 16:50:47 2012.

Crime and poverty aren't the reason for Black failure, but stem from the same source (low-IQ, low-conscientiousness, low future-time orientation).

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:53:48 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 18:40:24 2012.

Your parents had nothing to do with nothing, besides giving you their genes...

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 09:00:30 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:32:37 2012.

I've believe that immigrants' children are exposed to a greater desire for academic success than children who can trace their American roots back several generations.

That's not the reason. Especially from the poorer countries (save Mexico), immigrants tend to be a select group, as there are huge barriers against international travel placed upon them that selects for the more accomplished/determined individuals. The average IQ of (non-refugee) African immigrants for example is 115 (as testified by an Ethiopian physics professor I once had), 3σ above the mean IQ there. I myself am a second generation Jamaican, like most of the Blacks at these elite schools...

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 09:01:09 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:06:59 2012.

Dead wrong...

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 09:07:42 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:06:59 2012.

Even in the black community, Africans tend to do a lot better than West Indians and native born blacks.

Or, the barriers against coming to the U.S. are highest against African immigrants, next highest against Caribbean immigrants (save Puerto Ricans, obviously), and least highest (obviously) against American Blacks. The average IQ of each group follows that pattern.

Immigrants have not been exposed to Jersey Shore or Playstation.

Then there's that bastard regression to the mean...

The fact remains that this is not a level playing field and some groups are more prepared for the exam than other groups.

As I said, dead wrong.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 09:08:55 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:43:45 2012.

Well, they are, on average. It's hard to sweep this under the rug when you look at NYC's specialized high schools...

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Concourse Express on Tue Feb 28 10:28:26 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:20:29 2012.

As a Black (well, mixed Black/White/Chinese) person, who just missed the mark to get into Stuyvesant (see if you can figure out my IQ from that)

I'll take a stab at it just for fun...132?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 10:31:58 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Concourse Express on Tue Feb 28 10:28:26 2012.

Very close...

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Concourse Express on Tue Feb 28 10:35:16 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 10:31:58 2012.

Heh, I'm tempted to use interval notation...
...next guess 133; if not I'm guessing somewhere on the interval [131, 135].

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 10:36:52 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Concourse Express on Tue Feb 28 10:35:16 2012.

It's not on that interval.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Concourse Express on Tue Feb 28 10:44:12 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 10:36:52 2012.

You sure I was "very close?"
[136, 140] (guess 138)?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 11:07:06 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Concourse Express on Tue Feb 28 10:44:12 2012.

Somewhere in there... ;p

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 28 11:51:15 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:43:45 2012.

Dunno, I thought it was implying some kind of social class divide, where blacks in general "just don't go" to specialized schools.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 28 11:53:25 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:35:45 2012.

Now, now, you know it's more important to drop everything and provide proof of your education status to a bunch of people you barely know on an online chat site. 8-)

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 28 12:35:17 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:53:48 2012.

Um, no, I think the feeding, clothing, providing a living environment, and otherwise caring and taking care of him, also had a big part of it.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 12:54:34 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 28 12:35:17 2012.

Yes, but that's not what's talking about. He's talking about how his parents impacted his behavior by "impress[ing] upon [him] the importance of studying and learning," which is total rubbish.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 28 13:10:38 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 09:00:30 2012.

as there are huge barriers against international travel placed upon them that selects for the more accomplished/determined individuals

Then again, it can be said that if the people were accomplished, they generally wouldn't need to immigrate, unless there was political turmoil or persecution. A lot of the Chinese coming illegally, for instance, are actually fairly poor.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 28 13:20:26 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 12:54:34 2012.

He's talking about how his parents impacted his behavior by "impress[ing] upon [him] the importance of studying and learning," which is total rubbish.

Hardly. Considering that your parents are pretty much your first role models, if they valued athletic achievement over "book larnin'", chances are you're not going to put as much focus on the academic side of your schooling. You would be valuing athletics, even if your talent isn't that great.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 28 13:35:58 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 28 13:10:38 2012.

