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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 10:15:23 2005, in response to Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:03:05 2005. And the end is nowhere in sight. Wait until SUMMER when the speculators doing the "futures" have their tickets punched ... meanwhile in DC, let's loot social security. Ya has to have a POLICY ... making the dollar dive for the weeds and pissing off the world isn't working very well. So far, all we've got is this Wal*Mart apparel and politicos stumbling over one another to see how much MORE wealth we can piss away as a nation before anybody notices. :(Watch for $4.00 by Labor Day though. :( |
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Posted by UWS Greg on Fri Mar 18 10:30:20 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 10:15:23 2005. True, bro. The end in nowhere in sight. But nothing will happen 'cause the puppeteers have 51% of the pop. by the cojones. Even a hint of backlash and they whip out the 3 G's (God, gays, guns) and the faithful fall to their knees in adoration. Gotta hand it to 'em. They've fine-tuned this to an art form. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 10:36:06 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by UWS Greg on Fri Mar 18 10:30:20 2005. bu$h will get ALL their gusn SOON and the NRA will still love him. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 10:42:57 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by UWS Greg on Fri Mar 18 10:30:20 2005. I was rather upset as the election rolled around that it was even close. One of the reasons why I could care less now that it's over is my old standby for reality - "OK, genius ... GO for it" coupled with "I live out in the sticks" ... they crash the economy, I already know how to start a fire and hunt live meat. I'd prefer to keep my house, but as long as I can find some firewood and a bridge abutment, I can do the Jeffrey Dahmer thing by eating the rich if I have to. :)But the very people whose lives revolve around the Rush idol ... heh. I can't WAIT to see their reaction when the gas station is closed and so is Pathmark. Heh. Could get VERY interesting indeed. I *love* to gawk at a train wreck. (grin) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:45:20 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 10:15:23 2005. OK. Lets pretend Congress convenes hearings on the gas price crisis and invites you to address the committee on how prices can be reduced.What would you suggest? |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 10:51:30 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:45:20 2005. Do anything possible to discourage demand for oil company products. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Fri Mar 18 10:56:51 2005, in response to Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:03:05 2005. Like all of us Yankees, I'm paying out my thingie for heating oil, but at $3.15 per I'm glad I no longer live and work in the Silicon Valley corridor between San Francisco and San Jose. While on the subject of San Francisco, I think I'll take this thread directly into "the Bay" and San Quentin. It is that institution where the latest Death Row inmate has already been inundated with messages from fawning women, at least two of whom have proposed marriage. Is there any self respect or shame anymore anywhere - I am naive as all get out... |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 11:07:13 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by cortelyounext on Fri Mar 18 10:56:51 2005. peterson has achieved celebrity status and this turns some people on regardless of how that status was achieved. What can you expect from the land of the SHITcom. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 11:15:40 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 10:51:30 2005. OK. Lets start with the biggest consumers of foreign oil - the automobile. Would you suggest that Congress create an escalating tax based on the size of a vehicle's engine? For example, in some parts of Europe, any vehicle with an engine under 1500 cc (1.5 liters) in displacement is exempt from gas use tax, but engines larger than that are taxed on a sliding scale. This is why you don't see many V-8's in Europe, except for the very high brand cars (Ferrari, BMW, et al).Sounds reasonable, right? Here's the problem: GM and Ford would scream their heads off that such a tax would make their companies unprofitable, because Americans are addicted to gas guzzlers, particularly large SUV's like the Hummer. Imposing such a tax would force people to buy smaller cars, forcing GM and Ford to cut back production of large cars and SUV's, requiring them to close plants and eliminate jobs. Those jobs are held by voters, you know, who would summarily vote the pro-tax pol's right out of office. Any other ideas? |
