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Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 11 05:23:55 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 11:41:31 2014. Irrelevant. You claimed all Arabs not living in Israel want to destroy Israel. That's racist.Subjunctive mood "The beginning" was 1948. It is no longer the beginning. And now they are letting in other people, including refugees. The aforementioned Ugandan is a lower priority for entry permission that the person who shows up at their border and says "I'm from Canada (and I'm also Jewish) and I want to come in because it looks like fun or summat." So did Israel's policy prevent him from trying to emigrate to the US? Or Canada? Or Europe? How am I supposed to have "empathy" for the hypothetical victims of the 2014 holocaust that isn't happening? You can't even begin to imagine what it was like to be through the Holocaust or a pogrom, or at least have a relative who did and told you about it, and then you expect the Jewish members of this board to take you seriously?? For real?? You asked whether I'd trust other countries to take me in if I were in the late 1940s and had just watched my friends and relatives killed. I pointed out that it was moot, because Israel was set up for that specific purpose. Dodging by omission. I said "And since this is a hypothetical situation where you don't like Israel's Law of Return policy, we'll leave that out and you'll have to go through the hoops just like everyone else." Not to mention that up until 1948, there was no Israel. Although it's curious that you'd accuse me of lack of empathy when your own empathy stops abruptly at the in-group border. Jews were not the only people to be killed in the Holocaust (and turned away from other countries) so why wasn't Israel just as inclined to welcome them? Their first priority was their own people. Remember what I said about achievable goals? Not to mention that a lot of the other people who died already had a home country. I wouldn't exactly call the current Israel/Palestine arrangement a "working solution." And that racism and sexism are problematic hardly helps your point— you've dismissed "the Arab race" as evil and I recall hearing that Israel has a pretty big problem with sexism. You wouldn't, but the people who moved to Israel would. Nobody said it was a perfect solution. Unlike yours, it's actually been implemented. On the contrary. Trying to make sure there are a few places you can flee to in a pinch is a more robust solution than declaring that you can absolutely rely on one country that may be gone, no longer accepting, or no longer safe when you actually need to flee. Considering that the one country is going to be around in the foreseeable future, it's better than no country you can rely on. And like I said before, they succeeded in creating that country. How about your solution? OK, you got me there. Doing nothing and assuming everything will be OK is a damn sight more achievable than actually improving matters. Carving out a country and making it livable is hardly doing nothing. And they seem to have gotten farther with their solution than yours. |
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