Which is why "political" immigrants are superior to "economic" immigrants.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 13:41:27 2012, in response to Re: MORE RACISTS RANTS FROM YA BUDDY CHRISR16...., posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 08:52:03 2012.

Blacks do not have "low IQ", JayMengele. Why are you trying to perpetuate the myth of "black failure"?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Feb 28 13:42:44 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 28 13:10:38 2012.

No, it's BECAUSE they are already accomplished at home that they seek new accomplishments elsewhere.

A guy ho feels accomplished in Jamaica hasn't done much in the big scheme of things. He will seek new challenges in the US, Europe, etc and the unique opportunities those places offer, just like his/her American counterpart from Tuscaloosa will seek new challenges in New York, Japan, China, Europe, etc.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 14:12:47 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 28 13:10:38 2012.

Then again, it can be said that if the people were accomplished, they generally wouldn't need to immigrate, unless there was political turmoil or persecution.

Those who are lucky enough to find a way to live comfortably in their Third World hellholes don't, but the successful student for example or graduate who can't find a way to live up to their potential in their low-IQ milieu have an incentive to come to a First World country, and they do...

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 14:14:20 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 28 13:20:26 2012.

I guess you haven't seen this. Learn it, know it.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 14:15:11 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 13:41:27 2012.

When are you going to start getting in touch with reality?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 14:16:54 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by SMAZ on Tue Feb 28 13:42:44 2012.

That depends. If I could live more comfortably easier in Jamaica, which is a possibility for many bright people, I'd move. The "ruling" classes of many Third World countries consist of these, people who are just fine where they are, and have little interest in leaving for the U.S. or elsewhere.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 14:19:55 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 14:15:11 2012.

Would be a JayMengele type who tries to justify eugenics (Nazi race policies) as in any way legitimate and calls all of his other related race-baiting "reality".

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 15:47:01 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 14:19:55 2012.

Someday you'll learn all about the strawman...

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 18:58:37 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 22:47:29 2012.

John Gunther wrote that the Lower East Side and Forest Hills were separated by 13 miles and 3 generations.

LOL. Great quote. I guess it's same for Lower East Side and Middle Village(just the mileage is slightly less).

I would include the immigrants' grand children in the immigrant category. I think that qualification would include most of the Jewish kids you knew in those schools.

That's cheating. In NYC in 2012, if you're going to include the grandchildren of immigrants in the immigrant category, it would include almost every student today. Especially in Queens and Brooklyn.


Using the Beastie Boys as examples of the typical Jewish kids who attended Stuyvesant in the 80's, they are like the kids I knew in elementary school and in college. They are American Jewish, and they come from families who have been in New York for many generations. They have no sense of belonging to a foreign culture like the Italians I grew up with, or the many immigrants I see around NYC today.

It's different today because of the waves of Jewish immigrants from Russia, Iran and even Israel. Before these Jews started coming to NY in 1979, when was the last big wave of Jewish immigration to American? Early 1900's? This actually relates to the NY-9 election in which a Jewish Democrat lost to a Republican. How can that happen in a district consisting of Kew Gardens, Forest Hills, and Rego Park. The answer is that the older American Jews have been replaced by immigrant Jews who don't see the world the same way. They aren't as liberal.

It's the generation loses first hand contact with the immigrant generation that loses the immigrant edge

It really works both ways. I have two close friends whose parents were immigrants. These friends were raised without video games, toys, and a strong sense of church and family. Having parents like that can be a tremendous advantage because the kids have nothing to do but study. No distractions. This seems to be part of the reason why Asian kids succeed academically.

But if it's as simple as having the "immigrant edge", why do Hispanics follow a completely opposite path?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 28 19:02:39 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:16:31 2012.

Cal-who?