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Posted by UWS Greg on Fri Mar 18 11:23:39 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 10:42:57 2005. I've always been urban. Even the thought of raking a leaf, to say nothing of stalking live meat, is repulsive to me. So when the house of cards tumbles, I fear I'll be trapped in the detritus. But hey. Nothing like a "big finish" as they say on Broadway.But I recognize that alternate plans may be necessary- so I'm working on my ability to assimilate culturally elsewhere. I'm 100% fluent in Sp and Fr, could get German up to speed if necessary BUT- in my free time-- no b.s., bro-- I'm learning Chinese. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 11:27:27 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by UWS Greg on Fri Mar 18 11:23:39 2005. You are doing the right things to adapt to the future. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 11:27:59 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 11:15:40 2005. I can't disagree with you. |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri Mar 18 11:39:56 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 11:15:40 2005. I'm not sure we'd have to do much to the existing laws except change them so that SUVs are regulated as cars rather than as trucks. Currenly, SUVs don't count toward an automaker's corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) because the CAFE only counts cars, not "trucks."I'm not sure how to do that. Perhaps we could say anything witha back seat can no longer qualify as a truck. Mark |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri Mar 18 11:42:06 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:45:20 2005. Start selling gas by the liter (or by the quart if you think the metric system is for commies). That'd bring the price down to less than 80 cents at the most.: ) Mark |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 11:47:28 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:45:20 2005. They won't, but I'll bite ...1) Tell them STOP screwing around with Venezuela ... if the PEOPLE want a socialist government, give the dictator their skim off the top. Venezuela used to be almost 50% of our supply. Nigeria ... give every lawyer in the country a bank letter from the First Presbyterian Bank of Memphis giving them legal authority over the now-closed accounts of the former Prime Minister and anybody that's DUMB enough to send them money LOSES it. Oh wait, mission accomplished. But let's get NIGERIA back into the fold. That's MORE oil. 2) If you're going to spend money, then RAISE the taxes so the American people can SEE how y'all in congrefs are whizzing it away. Only reason why the dollar is worthless is the same old LIBERAL reason - you print money but don't back it, now it's junk bonds. I'm sorry, but "tax and spend" is nowhere NEAR as stupid as "borrow and spend" ... PAY yer damned bills or we're cutting you off. Just like Mastercard. :( 3) OTHER nations also were willing to sell us oil (back when we had a dollar, see (2)) but we've chosen to piss them off. Nations NOT either Venezuela nor Nigeria ... we're talking the "North Sea" nations. "Old Yurp" ... they'd rather sell to China too. And oh, what about LIBYA? We sold out and yet we haven't laid a single pipe yet. What's with that? Is Qaddafi our friend or NOT? And then there's RUSSIA ... before our beloved leader called their leader, "Pooty-poot" (which trashed THAT deal) there was lots of oil in Russia too back when we were cooperating with them when "Bubba" was President (remember how CHEAP "pooty-poot putty-putt" got to be int he days of YUKOS before Bush worked to throttle them to shore up MOB-ON's profits?) But hey ... what can I say? What we're doing under the God's Oil Party is SURE better ... so slap me and call me a liberal. :) |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 11:50:28 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 11:47:28 2005. Selkirk "more TRUTH than America can STAND" |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:05:12 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 11:47:28 2005. Heh ... saw yer reply, BIE ... alas, MORE thoughts ...4) SCROO Mexico ... PEMEX was yet ANOTHER supplier - but somehow for Maquiladores, Mexican truckers and illegals here in the US (as WELL as letting terrorists come across the border) our southwestern politicos have pandered to Y'ALL for long ENOUGH. Where's the GAS? (YES, Mexico TOO has cut back on us in favor of selling to other nations first - why? Beacuse the American Peso is worth less than the Mexican one) ... 5) STOP screwing with CANADA ... they still LIKE us, but it's wearing thin TOO fast. Don't tell them we'll explode missiles over Ottawa whenever we damned please - they have natural gas in such quantities that they have to BURN OFF the difference because we accuse them of being FRANCE. Alberta has PENTY of oil ... but we don't WANT it - same for the natural gas, and the latest purchases indicate they can keep their damned HYRDO too. What's WRONG with this picture? Canada is our FRIEND! :( 6) Site nuclear plants in the suburbs. Hicksville, Armonk, Bridgeport all are far enough to not affect major metropolitan centers, and the detritus can be shipped to Nashville. It'll help keep the city lit at night. But we NEED to do nuclear and anybody who doesn't like it will be issued one cord of wood for the winter. Good luck. 7) the TRACTION industry (steel or rubber wheel, matters not) will be provided tax incentives to deliver efficient AC polyphase motors for traction as well as the electric distribution infrastructure for wayside stations to sell to the general public a "charge" - let the oil companies have this enterprise so they don't whine ... it will encourage additional 10 cent a KWh competition from alternate traction motor battery charge marketers. 