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NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/education/black-at-stuyvesant-high-one-girls-experience.htmlMaybe if black kids studied more. Maybe if black parents concentrated more on their child's schoolwork. Maybe if black culture didn't glorify fame and fortune via athletics or entertainment. Maybe if blacks listened to what Bill Cosby has to say instead of calling him an Oreo. Just maybe ... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 14:21:04 2012, in response to NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012. The Gray Lady's looking redder and redder every day. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 26 16:56:53 2012, in response to NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012. There are so many things going on in that article. The argument about Asians is similar to past arguments about limiting the number of Jews in prestigious schools.But the one very interesting paragraph, which the Times doesn't explore, is this: 'Her mother, Annmarie Miller, a nursing assistant at a hospital in the Bronx, recalled a cousin’s reaction when she mentioned Rudi’s pick: “You have to be Chinese or Indian to get in there.” A co-worker, also black, “said the exam is built to exclude blacks because it’s heavy on math, and black people can’t do math,” Mrs. Miller said.' [Emphasis mine] I'll let go the stab at racist intent implied there and go to the black person's perception that black people can't do math. At worst it implies a genetic predisposition that has never been scientifically demonstrated; at least it implies a defeatism, a mental or cultural block, where thinking makes it (not) so. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 26 17:14:20 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 26 16:56:53 2012. I agree that statements like that are cultural. Of course they can learn math but to the street set, math is the antichrist.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Feb 26 17:16:59 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 26 16:56:53 2012. I didn't even know anyone still read the times |
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Re: NY Times rationally worried that few blacks go to Stuyvesant |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 26 17:29:00 2012, in response to NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012. You again obviously failed to read the article. The thrust of the article was not at all about Asian kids. It was on the increasingly fewer black kids that went there. It explored a whole host of perfectly logical reasons for this. Among those reasons was NOT that too many Asians attended. |
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Re: NY Times oddly worried that few blacks go to Stuyvesant |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 17:42:20 2012, in response to Re: NY Times rationally worried that few blacks go to Stuyvesant, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 26 17:29:00 2012. Now you're on record as calling racism "rational". |
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Re: NY Times oddly worried that few blacks go to Stuyvesant |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 26 19:54:54 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that few blacks go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 17:42:20 2012. LOL |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Feb 26 21:18:15 2012, in response to NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012. She should be proud that she's representing her race there. If you simply bus in more minority kids who don't want to be there, you'll just drag everyone else down. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 26 21:42:12 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Feb 26 17:16:59 2012. It has a big online following, in addition to the paper version. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 26 22:37:07 2012, in response to NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012. This seems to be the trend when race is removed as a consideration. California "UC" (University of California) schools have very few black students anymore. UCLA enrolls something like six thousand freshman and only about 100 are non-athletic scholarship black students. That's about the same ratio as Stuyvesant. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 26 22:38:08 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Feb 26 21:18:15 2012. Who said that she's not? She can still encourage more black students to apply. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Feb 27 02:18:40 2012, in response to NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012. Sadly, HBD explains much of the issue here.FWIW, I didn't test into any of the specialized high schools, but ended up going to a well-respected Catholic high school... |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 27 03:25:06 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Feb 26 21:18:15 2012. There was a time, years ago, that certain minority parents lobbied to have the entrance exam suspended because it was allegedly racist. Thankfully, the effort failed. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Feb 27 04:36:59 2012, in response to NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012. bill cosboy is no example for anybody |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 27 05:55:20 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Feb 27 04:36:59 2012. Why? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Feb 27 06:18:16 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Feb 27 04:36:59 2012. Why's that? He came from nothing and was very successful.