If you have nothing to say, don't say it.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Feb 28 23:11:39 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 28 18:58:37 2012.

Great quote

It comes from "Inside USA" (c)1947.

That's cheating. In NYC in 2012, if you're going to include the grandchildren of immigrants in the immigrant category, it would include almost every student today. Especially in Queens and Brooklyn.

I don't think so. By 2012 it effectively excludes the immigration waves before adoption of the Quota System in 1924. This is the group that has declined most precipitously among Stuyvesant's ranks. They have been replaced by different groups of immigrants, thanks to the 1965 immigration law.

why do Hispanics follow a completely opposite path?

I think there are significant differences within the Hispanic community. The Cubans, appear to have made more progress than other groups.



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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 00:27:32 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Feb 28 23:11:39 2012.

I don't think so. By 2012 it effectively excludes the immigration waves before adoption of the Quota System in 1924. This is the group that has declined most precipitously among Stuyvesant's ranks. They have been replaced by different groups of immigrants, thanks to the 1965 immigration law.

I still don't see the link between immigration and entrance into an elite school like Stuyvesant. That school was almost exclusively American/"New York" Jewish, populated with kids who were generations removed from immigration. But NYC itself has seen it's own immigrant population increase significantly in recent decades, so it should be reflected in the makeup of a school like Stuyvesant.

There's a long list of reasons why minorities don't perform as well Asian and Jewish kids. Go to Jewel and Main Street and observe the middle class Jewish kids and Asian kids a little further north on Main. They come from an environment that cultivates Stuyvesant students. Not as many minorities are as fortunate.

I think there are significant differences within the Hispanic community. The Cubans, appear to have made more progress than other groups.

There are differences. I don't know how significant they are. Most Hispanics under 40 seem to adopt a generic barrio identity of bling bling, Christian symbols(The US Hispanic ghetto culture has hijacked Christian symbols like the cross and other symbols---the gas stations near my home sells baseball caps with praying hands and wooden rosary necklaces for the barrio Mexicans who want to look all bad). Cubans probably have a different mentality because so many of them came through Florida, which was a "Southern" state until recently. I've been told that most Cubans, especially the waves who came in the 60's were mostly literate in Cuba, unlike the other Latino groups who come here as illiterates to perform manual labor.

People have said that the main reason why international companies like to set up shop in Miami(Univision, Telemundo, Televisa, etc......) is because Miami's Cuban population is literate and competent, compared to the labor pool of Hispanics in NYC and LA.




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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 15:08:16 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 19:44:21 2012.

The Asians and Jews in NYC naturally pursue intellectual interests. That's why they are going to make up a larger percentage of Stuyvesant while blacks and Latinos are less than 5%.

The same people who complain about the cost of prep courses are the ones who find the money for Jay-Z/Kanye West tour and other intellectual pursuits. They blame.

These people in Flushing Queens who spend money on prep courses are not evil rich people. They're actually middle-class people with priorities. They should not be demonized by the NY Times.

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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 29 15:15:04 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by JayMan on Tue Feb 28 14:12:47 2012.

the successful student for example or graduate who can't find a way to live up to their potential in their low-IQ milieu have an incentive to come to a First World country, and they do...

Maybe so, but a lot of people from China (who get smuggled in by boat, for example) are just poor peasants who scraped together enough money to pay smugglers. Skilled people have a better chance with work visas (H1B, I think).

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 29 15:26:55 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 15:08:16 2012.

To answer your claim: I DID go to test prep! I was 12-13. If my parents wanted to send me to test prep, I went. I'm not sure it helped. Another student at my test prep did not get in.

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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Feb 29 15:49:51 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 15:08:16 2012.

"The Asians and Jews in NYC naturally pursue intellectual interests.

Are you saying the genetics plays a part here? eh?

"That's why they are going to make up a larger percentage of Stuyvesant while blacks and Latinos are less than 5%."