8) *HANG* the idjits who advocate hydrogen, fuel cells and ethanol as a possible alternative. Send them BACK to kindergarten and DON'T let them out of the classroom until they can count BTU's and show a positive flow. :) I'm done for now. Heh. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 12:07:16 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri Mar 18 11:39:56 2005. The UAW and the automakers would scream about any changes to the existing laws. They have enormous influence in Congress.That's why I believe that the internal combustion engine-fossil fuel combination will be with us for a long time to come. The US economy has a huge stake in the auto and oil industries and anything that negatively affects these industries faces monstrous opposition. So, if someone invented a "Mr. Fusion" today, I doubt it would see the light of day for decades. Who knows? Maybe someone already invented it but was squashed by the government and special interests. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:17:22 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by cortelyounext on Fri Mar 18 10:56:51 2005. No fa'shame ... this is AMERICA where more people watch American Idol than the evening news. Kinda asked and answered there, bro. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:23:43 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 11:15:40 2005. The ANSWER is electric traction. Look at the numbers the hybrids do with a BS gasoline-powered generator on board! And this is REALLY ON TOPIC (which is why I'm following up on the main board because FEW bother with this with all the stupid "so's your old man" political nonsense) ... what makes the R142's go is PRECISELY what's under the hood in all those HYBRIDS ... SUBWAY CAR MOTORS, quantity one, operating at 600VDC *JUST* like a subway train ... 'cept they use four per car, and auto gets by NICELY on just ONE "standard TA motor" ...If your "FUEL" is electrons, then foreign oil is IMMIDEIATELY removed as the major issue. And "hauling trucks" can have 2 or 4 motors (and additional power draw) and STILL eliminate most of the load of imported oil. Ah ... but "residential electric baseboard heat" is a killer because of hte electric rates. PLUGGING IN a car would also be expensive. Solution, back to nukes now that lessons have been learned, and in industrial and military and SPACE service, nukes are actually quite safe. And before we deal with the "deadly hazard" stuff, live downwind of a refinery and talk to me THEN ... just as dead, just about as fast. Since VEHICLES are the largest consumer of "the precious" it is our very love of TRAINS that actually leads to the answer for the future. Just gotta make better motors and better batteries. :) |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Mar 18 12:27:46 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:05:12 2005. I agree with you almost:–We need nuclear power in the short term. I still want someone to show me that it’s energy positive in the long term: (Energy Cost of Building Plant)+(Energy Cost of Refining Uranium)+(Energy Cost of Building Long-term Radionucleide Storage)>(Energy from Fission) —I would still like to see some form of sustainable agri-feedstock. I don’t know what it is—I don’t think we, as a human race, have found it or developed it yet. Something that we can use to feed distillation plants and naphtha crackers. We still need plastics. Ethanol from corn, which is just a subsidy to the big square states is not the solution. Ethanol from something else, maybe through fermentation, could be. Cows fart methane. Maybe we could look at the bacteria that produce the methane and isolate them so we can produce a high-quality source (though the image of Selkirk’s cows with collection tubes up their butts is somewhat entertaining…in a Kentucky-Fried movie sort of way) Hydrogen could play a part, but not hydrogen derived from oil. I do believe that we are not treating the energy problem seriously. The current “we’ll have hydrogen in 2020 but carry on with your SUV until then” mentality isn’t going to help the human race at all! |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Mar 18 12:29:38 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:17:22 2005. Well if there actually were any news in the evening news… |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:30:49 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by UWS Greg on Fri Mar 18 11:23:39 2005. Heh. Actually, you should take heart ... growing up in NYC got me over my "first kill" (hey mister turkey, you died for a CAUSE - Thanksgiving) and the ability to do the survival thing just getting home. Heh. But it's not as bad as it may seem if your mind is open. Eventually you get so hungry that you have a choice of chasing and stabbing it, or just curling up and dying. While we have our McMansion republicans ruling who bitch about a few hours in the dark and their TV dark and not being able to hit a chat room as they please - some of us have seen REAL problems. You adapt, or die ... that's what "Darwin Awards" are all about. :)I gots faith in ya bro ... that you're even THINKING about this all is a good sign. Figure out a plan, tuck it away and cackle as you make your escape if the need every presents itself. Bridge abutments as a living choice are pretty handy actually - you only need a wedge of cardboard to seal up against the wind and rain. And the rent's cheap. Heh. But picture the suit-covered anuses who freaked out and STILL blame Carter because they ran out of gas once. