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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 19 17:44:26 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by American Pig on Fri Mar 18 21:05:44 2005. Certainly a better dedication to fact finding than any of the professional media ... compare to "Dateline" ... heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 19 17:45:40 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by American Pig on Fri Mar 18 21:17:47 2005. With "sin taxes" my pint of lunch is expensive enough as it is. I'm not ABOUT to share it with some spooty Lexus. :) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Sat Mar 19 17:55:55 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by JohnL on Fri Mar 18 12:27:46 2005. We dont' need any energy plants, China does.Technically, today we have 7 too many plants. In the future we'll even out. Why you say? Did he finally go nuts? No, it's just the phantom load. Keep something plugged in and turned off, it's still humming away a little bit. Sure if i keep my printer plugged in, but turned off it's not taking a lot of energy. But as our conservative friend who deosn't get the emissions things on here doens't grasp, it's the marco aspect. One printer, not much energy(or any appliance). But times it by 50 billion turned off printers, you got a massive effect. And of course power leakage, whatever the figure for that must be. They estimate we're operating 6 or 7 power plants just because we have things plugged in that we don't use having a small load still being used. Will we start a tv public awareness campaign for this? NOPE. Can't make money. More profitable to inflate the prices and build more. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 19 18:02:02 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 19 10:38:02 2005. Wind actually doesn't have the uptime you might expect except perhaps on the plains. If the wind isn't blowing, no power. And the turbine actually doesn't kick in unless the wind is above a certain amount - I think 6 MPH or so sustained - and when the wind exceeds a certain amount - I think 25 MPH or so, it cuts out due to overspeed. There are large periods of time in the northern climbs where the turbines ain't whirring.Out OFFSHORE however, the conditions are a bit more favorable ... |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 19 22:19:18 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 19 18:02:02 2005. Wind actually doesn't have the uptime you might expect except perhaps on the plains. If the wind isn't blowing, no power. And the turbine actually doesn't kick in unless the wind is above a certain amount - I think 6 MPH or so sustained - and when the wind exceeds a certain amount - I think 25 MPH or so, it cuts out due to overspeed. There are large periods of time in the northern climbs where the turbines ain't whirring.Out OFFSHORE however, the conditions are a bit more favorable ... I agree the northeast isn't as good for wind as the northern plains. But even in the northeast the ridgetops in non-scenic areas (such as the entire southern tier of NY State) are a perfect candidate. And the northern plains are BIG. Cover Noth Dakota with windmills and you've reduced its agricultural output by 1%, reduced its scenic value by 0%, and produced a LOT of electricity, at least 9 months of the year. It's a lot more effective in land use than solar, and it doesn't require Yucca Mtn. to be impermeable to water for 100,000 years. I also agree about offshore. "Environmentalists" who don't want their view spoiled are living in a dream world. Do they realize how much their view is being spoiled right now by air pollution from power plants? View distances in the general area of the Grand Canyon have shrunk dramtically since one single huge coal burning plant was built in Page, AZ, around 1970. |
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NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California) |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 19 22:25:50 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 19 18:02:02 2005. http://truewind.teamcamelot.com/NY/Lots of good wind in NYS. Admittedly, the best is in "forever wild" areas, but there's plenty of wind in areas that aren't specifically protected for their scenery. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 19 22:39:56 2005, in response to NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by AlM on Sat Mar 19 22:25:50 2005. http://rredc.nrel.gov/wind/pubs/atlas/maps.htmlEven Texas has some highly favorable areas. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 19 23:17:56 2005, in response to NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by AlM on Sat Mar 19 22:25:50 2005. True, but bear in mind also that you're looking at averages with some mighty high speeds at times, and lots of low speeds at times. The northern Adirondacks and the area around Ellenville have been demonstrated to be the most practical and actually have windmills turning. Definitely PART of the solution, but on quiet days, you need something else ...Three cheers though, it's SOMETHING ... |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 20 02:36:14 2005, in response to Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:03:05 2005. OH NO !i am late on this one ! THREE DOLLARS AND FIFTEEN """"f""" CENTS ? >>>>>>>>>...WWWWWHHHHHHAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT......!!! _________Sh_________________T ! |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 20 07:06:39 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 19 23:17:56 2005. "but on quiet days, you need something else ..."True. Gas fired turbines are a great quick start-up solution. Also, that hydrogen you malign so much could come in handy. Make it on windy days to store energy. Should be almost as efficient as a hydroelectric pumped storage plant like the one at Blenheim. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 07:45:24 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by AlM on Sun Mar 20 07:06:39 2005. Heh. Touché! :)Strangely enough, the pumped water scheme works pretty well. I wonder what the efficiency of pumping water uphill during excess capacity would compare to electrolysis of water and then pumping it to sufficient pressure to liquify it. In addition to Blenheim over the hill and a bit south of here, we also have AIR PRODUCTS, Inc ... they make various fractions of the atmosphere there over in Selkirk including the "Precious" but it seems their big business is Oxygen, Helium, Nitrous (of course) and DiOx ... you should *SEE* the power lines that go into their place - they're located DIRECTLY across the street from the Albany Steam Plant (NoMO - now Natural Grid) ... we're talking BIGGEE wires - six of them directly out of the plant ... ain't no pissant windmill gonna power THIS witch. Heh. Don't forget though - I'm an engineer ... if it WORKS, keep doing it. If it DOESN'T work, STOP! =) Committees of know-it-all academics, politicians and other kooks are the antithesis of engineering. Make it work. Those who refuse to recognize a smoking crater that's over budget ... thwack! |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 20 08:17:50 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 07:45:24 2005. "ain't no pissant windmill gonna power THIS witch."GE sells wind turbines for offshore that will do 3.6 megawatts at wind speeds of 14 to 25 meters/sec. (That's meters, not feet). So they only need to shut down in a hurricane. I think wind tchnology's come a long way since you last looked at it. http://www.gepower.com/businesses/ge_wind_energy/en/products.htm |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 09:14:09 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by AlM on Sun Mar 20 08:17:50 2005. Last time I *had* to look at it was when I was with the PSC - having resigned to do what I do now in peace back in 1996. Obviously the "state of the art" trudges on ... I certainly hope you're not taking my technojabs personally ... I have a purpose in life, being the pin to prick overinflated politicos and their parrots. :)OK, that's probably pretty close to the load of AIR PRODUCTS ... I couldn't get OVER the gauge of the conductors feeding them, especially considering that they were 465 kV lines! Woof! :( I'm NOT anti-wind ... thought I think the damned windmills are in the wrong place - if they erected 50 units in the CAPITOL, I suspect that at least when the legislature is in session, all the OTHER power plants across the state can be shut down for an oiling. But I digress. (grin) What I've tried to say is that wind power is VALID, although there's damned few places in NYS where they can actually twirl enough to be useful. And even when they're useful, once you're up in the particularly STRANGE topography of upstate New York, you tend to have a weak wind starting at about 6AM, growing in intensity to about 10AM whereupon it dies off fast and becomes "light and variable" until around 2PM where it picks up again to something interesting at 3PM and then tapers off until around sunset whereupon it gets dark, wind is too "light and variable" to be of much use and overnight ... nada ... such is the metereorology up here - one of my hobbies ... SURE you get power, and actually some near the peaks, but not COVERING the peaks with the intensity required ... and the locations we've discussed before are pretty much as good as it gets ... but the REALITY is for WIND power to REALLY work for NEW YORK, we need to put them on ALL of the beaches on Long Island. The wind is MUCH more stable and reliable there. Now ASK yourself, would Long Island's south shore GO for it? :( Asked and answered ... yeah we got wind - especially in the capitol ... but just how stable is it? Problem. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Sun Mar 20 09:46:21 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 09:14:09 2005. I recall an article about ranchers with plenty of wind blowing around putting turbines up. They get extra income, nothing much happens to the land. The wind is coming, so you may as well use it.It's not as if we're going 100% wind. But if you get a %age of the energy coming from wind that's blowing around anyway in this manner, that's all that matters. What if they generate enough extra load that it equals one new power plant? Good enough to me. I think some of us have a problem with the all or nothing scenario. Like the don't build an LRT in my city because it wont' take 100% of the cars off the road. Rediculous. Percentages of this or that will get you somewhere. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Mar 20 10:06:01 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by Orange Blossom Express on Sun Mar 20 09:46:21 2005. Windmill farms coexisting with ranching is the classic example of concurrent land use that is cited in any basic Environmental Geology course. |
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OOO! Random thought! (Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California)) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 10:17:28 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by Orange Blossom Express on Sun Mar 20 09:46:21 2005. One of the things that was learned on the Norge/Swedish peninsula was that geothermal "extraction" DOES have subtle influences on the "underground" ... let's say we put up a HUGE amount of windmills. Anyone who understands aerodynamics (more properly "fluid dynamics") realizes that if you dissipate energy into a "sink", that the patterns and waveflows of those "diminished by apsorption" dynamics can result in changes to the natural "eddies" downwind from the point of absorption of that energy. Ellenville is already showing subtle forestation effects among trees generally downwind of the turbines ... not anything MUCH as yet, but noticeable. Deserves more observation before conclusion, but conclusions appear evident until PROVEN.Any time you disturb natural flows (as in geothermal, windmill, or HAARP) of atmospherics, meteorological effects occur - compare ATLANTA as one of the best examples of "modification" as it occurred faster there than in most other "POOF! You're a CITY!" situations