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:02:42 2012, in response to NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012. My hats off to Rudi-Ann Miller for defying the odds, including jackass haters like Chris and Train Dude. |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:27:24 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by SLRT on Sun Feb 26 16:56:53 2012. I scored 700 on the math portion of the SAT. Math was easy for me until it became theoretical (Calculus, Differential Equations). English/Verbal gave me the most problems. Math is just rote memorization. |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:30:52 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Feb 26 21:18:15 2012. They want to be there, but since their parents don't have $1000 to send them to prep schools, they're shut out one of the top schools. This is the part where Chris, Train Dude, and Luch will call them lazy, welfare thugs, but there are many black kids with 95 averages in middle school who can't get into Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, or even Brooklyn Tech because of that exam. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 13:48:23 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:02:42 2012. She is not in any way defying the odds. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 13:51:56 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:27:24 2012. Math is just rote memorization.??? How do you solve a typical SAT problem like the following through rote memorization? John wants to fence in a 300 square foot portion of his yard for his dog. He wants the area to be 3 times as long as it is wide. How much length of fencing does he need to buy? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 13:52:14 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:27:24 2012. I am the opposite. I got better with Calculus. But I got a 690 on the Math SAT. I was upset I did not break 700. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 13:54:10 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 13:51:56 2012. Want to make sure I'm not rusty:3X*X=300 3X^2=300 X=10 80 feet. Correct? |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:54:52 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 13:51:56 2012. Length 30Width 10 30*10=300 (X)(3X)=300 3x^2=300 x^2=100 X=10 I haven't done a math problem in nearly 4 years and I remembered this |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 13:55:41 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:30:52 2012. By definition, students who go to Prep schools do not go to Stuyvesant. Unless you mean test prep.And I disagree. I don't know how "g-loaded" the exam is, but if they're getting 95s in middle school, they could just be students at a crappy middle school. |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 14:11:00 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 13:55:41 2012. I meant test prep, but the fact remains that Asians attend test prep academies that specifically prepare them for the Specialized High School exam as well as the Hunter College High School exam. Like the article says, they start preparation in elementary school. Blacks and Latinos do not have the luxury of attending such schools because they can't afford them (Luch or Chris will probably make a stupid reply like they can afford Air Jordans and X Box). |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 14:35:35 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 13:54:10 2012. Correct. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 14:36:27 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:54:52 2012. Yes, but you remembered a method, and not just formulas or words. It's more than rote memorization. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 27 15:35:06 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:30:52 2012. Test prep is not required to take the entrance exam, nor is it going to guarantee success. Judging from the article, a lot of it is also cultural and psychological. If they've learned enough, they should at least make it into Brooklyn Tech. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 15:39:32 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 14:11:00 2012. Spider-Pig went to Stuyvesant and I'm of the opinion that he did not spend a dime on prep courses to get in.I have four friends who went to Stuyvesant. None of them spent a dime of prep courses. They just did well in school and were intellectually gifted. No "luxury". Just hard work. (Luch or Chris will probably make a stupid reply like they can afford Air Jordans and X Box). Did you hear about the sneaker riot in Orlando? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 15:42:51 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 15:39:32 2012. Prep courses help a bit. If you're close they can make the difference. If you're not close they can't. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 15:55:56 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 15:42:51 2012. This reminds me of something. My friend was accepted to Stuyvesant, Tech, Malloy, and St. Francis Prep but put on the waiting list at Aviation. We were wondering what was up with that.I agree that they can make a difference. I'm of the opinion that many kids don't even take advantage of prep course and Spider-Pig is probably one. I'm also of the opinion that there are free prep courses that all NYC residents of all skin colors can take advantage of if they really want it. When I went to public school, 90% of the teachers were Jewish. No one cared. We just went to school. These days, people in many minority communities would probably be pissed if that were the case. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 27 15:57:52 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:30:52 2012. Luch will call them lazy, welfare thugs,I have never called blacks lazy and realize that most blacks are not on welfare and would rather work. I have said many times that if a company opened a factory in ENY or Newark, blacks would line up 1,000 or more deep for work. My problem with minorities is their inability to confront reality. I'm in NYC for my monthly haircut listening to all kinds of drama about stop and frisk and racial profiling. Then I read another story about a cop being shot by who else, a minority but there are many black kids with 95 averages in middle school who can't get into Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, or even Brooklyn Tech because of that exam. If "that exam" is the same for everyone, I don't see the problem. How is the exam unfair to minoritie |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 27 16:11:40 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 27 15:42:51 2012. That doesn't preclude a student from even trying, though, which is apparently a much bigger factor. And even if the student doesn't take a prep course, there must be books out there they can get, new or used. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Mon Feb 27 16:36:38 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 27 15:35:06 2012. IAWTP, especially if the SHSAT contains a fair amount of "g-loading" (which I'm not sure it does; haven't found anything definitive via Google). Even so, some of the remarks in the article speak volumes:[A co-worker, also black, “said the exam is built to exclude blacks because it’s heavy on math, and black people can’t do math,”] It's tough enough to get in, but the notion that the exam is "biased" plus cats discouraging the kids from even trying certainly doesn't help. my blog |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 16:50:47 2012, in response to NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Feb 26 13:49:17 2012. "Maybe if black kids studied more. Maybe if black parents concentrated more on their child's schoolwork. Maybe if black culture didn't glorify fame and fortune via athletics or entertainment. Maybe if blacks listened to what Bill Cosby has to say instead of calling him an Oreo. Just maybe ... "Now lets see....where do we begin....ok......lets look at housing discrimination......IN NYC!.....that's where it starts. Poor neighborhoods with HIGH CRIME rates are not the best place places to study. Lets not forget the most Asians kids in NYC don't have after-school jobs to go to. Most families save up enough money to get them into test cram labs or prep test labs. As for Chris believing in the racist myth that Black families are more interested in sending there kids into athletics is another one of Chris' absurdities. Oh....FYI......Chris.....Bill Cosby is NOT GOD.....ok? Blacks in America can think for themselves...I hope you can realize that......someday.... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 16:55:58 2012, in response to Re: MORE RACISTS RANTS FROM YA BUDDY CHRISR16...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 16:50:47 2012. Between you and he, you're the only racist here. That's been proven already, with the way you look down on ESL students . . .lets look at housing discrimination......IN NYC!.....that's where it starts Yes, with your racist liberal politicians. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Mon Feb 27 16:56:02 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 13:52:14 2012. I'm between you and PATHman. Math was simple for me also; AP Cal BC was a challenge only due to the class tests (which kicked my ass at first). My performance in the classes only got better from there; even scored a 4 on the AP cal exam...however, only attained a middling 640 on the math part of the SAT.my blog |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 16:57:44 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 13:30:52 2012. This is the part where Chris, Train Dude, and Luch will call them lazy, welfare thugsNo, you're just a liar. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 16:59:49 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by PATHman on Mon Feb 27 14:11:00 2012. the fact remains that Asians attend test prep academies that specifically prepare them for the Specialized High School exam as well as the Hunter College High School examYou're a lying racist. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 27 17:00:30 2012, in response to Re: MORE RACISTS RANTS FROM YA BUDDY CHRISR16...., posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 16:50:47 2012. 
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 17:01:49 2012, in response to Re: MORE RACISTS RANTS FROM YA BUDDY CHRISR16...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 27 17:00:30 2012. What do you expect a racist like him to do? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 17:01:58 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 16:55:58 2012. "Between you and he, you're the only racist here. That's been proven already, with the way you look down on ESL students "Me and ELS students? lol.....that really shows your lack of understanding what happened with the comment YEARS AGO!...go look in the dirty old closet and find the truth!  "Yes, with your racist liberal politicians." Since when are racist liberal politicians YOUR LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD REALTOR! if you were slightly open minded...you'd realize that...but that won't happen in your life time! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 17:03:11 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 16:57:44 2012. And you're just a racist old piece of SHIT!
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 17:05:28 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 16:59:49 2012. "You're a lying racist."LOL......you call everyone a racist when you LEAD THE PACK OF RACISTS! 
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 17:07:57 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 17:01:49 2012. "What do you expect a racist like him to do? "Come now.....your mirror knows the truth about you Ologia......spare us all about the lies you spread.....  |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 17:09:38 2012, in response to Re: MORE RACISTS RANTS FROM YA BUDDY OLOGIA, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 17:07:57 2012. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 17:09:42 2012, in response to Re: MORE RACISTS RANTS FROM YA BUDDY CHRISR16...., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Feb 27 17:00:30 2012. Just at your stupidity.......it lightens up the room when you open up your mouth...... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 17:11:26 2012, in response to Re: NY Times oddly worried that too many Asians go to Stuyvesant, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 27 17:05:28 2012. Empty accusastion. Meanwhile, PATHracist openly lies about Asians as though anyone else could not avail of the same opportunity. |
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