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:39:01 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 11:27:27 2005. "GLOBAL economy" bro ... "BE there." Like me. (or be an "American" and whine) ... :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:44:23 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 12:07:16 2005. Seriously - check out what's being designed for the hybrids ... those electric motors are actually poised to outperform internal combustion jobbies. The only REAL issue is how do you store the electrons? The really WEAK aspect of electric cars is the STORAGE issues ... THIS is where the "money" should be going - there's GOTTA be better than Lithium Ion storage ...Beyond that, the secondary issue is bringing the electric power grid and its sources up to par to DELIVER those electrons. Whoda thunk LOCOMOTIVE and SUBWAY CAR motors would be the answer? :) |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 12:44:32 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:39:01 2005. Right on! |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 12:47:30 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 12:07:16 2005. Give the UAW and the big 3 the contracts to produce the shit to make this happen. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:54:01 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by JohnL on Fri Mar 18 12:27:46 2005. Wow ... thanks for "chewy" there - am getting tired and stupid and need to pull the plug for the night. The PROBLEM with these (I worked for the NYS Public Service Commission in the Department of Public Service) and it's amusing to see discussions I had a decade ago come back to haunt me. Heh. I got into SERIOUS trouble among the Cuomoites by saying what I've been saying here, but nothing's changed. Science has an annoying habit of being immutable - argue all you want, the NUMBERS don't change. As much as mathematics were fashioned to fit the realities observed, the realities haven't changed, and the numbers are still what they are. :)Forgive me for going Penn and Teller, but ethanol is BULLSHIRT. In order to distill, you need HEAT. Current ethanol technology uses natural gas or oil to heat same ... the ethanol recovered has about 60% of the energy expended to make it. Better to have just sent that damned oil or gas down the pipeline to someone who could have spent it more wisely. For OTHER "alternatives" the numbers decline RAPIDLY. :( I'm all in FAVOR of "new energy sources" ... but I'm old enough to recognize some twit trying to patent a perpetual motion or "brown's gas" machine. Heh. I stand here OFFICIALLY as an engineer and declare, if YOU can show me an energy source that provides MORE energy than it requires to MAKE the energy source, I'll personally give you a hand job on HBO and I'll PAY for the airtime. Or, if preferred, your FAVORITE sexual fantasy will be paid to administer it to you if you just went "yuck!" :) I'm all for science and solutions. I'm NOT in favor of federal grants to crackpots ... at least not until they hand *ME* a check first. (grin) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 13:08:16 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by JohnL on Fri Mar 18 12:29:38 2005. SURE there is! I watch Jon Stewart EVERY night! No "Dateline" teases THERE. But yeah, one of the reasons why Peter Mansbridge is the news *I* watch. :) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 13:22:00 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 12:47:30 2005. Its actually the Big 2. Chrysler was swallowed up by Daimler-Benz. Its supposed to be a partnership, but its not. I think there's a lawsuit pending about how little say Chrysler has in new Daimler-Chrysler products. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 13:37:22 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 13:22:00 2005. True. and I don't even want to say what DahmerChrysler's winged hood trim reminds me of |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Mar 18 13:44:41 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 12:07:16 2005. Same thing with ceramic engines. It was invented, but then Ford paid the inventor seven or eight figures to lock up the idea, except for stock-car racing. (He's not going to argue; he is set for his life.) |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Mar 18 17:36:42 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:54:01 2005. Forgive me for going Penn and Teller, but ethanol is BULLSHIRT. In order to distill, you need HEAT. Current ethanol technology uses natural gas or oil to heat same ... the ethanol recovered has about 