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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:32:37 2012, in response to NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012.

The immigrant factor has not been discussed. The vast majority of Stuyvesant's Asian students are foreign born or first generation American. Indeed, Ms. Miller the lonely black at Stuyvesant, is also an immigrant.

I've believe that immigrants' children are exposed to a greater desire for academic success than children who can trace their American roots back several generations.

I attribute some of this to the American pop culture that aspires to the lowest common denominator rather than the greatest common denominator. Acquiring knowledge can be entertaining. However, all one sees on television are gun battles, inane reality shows and car chases. They are easier to create than dialogue.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 20:34:56 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by R30A on Mon Feb 27 19:17:13 2012.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 20:38:49 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:32:37 2012.

The immigrant factor has not been discussed.

Is it always correct? Look at Hispanics as a group, Mexicans in particular.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:41:10 2012, in response to Re: Olog-hai and Luchie oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 20:08:42 2012.

You need better jokes. Who does your writing?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:42:25 2012, in response to Re: MORE RACISTS RANTS FROM YA BUDDY OLOGIA-HO-BAG, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 19:16:35 2012.

Very witty . . . for 2nd grade.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 20:43:26 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 20:38:49 2012.

" Look at Hispanics as a group, Mexicans in particular. "

How about the Cubans in Miami? eh?



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Re: NY Times does not worry that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 20:46:35 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:42:25 2012.

"Very witty . . . for 2nd grade."

Come now.....you can do better than that.....precious......you must be smarter than some 5th grader out there....at least smarter than Luchie....lol ...right? eh?



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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 20:47:15 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:41:10 2012.

Iris Gutmaker - when the fleet's not in town.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:55:55 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 20:38:49 2012.

No. The differences in immigrant groups progress was documented by Moynihan and Glazer in "Beyond the Melting Pot" back in 1963. The immigrant groups studied were the Irish, Italians, Puerto Ricans, Blacks and Jews.

A contemporary study would look at different Hispanic groups.

However, I was referring to what I perceive as an diluting of the initial immigrant drive for success in succeeding generations.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 20:56:34 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 20:47:15 2012.

"Iris Gutmaker - when the fleet's not in town."

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There's someone out there for you Train Dude......you just have to wait your turn.....blue suits you well......

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 27 20:59:22 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:32:37 2012.

Excellent point. When Stuyvesant and Science were dominated by Jews, the Jews came from recent immigrant families.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:59:44 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 20:56:34 2012.

Yes, it would be you that posts a pic like that, wouldn't it. Out of meds due to being the end of the month?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:06:59 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:32:37 2012.

100% true.

Even in the black community, Africans tend to do a lot better than West Indians and native born blacks. Immigrants have not been exposed to Jersey Shore or Playstation.

The fact remains that this is not a level playing field and some groups are more prepared for the exam than other groups.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:08:14 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:06:59 2012.

The fact remains that this is not a level playing field

BS. Stop blaming others for whatever shortcomings you seem to be unwilling to overcome.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:09:44 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:08:55 2012.

Thanks for pwning Train Dude (I shouldn't give you too much credit since that's not a hard task).

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:09:58 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:59:44 2012.

Self deprecating humor on ricky's part.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:10:30 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:08:14 2012.

+10

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:11:11 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:59:44 2012.

"Yes, it would be you that posts a pic like that, wouldn't it. "

What are you trying to accuse me of? poor taste? eh? most of your worthless carry no value whatsoever......most are flawed with many holes in them ......especially where you constantly play the ..lets blame the Liberals.....that waining very thin lately......


"Out of meds due to being the end of the month?"

try some of this on your chapped lips...I heard it worked for Train Dude....

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:12:40 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:08:55 2012.

The prep schools are used to the exclusive goal of getting Asian Students into Stuyvesant High School? Did you survey the Asian students? What were the results of that survey?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:13:40 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:08:55 2012.

Based on overheard conversations

. . . love the innuendo.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:14:49 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:09:44 2012.

hahahah, in you mind, little boy! By the way, did you graduate from Brooklyn Tech or were you in the class of 2003 for a few months? I notice that you never claimed to graduate.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 21:14:56 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 27 20:59:22 2012.

Were they from immigrant families? Most of the Jewish kids I know who went to those schools were Ashkenazi and American and not immigrant.

They were very much like The Beastie Boys who were typical of the makeup of Stuyvesant in the 80's. American-Jewish and not from "recent immigrant" parents.

Besides, New York City is a city of immigrants. If being an immigrant gave kids an academic advantage, Stuyvesant would be packed with Mexicans, Dominicans, Guyanese, Indians, etc...........

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:15:18 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:13:40 2012.

He must be MoL

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:16:31 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 21:14:56 2012.

More bullshit without any facts to back it up. Pay Calhoun no mind.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:17:20 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:14:49 2012.

