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Posted by
JayMan
on Sun Mar 6 00:56:42 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 5 11:52:00 2011.
edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Your defense of the hip-hop club is race carding.
I'm not defending the hip-hop club. If anything I'm defending the residents' objection to it.
As for the IQ garbage, that's stupid. Blacks score lower on IQ tests because they tend to have piss-poor educations and lower self-esteem because so many grow up in a single parent household.
At this point that seems highly unlikely. Not only is it not true that blacks have lower self-esteem, they in fact have higher self-esteem than whites, who have higher self-esteem than E. Asians, yet perform more poorly academically, in the real-world, and on IQ tests.
You misunderstand a few things about IQ tests, especially the more "g-loaded" ones. They are not designed to measure the effect of education, but rather one's own internal ability to reason abstractly. The more g-loaded IQ tests are, the worse blacks do.
Blacks are poor the world over.
Blacks score low on IQ tests the world over.
The IQs of black and white children regress to different means (i.e., all children in all traits tend to "regress to the mean" -- tall parents tend to have kids shorter than they are and vice versa. The same is true for IQ, but the point they regress to is different between blacks and whites).
Decades of interventions and billions of dollars spent have failed to narrow the gap.
The racial hierarchy seen in America is the same the world over: Ashkenazi Jews and E. Asians on top, followed by whites, followed by brown peoples (i.e., N. Africans/Middle Easterners, S. Asians, SE Asians, Native Americans, and Latinos/Hispanics -- who all seem to have average IQs around 85-90), followed by blacks on the bottom.
Mixed-race (black/white) people score between blacks and whites on tests.
The heritability of IQ is the same for blacks and whites (i.e., the non-genetic estimate of IQ is the same, effects of more privileged environments do not show up).
Brain size is correlated with IQ, and blacks have smaller brains than whites, who have smaller brains than E. Asians.
And quite tellingly blacks, Latinos, whites and E. Asians from the same environment report giving academic performance the same level of importance, yet the scores increase along racial lines as you go black -> brown-> white -> E. Asian.
Once impoverished countries lifted themselves out of poverty to become first-world nations within half a century. Other (black and brown) countries have failed to do so after many centuries.
I'm the one who pointed out back in 2005 that the liberal white MSM was hurting blacks in hip-hop. It was in 2005 when I was reading USA Today, my favorite newspaper, and saw an article about Young Jeezy. I had never heard of him before, but found it interesting that USA Today found the space to cover his arrest on weapons charges. Why did they do that? Probably because he was a young black rapper perpetuating the stereotype.
That is very unfortunate that that happened. But sereotypes tend to have a statistical basis. And this one certainly does. The media does tend to exaggerate average tendencies, even if the differences in the averages are small. But the bottom line is that blacks, the world over, do indeed commit more crime that other racial groups.
If raised in a better environment, things would be different.
Unfortunately, that is not true. The poor education argument doesn't hold any weight because corrections for socioeconomic status only removes 1/3 of the gap. Black students from families with incomes of $80,000 to $100,000 score considerably lower on the SAT than White students from families with $20,000 to $30,000 incomes. Despite what we might wish or what is politically acceptable or politically correct, multiple lines of evidence show that the disparity in IQ between differences races is real, and as the real world consequences show, from small issues of social establishments opening up in majority neighborhoods to the larger issues of education reform to the even larger issue of tackling global poverty and global development, this has deep impact on the conversation about social policy.
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