60% of the energy expended to make it. Better to have just sent that damned oil or gas down the pipeline to someone who could have spent it more wisely. For OTHER "alternatives" the numbers decline RAPIDLY. :(Absolutely, which is why I say it’s just a wasteful subsidy to farmers in the square states. Now, if we were fermenting the corn and getting some useful chemicals out of it, the story might be different. But no, sugar to alcohol might be free, but distillation is energy negative. However, if the corn were dried (sun=free) and burned directly to produce electricity that might be energy positive. I could sort of see the big crop fields out in the West punctuated by high-tech windmills (there’s a lot of wind blowing over the flat lands). Your comments in other posts about electric motors becoming ever more efficient is very apposite. Variable frequency multi-phase AC has the potential to knock the socks off everything else. We just need a good method of energy storage, and I don’t know how much better chemistries we’re going to find than LiIon. Sodium Sulphr looks promising, but I would have to feel very comfortable with the engineering when I consider that the chemistry works around 300°F, and molten Sodium metal is not something I would really want travelling around in an automobile. Methanol, as a method of transporting hydrogen sounds promising, but we have a way to go yet. Most all of the hydrogen experiments use oil as a source with some sort of handwaving “alternate source in the future”, excuse. We need to start doing the hard slog research, working out what’s real and what’s just a pipedream. Maybe the $5/gallon of gas (which I confidently expect next year) will start concentrating some minds. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Mar 18 18:11:54 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by cortelyounext on Fri Mar 18 10:56:51 2005. With gas going so high, I am surprised none of those AIRHEADS (and they know who they are) have had their heads burst yet! |
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Posted by Clayton on Fri Mar 18 19:50:37 2005, in response to Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:03:05 2005. Maybe it's time to crack open the reserves to flood the AMERICAN oil market with our stockpiled oil. That oughta drive prices way down and prevent an economic disaster. |
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Posted by American Pig on Fri Mar 18 21:05:44 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 13:08:16 2005. The Daily Show is almost 100% true. Pathetic isn't it? (not on the DS's part) |
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Posted by American Pig on Fri Mar 18 21:17:47 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:05:12 2005. 8) *HANG* the idjits who advocate hydrogen, fuel cells and ethanol as a possible alternative.NO! Ethanol is a great alternative. Imagine a world full of ethanol fueling stations: Some for you, some for me. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 21:20:38 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by American Pig on Fri Mar 18 21:17:47 2005. 8-) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Fri Mar 18 21:38:49 2005, in response to Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:03:05 2005. Awesome. That's great news.I finally decided to give up my oil "boycott" that I've been on since $1.40. It's been so long since I've driven around consistantly to see the backwoods and all that; that I'm now sucking it in. Now will I become those people they interview in the paper everytime gas goes up. "well, gas went up so much, i had to cut back on my grocery shopping. Putting dead dinosaurs in my engine is much more important than eating. I gotta keep my lead foot and quick braking habits, and to idle as much as possible in traffic. No more vegetables for me!" |
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Posted by willD on Sat Mar 19 01:27:39 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:23:43 2005. I agree wholeheartedly. Even biting the greater pollution of increased Coal consumption for a short period while the NIMBYs are told to shut up and sit down while new Nukes and perhaps even solar-thermal powerplants go in would be an improvement over the current situation. Places like California and the west could likely make great use of solar thermal powerplants, where land is cheap and the sun plentiful. Nuclear would work better for the more expensive and cloudier east, provided the NIMBYs can be overcome.Nuclear powerplants should be of a standardized design, it doesn't take a whole lot of thinking to see that France actually has an excellent power system derived from a standardized reactor design. We need to end the myth that nuclear power is a for-profit industry, have the US government (or perhaps even the Military) run it like Rickover ran the US Navy's nuclear program, without the interference he ran on competing programs. Solar thermal powerplants have the advantage of being both fairly cheap and almost environmentally non-existant. Just take metal, shine it, and bend or tilt the metal focus to focus the sunlight onto some sort of liquid which will be heated and run through a turbine. It's