I graduated, fuck face. In fact, I got into Bronx Science but declined to attend due to the commute.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:18:43 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:17:20 2012.

Where's the proof, monkey dick?

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Re: NY Times does not worry that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:18:55 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:08:14 2012.

"Stop blaming others for whatever shortcomings you seem to be unwilling to overcome."

Blaming? you're really a denier of history....especially when it comes to rampant discrimination in America.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:20:51 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:10:30 2012.

are you still in detention hall?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 21:22:49 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:08:55 2012.

You should go to 108th Street at 63rd Drive for good bagels.



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Re: NY Times does not worry that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:23:16 2012, in response to Re: NY Times does not worry that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:18:55 2012.

What a schmuck you are. Here we're talking about an immigrant ethnic group populating a prestigious high school out of proportion to their numbers in the general population and you are talking about rampant discrimination in America. Were you on the toilet paper line while they were handing out brains, you fucking moron.

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Re: NY Times does not worry that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:26:43 2012, in response to Re: NY Times does not worry that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:18:55 2012.

Blaming? you're really a denier of history

What "denier of history" when we're talking about today, you racist?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:28:19 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:09:44 2012.

Baloney. You still want to blame others for your lack of motivation.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 21:29:27 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:55:55 2012.

A contemporary study would look at different Hispanic groups.

Me too. That's why I mentioned Mexicans in particular in several posts. Either way you break it down, NYC is a city of immigrants where certain groups naturally pursue intellectual interests while others don't because it's not their culture.

I can imagine the image of Italians in 1963. I'll bet less than half were graduating from high school.


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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 21:29:27 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Feb 27 20:55:55 2012.

A contemporary study would look at different Hispanic groups.

Me too. That's why I mentioned Mexicans in particular in several posts. Either way you break it down, NYC is a city of immigrants where certain groups naturally pursue intellectual interests while others don't because it's not their culture.

I can imagine the image of Italians in 1963. I'll bet less than half were graduating from high school.


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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:31:17 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:18:43 2012.

Still waiting for the proof, monkey dick!

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:31:45 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:28:19 2012.

"You still want to blame others for your lack of motivation."

You really have no sense of the truth.......it's bearing on pathetic.



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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:33:34 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:31:45 2012.

The proper word would be "bordering", you dumb mother-fucker - not bearing.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Easy on Mon Feb 27 21:34:04 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:06:59 2012.

I really regret not having my kids apply to the California Academy of Math and Science. It's not as hard to get into as I assumed. And if they consider race...

Still I plan on sending them to SAT prep classes. A few extra points couldn't hurt and may help.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:34:10 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:14:49 2012.

"I notice that you never claimed to graduate."

We know you spent your time well in detention hall.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:35:45 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:31:17 2012.

I'm in school, doing WORK. I can't just stop everything and look for my high school diploma.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:35:53 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 27 21:34:04 2012.

Whoa - according to Baumann, if you send them to a prep class, they have to be Asians applying to Stuyvesant High School. Don't go screwing with his curve.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:36:08 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:14:49 2012.

"I notice that you never claimed to graduate."

We know you spent your time well in detention hall.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:36:28 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:35:53 2012.

Don't go screwing with his curve

TMI . . .

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 21:36:37 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:06:59 2012.

Even in the black community, Africans tend to do a lot better than West Indians and native born blacks. Immigrants have not been exposed to Jersey Shore or Playstation.

I disagree. They have equal access to video games and cable television. Asians are more likely to pursue intellectual interests and the NY Times wants to punish them for it.

The fact remains that this is not a level playing field and some groups are more prepared for the exam than other groups.

It has always been like that. It always will be. It is what makes America great.


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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:37:13 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:35:45 2012.

You found time to come here, didn't you? Doesn't sound like you're working too hard.

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:37:53 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:35:45 2012.

"I'm in school, doing WORK.

Yeah, I can see how hard you're working in school now, you ignant fool. What are you studying, "advanced sand-box techniques"?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 27 21:38:36 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 21:36:37 2012.

Asians are more likely to pursue intellectual interests and the NY Times wants to punish them for it.

I thought the emphasis of the article was that the number of black students are dropping year after year, no?

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:40:06 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:17:20 2012.

"I graduated, fuck face. In fact, I got into Bronx Science but declined to attend due to the commute. "


You did? how much was the payoff from your parents? eh?

I bet you were scared as shit to travel to the Bronx.....much less anywhere else....right lil tough guy....? lol

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 27 21:41:08 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 21:37:13 2012.

McDonalds French Fry University. He's taking "Salting 101" and "Building the Big Mac". For Phys.Ed. he's studying "Carrying the Garbage To the Dumpster"

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Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 21:41:15 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 21:17:20 2012.

Sorry...that was meant for Train Dude........not you PATHMAN.....

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