of sufficient observation time ... Windmills modify their climate ... but the question IS ... how SUBSTANTIAL *is* the "butterfly effect?" As an engineer, if isotopes can now be chemically reduced, there ARE stable isotopes which can be made of nuclear waste that are no longer "radioactive" in *ANY* way as they've achieved a "stable" nucleus ... we're apparently getting close, at least for SOME isotopes. The question of STORAGE of what's dangerous now could very likely be neutralized 50-100 yeras from now, long before the shelf-life of the liners of the waste would decay sufficiently to pose a risk. Yeah, yeah, said it before, I understand. Radioactive daughter products DO decay into stable compounds if the "physics" is right in a particular situation. Hell - there's a LONG line of lead up and down the valleys from Jersey to Albany county - there's RADON emissions and there's LEAD ... and some natural uranium as well in that lode ... point being that lead, though poisonous is a BARRIER to radioactivity and not radioactive itself ... If we DON'T do windmills and nukes, then we're GOING to burn COAL ... and COAL has radioactive FALLOUT when it's burned ... google it yourself if you don't believe me ... COAL provides radioactive fallout because it tends to vein where there's uranium. But don't believe me. With Oil through the roof, and republicans giggling and stroking their ... uh ... memberships ... ONLY answer other than nukes is COAL. Choose. :( |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Mar 20 11:20:51 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 18 12:54:01 2005. ? |
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Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California) |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 20 11:56:26 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 09:14:09 2005. "although there's damned few places in NYS where they can actually twirl enough to be useful."Not according to the NYS wind map I pointed to. Every ridge top in the Southern Tier and the non-forever-wild portions of the Catskills and Adirondacks. Just offshore on Lake Ontario. Off Long Island. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 12:02:43 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by vengence on Sun Mar 20 11:20:51 2005. Heh. Sorrry for going existential on yer butt ... (grin) ... the latest yuppie bullshirt is "hydrogen bladders on the rooftops of hummers for energy efficiency" ... to which I say BULLSHIRT! For all the manure spreading called "hydrogen cars" it's nonsense - you CAN'T have hydorgen cars at a time when energy to MAKE hydrogen is getting more and more expensive ... it's BULLSHIRT. SCEINCE says so, yo mamma. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 12:14:50 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by AlM on Sun Mar 20 11:56:26 2005. Saw the maps, but also understand what "average" means ... the HAPPY word is "sustained" ... meteorologically speaking. Windmills are WORTH their installation where the word is "sustained" ... upstate New York does not HAVE "sustained" ... just "average" ... once again, I'm not ARGUING with ya here, but let's get past the "hype" and into "reality" ... as an engineer, I deal with "can *I* plug INTO this and TRUST it" if I'm to buy into a concept ... MY standards of acceptance are a bit more rigid that academic types ... I have to COUNT on a source to embrace it commercially ... and "average" just don't cut it for a plan. I need "sustained" ...LOTS of places offer wind generation "sustained" ... SEA BREEZES being same ... upstate temperature gradients and "downflows" are too BRIEF in period to be "trusted" sources ... don't mind me, MY definitions of "electric reliability" are "EVERY hour, not just THIS one" ... I run a business, can't afford to go dark just because it's "lunchtime" ... :) |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 20 12:45:28 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 12:14:50 2005. Saw the maps, but also understand what "average" means ... the HAPPY word is "sustained" ...Everything you say applies 100% if you are relying on a single wind turbine to power your home or business. But when you have a whole grid of wind turbines, the total output is going to be more reliable on an hour by hour basis. When there's a lull in one county there'll be gusts in another. Understood, it will still take a major slump when the whole state is in the midst of sultry July weather, etc. But nobody says wind has to be our only source of power. Also, think about these two things: - Most electric power in the home goes for heat (not in NYS, but nationally). The heat needs are highest in the winter when the wind is most reliable. - Times of low wind are very likely to be times of high solar radiation - solar panels on rooftops can (a) protect the house from the heat of the sun and (b) generate electricity for air conditioning. Yes, you'll still have a calm hot night across the whole state. So solar and wind can't handle all the needs. But they can do a lot. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 13:16:10 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by AlM on Sun Mar 20 12:45:28 2005. Not one OUNCE of dissing ya there ... but since we're discussing it, want to help put out as MANY "potential" arguments as possible in hopes of sucking other scientific minds into this as well as skeptics, and hopefully use THIS thread as an articulation of the possibilities. I'm sorry - lately, I've found the OFF-topic boar ***FAR*** more interesting than the main one given that ALL we're off topic about TRULY would benefit RAIL and mass transit ... alas, we've got politicos which are MUCH more aborbed in "breathing tubes" than AMTRAK. :(Sorry - life and death issues are best left up to GOD or TOM DELAY. I'll discuss ENERGY issues rather than TOM DELAY. :( |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 18:03:26 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by BIE on Fri Mar 18 13:37:22 2005. Don't blame me - my family switched to Toyota. