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Posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 20:00:35 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 12:08:01 2014. It is virtually impossible to not be considered Jewish under religious law if you already were considered Jewish.Great, more arbitrary nonsense. So a thoroughly observant Jew has to jump through hoops to prove he's Jewish because he converted recently, while someone who is manifestly not Jewish and proudly proclaims that he isn't is considered a Jew anyway because he used to be? You still fail to understand the problem with that thread... The problem is that I said I wasn't observing Passover and a bunch of nutters threw a fit and declared it was "antisemitic" to not observe Jewish religious law or to perform Jewish celebrations in a manner they deem "incorrect." No one has provided any alternate explanation. For that matter, no one has answered my question re: the tref Seder. If you need a reminder, I asked: So suppose I had said: "I'm celebrating by going to a Seder where we will be eating non-kosher meat and cheese cubes that were prepared in a kitchen filled with chametz, and we will be reading from a homemade Haggadah which contains a story not in any Torah ever printed." Since I can't figure out the logic behind the claims of antisemitism in that thread, it's an obvious clarifying question to ask. Yet no one seems able to answer it. ...which is why you have so many problems with people here... No, I have problems with people here because so many people here are nutters. You'll notice that I haven't had any problems with the people here who are not nutters. ...and with the police. What does that have to do with anything? Are you claiming the police are somehow drawn to me by the smell of deliciously tref cheeseburgers? Because that only happened once. In actuality, I haven't had any problems with the police for years now, but telling you why would unleash a wave of irony that may cause undue harm to SubChat's servers. The "requirements" of what the text of the Haggadah should contain are fairly easy to fulfill, much of it is custom that has been virtually universally accepted by Jews worldwide at this point anyway. It was a satire mocking the entire Passover story as ludicrous and implausible from the complete nonexistence of Jewish slaves in Egypt to God's apparent need to convince some dude to agree with his plan before he could implement it to the absurdity of parting a sea. In limerick form. I doubt it has been universally accepted by Jews worldwide. So what about the whole of the ceremony? Antisemitic or not? You don't understand the difference between respect and a free pass on criticism. I'm afraid that's your failing despite your attempts to project it onto me. You would respect me and every other Jewish poster on this board who keeps Passover if you don't make your asinine, childish post about what you might want to eat during the holiday... Expecting me to refrain from mentioning a wide range of thoroughly innocuous subjects lest you get irrationally offended is not asking for "respect." It's not necessarily asking for a free pass from criticism, but it's definitely asking me to disrupt my life and walk on eggshells to accommodate your silly habits. It's a bit like asking me not to invite Selkirk and Bingbong out for a beer because you are a recovering alcoholic— but without the justification that your successful recovery is actually beneficial. ...and then tell the rest of us who prefer to keep kosher for Passover we're backwards and mindlessly following what we've instructed to do via "fairy tale" and holding back all of humanity. I don't think I said that. Do you happen to have a link handy? I'm sure I said that religion is holding humanity back, but I don't think I applied similar sentiments to any individual practitioners. Religion is a fairy tale, though, and it is holding humanity back, and expecting me not to mention either of these things because you don't like them most definitely is asking for a free pass from criticism. Conversely, no religious person here AFAIK has told you that your religious beliefs or lack thereof hold back humanity or should be abandoned outright. No? Really? Not that it matters. I wouldn't mind if they did. I'd argue the point, and I'd defend what I believe, but I'd never claim they're being "disrespectful" for criticising what I believe and I'd certainly never argue that they shouldn't be allowed to under penalty of being labeled "offensive." I certainly wouldn't try to equate that criticism with persecution of any demographic I happened to be in. |
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