Are you saying the Blacks and Hispanic kids are somehow dumb? If you read the article the way any normal person would you would see that is states that Blacks and Hispanics were not pushed into taking the exams OR advised to take prep courses. If they did, the story would be significantly different. Get it? eh?

"The same people who complain about the cost of prep courses are the ones who find the money for Jay-Z/Kanye West tour and other intellectual pursuits. "

Sure.....all the folks living in poor ass areas of NYC are just dying to spend their money on those concerts....what a loser you really turned out to be. Take for example East New York, Brooklyn. Take a walk around there and you won't find 2 dozen or so prep course academies like you would in Flushing.

"They should not be demonized by the NY Times."

Demonized? that's a rather HARSH word there....which the NYTIMES does not use there. They are merely pointing out that Blacks and Hispanics are at a disadvantage because the schools and the guidance personnel DO NOT stear these kids in the right direction to achieve success on these exams through prep course and some cases, they just flat out don't even care to mention that such an exam even exist for them to take it. You really SHOULD point that HARSH FINGER at the schools where these Black and Hispanic kids are attending!



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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 16:25:49 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Feb 29 15:49:51 2012.

Are you saying the genetics plays a part here? eh?

It might. Culture probably plays a bigger role. Being from Queens, I can see the difference in minority culture, compared to the Asians and Jews of Flusing and Forest Hills compared to the Italian culture of Ridgewood that I am more familiar with.

Are you saying the Blacks and Hispanic kids are somehow dumb? If you read the article the way any normal person would you would see that is states that Blacks and Hispanics were not pushed into taking the exams OR advised to take prep courses. If they did, the story would be significantly different. Get it? eh?

The results would not be much different and people would be looking for other excuses.

Everyone knows about prep courses. Anyone can enroll.

Demonized? that's a rather HARSH word there....which the NYTIMES does not use there. They are merely pointing out that Blacks and Hispanics are at a disadvantage because the schools and the guidance personnel DO NOT stear these kids in the right direction to achieve success on these exams through prep course and some cases, they just flat out don't even care to mention that such an exam even exist for them to take it. You really SHOULD point that HARSH FINGER at the schools where these Black and Hispanic kids are attending!

LOL @ "disadvantaged". That's one of my favorites. "At risk" is another favorite of mine. Everyone knows about the prep courses. Anyone saying otherwise must be lying.

Sure.....all the folks living in poor ass areas of NYC are just dying to spend their money on those concerts....what a loser you really turned out to be. Take for example East New York, Brooklyn. Take a walk around there and you won't find 2 dozen or so prep course academies like you would in Flushing.

You don't see academies in Italian neighborhoods either. I'm not crying about it. The academies are in Flushing because there are enough kids in the community who seek intellectual activities after school. The Flushing kids are middle-class kids whose parents who chose to enroll them in courses. That's the culture in Queens' Asian and Jewish communities and that's why their kids succeed. Good for them. I don't blame them for succeeding. I blame myself for my failures.

Where are "dozens" of academies in Flushing? And if there was a demand in other communities, they would open there too.





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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Feb 29 16:34:34 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 29 16:25:49 2012.

"The results would not be much different and people would be looking for other excuses."

Can you PROVE your THEORY? eh? NO you can't since you base it on racism. You can't stand to admit to the truth because you can't look beyond the racism you harbor in your soul.

"Everyone knows about prep courses. Anyone can enroll. "

Stop lying! plus it takes $$$$ ..they are not free....

"Anyone saying otherwise must be lying."

The only one who IS LYING IS YOU .....LUCHIE!







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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 1 10:37:01 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:27:24 2012.

Calculus and differential equations are not theoretical if you're going for a degree in physics, as one of my daughters is. As she says "math is the language of physics." She thinks math is a beautiful thing; it's all a matter of perspective.

I would think railfans could see this. So much of what interests us in railroads is bound together with math, from timetables to engineering to car plans.

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