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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 8 09:09:12 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by 3-9 on Wed May 7 18:50:28 2014. And if Israel stopped being the Jewish state it is now and turned against its population...Nice job trying to equate two completely unrelated concepts and hoping I won't notice. And just because other demographics haven't created their own countries (and others have, or at least tried, BTW) doesn't mean that doing so is wrong or that those other demographics don't want it. Ah, so many demographics want to create their own countries. Only the Jews have actually succeeded in having a country purpose-built for them. Remind me how Jews are so oppressed again? THEY voted to make it a Jewish state, and that is their business. The issue isn't that they voted to make it a Jewish state, the issue is that they're trying to artificially control its population lest a future vote decide to make it more secular. Wow, that's a lot of qualifications just so you can exclude the Native American tribes who are semi-autonomous and even have their own governments. Semi-autonomous but still under the jurisdiction of the United States— attempting to issue their own passports didn't work very well. And otherwise, you're still wrong about Israel being for Jews "exclusive use" (the Muslim Arabs and Christians living there most likely will disagree with you). You're nitpicking. "Exclusive use" is a deliberate exaggeration for dramatic effect. Muslims, Arabs, and Christians are allowed to live there, but their right to do so is curtailed so as to preserve a majority population of a decidedly unpopular religion. As for a dedicated state for a demographic, not odd at all. Go to a map, and look for Yugoslavia. Or Czechoslovakia. Or count how countries have the word "Sudan" in them. Apples to oranges. In all of those cases, two demographics living in one geographical area didn't like each other, so they drew a line down the middle of the area to create one country for one demographic and a second for the other. Israel is a geographical area set aside for an entire demographic's worldwide population— a house party to which all of Demographic A is invited, not merely a line down the middle of the house to prevent disputes between its two residents. Just look at the Republican party, and how our government has been getting progressively less effective over the past 20 years. I'm rolling my eyes, given that I just had to point out that the Republican party was a terrorist organisation and/or that they're supporting a Christian theocracy to people on your side of this very argument. (Possibly you yourself, I can't be bothered to check.) Look at our attitudes towards immigrants, from people who were probably descended from immigrants themselves. Refugees from genocide are still more likely to be accepted. If not, there are plenty of other countries to try— France, South Africa, Australia, Israel, Canada, take your pick. If you're really worried that other countries will shut their doors, you should agree with my opposition to exclusive birthright citizenship. Are you honestly expecting somebody who has a genuine need for a Jewish state not to use whatever legal resources at their disposal to obtain it, like buying property, building settlements on it, and convincing politicians to take up the issue? The "genuine need" for said Jewish state is the supposed oppression faced by Jews. If you can buy and build enough property to make your own country and convince politicians to take up the issue right through recognising the sovereignty of said country, then you're clearly not being oppressed. Maybe Israel should open its doors and welcome demographics facing enough oppression that they can't go build their own country. |
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