vastly cheaper than photovoltaic cells, and produces almost no side effects. Other more exotic power sources would include something like a Microwave power system, with solar energy pumped down to recieving stations by microwave energy. Tidal energy could be a possibility, and certainly if we could make it work, Fusion could provide the answer to almost all our prayers (except of course what to do with all the heat, since all energy degrades to heat eventually). We cannot utilize either of these technologies effectively with the automobile, which is basically restricted to petroleum derived fuels, fuel cells, or batteries, all of which have a greater inefficiency than the simple system used to relay power to a train. If we are ever to get serious about regaining our position in the world then we need a drastic decrease in the import of oil from other countries, and that decrease almost only can be brought about by the expansion and electrification of transit facilities. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Mar 19 02:28:31 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by willD on Sat Mar 19 01:27:39 2005. We need to end the myth that nuclear power is a for-profit industry, have the US government (or perhaps even the Military) run it like Rickover ran the US Navy's nuclear program, without the interference he ran on competing programs.You are dead wrong there Rickover is the personified reason for the nuclsar industry's lack of credibility, getting waay from this reputation is why many nuclear personnel should be college trained and hired into the industry right after graduation. use Navy folks too, but not as the only source of personnel. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 19 10:38:02 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by willD on Sat Mar 19 01:27:39 2005. Solar takes up a lot of space. But it could work on rooftops.The only issue with nuclear, is: where do you put the spent fuel. Many scientists, who have no connection with Nevada politicians, do not believe Yucca Mtn. is safe for 100,000 years. Ask the residents of Richland, WA how they feel about spent nuclear fuel. Wind is a great source for the northern half of the country. It only takes up 1% of the land, so it doesn't cut into farming the way solar would. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Mar 19 11:04:32 2005, in response to Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:03:05 2005. Well, this could be good news for transit builders. And yet another reason why the sunbelt is not always paradise... |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Mar 19 11:09:47 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 11:15:40 2005. Not really, most of those "jobs" are in Mexico (gotta love outsourcing). Besides, the fact is, you could always make gas-effecient SUV's. Or, you could hop on a train (if you're lucky enough). But really, GM and Ford is gonna die at the hands of Toyota eventually. Midas well not hold up the future. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Mar 19 11:12:06 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 19 10:38:02 2005. I'm all for wind. And this would be a huge revenue generator for the Northern rust belt. |
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Posted by brooklynQB on Sat Mar 19 11:17:50 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Clayton on Fri Mar 18 19:50:37 2005. YES! And when the day comes when that oil is needed to sustain us or even the entire human race, we'll rest easy knowing it all went for shit. Canada anyone? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Sat Mar 19 11:40:04 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by brooklynQB on Sat Mar 19 11:04:32 2005. They said that at $1.70 or less(in my locality). Maybe $1.50 and I don't see any new tracks being laid out. Just a negative rating from the FTA and some bus routes being cut.Orlando's commuter rail admendment to the fiscal bill would be in there gas prices or not....in congress that is. |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Sat Mar 19 17:39:30 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 11:15:40 2005. U.S. automakers have absolutely no confidence in their own engineers. They believe only Japanese and European companies can make good fuel efficient cars, and that the only way for U.S. companies to compete is by making sure big gas guzzlers stay economically viable for consumers. If I were a Detroit engineer I would be insulted by this attitude.Mark |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 19 17:41:53 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by JohnL on Fri Mar 18 17:36:42 2005. Precisely ... and just to amuse you - a friend of mine has a buddy over in Schoharie - a sweet corn farmer - who has one of the most unusual boilers I've ever seen to heat his farm house. It's some sort of converted coal burner that he has rigged up with a conveyor belt that feeds it dried corn kernels from ears of corn that didn't look pretty enough to be selling. And the corn kernels provide his heat all year round. Strangely, no popping noises either. So even there you have something. :) |
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