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 18:06:28 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by BIE on Sat Mar 19 02:28:31 2005. Put at least some of the nuclear energy in Nevada, so that the fuel can be buried easily. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 18:08:18 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 19 10:38:02 2005. Canadian Shield/ Australia are seismically stable...so dump the fuel in the outback.... nah, too far away. How about Texas or Oklahoma? |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 18:23:20 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 20 07:45:24 2005. Another idea for slow days, which tend to be in the summer... |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 18:32:45 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by brooklynQB on Sat Mar 19 11:09:47 2005. GM and Ford is gonna die at the hands of Toyota eventuallyUnless they adapt... but, let's face it, we don't really need GM and Ford hogging the government's ass, do we? Let 'em croak. Invest in building American rail and bus companies instead. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Mon Mar 21 18:42:47 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 18:32:45 2005. GM announced today they're cutting production of cars, or rear wheel vehicles. In a confusing USA today story.That's good news after all the opt-ed's saying GM's 80% profit shortfall was because, compared with the japs, they don't make cars, only SUV's, therefore people who are buying cars, with the drop in demand for SUV's are going to asia. So good move GM on doing the opposite. Too bad I like Chevy. I guess I can get one outside the US since those will still be made. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 18:43:18 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 19 17:41:53 2005. In a desert, try this. In a jungle, try water turbines and water flumes. |
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Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 21 18:55:19 2005, in response to Re: NYS Wind Map (Gas Hits $3.15 in California), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 18:23:20 2005. Interesting angle! Thanks! :) |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Mar 21 19:09:13 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 18:32:45 2005. Well, the economies of Detroit would certainly like automobiles to be produced in this country. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 19:29:46 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 20 02:36:14 2005. That's bupkis. A book tied in with the 1970s Buck Rogers TV show predicted that oil would be "black gold" burned at "four dollars to the gallon" by 1987! (Of course, this was made back when OPEC was on its infamous power trip...) |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Mon Mar 21 19:49:14 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by JohnL on Mon Mar 21 19:09:13 2005. Autos will be produced in this country, they'll just be Nissans from Mississippi and Hondas from Ohio instead of Fords and Chevys from Detroit.Mark |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Mon Mar 21 19:59:57 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mark Michalovic on Mon Mar 21 19:49:14 2005. OT, but I saw the Sable/Taurus Factory in Atlanta, on I-75. Honda built a giant plant in South Carolina, the exit is called Honda Way. Massive. I think it was in the oddly named intergalatic free trade zone district or something similar and less sci-fi sounding.There was someone in Kentucky I believe, I forget who. I'm thinking Ford for some reason, but the stickers I saw those on should've been the Atlanta ones, so I don't know. My little Chevy was from Canada, but that was built in 95. I used to notice a trend for American cars being built overseas, foreign cars being built here. How's that happen, if that's still happening? Jeff W |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 21 20:06:56 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 19:29:46 2005. Even sadder is that folks don't realize what the REAL reason is for the cost of gasoline these days - the worthless DOLLAR. :( |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 20:09:34 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 21 20:06:56 2005. Feh, Indonesia's seen worse happen to its currency. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 21 21:03:01 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 20:09:34 2005. So have others ... ah well ... as long as China's economy is tied to our dollar, nobody'll notice. :) |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 21:09:49 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 21 21:03:01 2005. Whoopie! :) Let's peg the dollar to the euro! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 21 21:52:24 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Mar 21 21:09:49 2005. That'd be like playing hillbilly music backwards - wife returns, dog comes home and you get your job back. :) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 21 22:13:57 2005, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Orange Blossom Express on Mon Mar 21 19:59:57 2005.  I used to notice a trend for American cars being built overseas, foreign cars being built here Yeah, GM builds locomotives in Canada too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 03:23:03 2025, in response to Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 18 10:03:05 2005. Hmm. That's $5.14 in 2025 dollars. Currently the average reported price per gallon in CA is $4.39/gallon. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 15 09:53:43 2025, in response to Re: Gas Hits $3.15 in California, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 03:23:03 2025. I prefer a formula, if you can figure it out or find one,comparing the: Cost per barrel to the cost per gallon in a given year cost per barrell to the cost per gallon in current year. Not all things are equal in the regulatory state. finlation metrics ignore much. The price should be more today with the same cost per barrel. |
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