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My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006

Hello everyone,I wanted to suggest a route regarding the old LIRR Rockaway Beach branch that was abandoned in the 1960's. Currently the trackway is owned by the city but has been in a state of deterioration and subject to illegal dumping. I was thinking, they should re use the whole portion that is intact for some kind of shuttle or subway route (I know that portions are currently used for the A train but I mean that re use the Ozone park, Woodhaven stop, etc.). I hear that there are plans to convert it into a bike path and pedestrian walkway but I feel that it is a waste of money and time ( personally I think it would only work with the high line being that its in Manhattan but not for Queens). I know this is a bit weird but would the MTA accept (consider) such proposals from average citizens who live in the area like me (who do I contact)? Does anyone have any other ideas for the abandon area? Part of the LIRR portion can be seen from Richard Panse's photo here towards your left: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?28741 and in David Pirmann's photo shows the trackbed itself in the 60's http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?31925

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by JBar387 on Thu Jul 20 21:12:59 2006, in response to My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006.

I would like to see something done with the ROW in means of transportation service, But remember the MTA would rather waste 100 million on useless ideas than legit ones. So it is most unlikely the ROW will ever see service ever again.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jul 20 21:21:35 2006, in response to My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006.

You can always write to MTA and suggest an idea and ask for feedback. Write to Public Affairs, 347 Madison Av, NY NY 10017

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by L Train on Thu Jul 20 23:34:03 2006, in response to My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006.

It's a good idea but NIMBY's would object since they think the property values would decline if this was rebuilt. They whine at townhall meetings and write to the Queens Press. They have too much clout.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 21 09:25:49 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jul 20 21:21:35 2006.

Do you actually think anyone there would take it seriously or would you just get a polite bureaucratic response such as the following? "Thank you very much for your interest in New York City Transit. However do to budget considerations we cannot consider this proposal at the current time."

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 09:43:53 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 21 09:25:49 2006.

Since you've obviously never written to them (your post makes that clear) why don't you try it?

Ihave 20 years worth of correspondence from them proving you are wrong.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by JBar387 on Fri Jul 21 10:01:35 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by L Train on Thu Jul 20 23:34:03 2006.

And too much mouth!

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Brighton Private on Fri Jul 21 10:03:12 2006, in response to My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006.

Many people had advocated this abandoned line be used as the rail connection to JFK, but the residents along the line made it clear they will not tolerate resumption of rail service on the ROW.

Resumption of any kind of service on the Rockaway Branch is as dead politically as can be. It's a tragedy for the city, a waste of a vitally needed resource, but it's so. You can write to the MTA, but you won't be telling them anything they haven't heard before. It's not that they're necessarily unresponsive, but on this particular issue, there is really nothing more to say.



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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Kahlua on Fri Jul 21 10:18:22 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by L Train on Thu Jul 20 23:34:03 2006.

Im not totally against a multi-use trail, however how about a trail and a light rail line? Why would any (sane) property owner object to a neighborhood improvment??? I dont see how property values wouldnt increase as the ROW is an eyesore as is. http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=qsfn6b8vcmmk&style=o&lvl=1&scene=1995012

With a little track reconfiguration you could have a double track ROW (and still have your linear park) from Howard Beach or Aqueduct to somewhere in on Queens Blvd somewhere between 63rd Drive and 55th Ave.


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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 21 13:09:11 2006, in response to My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006.


It should have been used as the route for a direct link between Penn Station and JFK via the LIRR mainline.



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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 21 13:12:16 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by L Train on Thu Jul 20 23:34:03 2006.


I don't know whose worse, these NIMBYies or those who kept killing any thoughts of converting the Montauk LIRR line for subway service.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 13:56:38 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 21 13:12:16 2006.

Probably the latter. I don't know if the MTA still has plans to connect the Rockaways to QB.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 13:59:33 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Brighton Private on Fri Jul 21 10:03:12 2006.

IMO, the ppl should be given a choice to sell their houses at the current value/city buys the houses and then they rebuild the ROW then if the values of the houses went down then the ppl can buy it back at the lower rate or some other families move there if they can tolerate the noise.

If the value rises then the city could pay the difference.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 14:02:51 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 21 13:12:16 2006.

Property values would skyrocket if frequent subway service showed up there.

There is something MTA could do to minimize aesthetic and noise concerns. They could take a page from WMATA's playbook on the Blue Line extension, and put the trains in a shallow tunnel box which would be covered with some soil and planted with grass, shrubs etc. Less expensive than cut and cover tunnels, and still gets rid of the noise and "unsightly" (NIMBY concern) rail infrastructure.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jul 21 14:05:04 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 14:02:51 2006.

That wouldn't be too bad from White Pot Jct down to, say, Park Lane South - but from that point on you have a pretty viable embankment/elevated structure which could still be used. Now if only they'd used their heads for something other than hat racks when they designed the Air Train.....what a waste!

wayne

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 21 14:06:36 2006, in response to My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006.

Nice idea but NIMBY's would kill it.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 14:26:30 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jul 21 14:05:04 2006.

"but from that point on you have a pretty viable embankment/elevated structure which could still be used."

Functionally, that's true, but is it politically viable? Without appeasing the NIMBYs, you have nothing.

"Now if only they'd used their heads for something other than hat racks when they designed the Air Train.....what a waste! "

Justthe opposite. If MTA is as smart as the PA was in designing and building AirTrain and taking care of the politics, we could have 20 more miles of subway being built in Queens.





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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 14:32:56 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 14:26:30 2006.

But the AT was built over the Van Wyck highway. IE: no NIMBY's were upset. you can't claim it was a success.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R Pansepcc on Fri Jul 21 14:48:35 2006, in response to My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006.

It would never happen because of the NIMBY's as stated above, but they do need to do something. Woodhaven is getting way too congested with all of the new houses going up along side of it. I think it might be easier (less Nimby) to build some type of rail link on or under Woodhaven and link it between Queens Blvd & the Howard Beach station.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 14:52:05 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 14:32:56 2006.

Not quite.

1) The selection of the Van Wyck WAS part of how the PA handled the NIMBY issue. Other people on this board wanted to pick the Rockaway alignment instead. Their plan would be dead in the water as a result. Siting is important!

2) The PA threw in lots of goodies to handle local politicians - money for soundproofing schools, street beautification, a new aviation program at York College near AirTrain's terminal.

3) Pile driving and other construction activities did disturb some residents temporarily and caused some damage ($2-3,000 in some cases) to some houses. The PA took care of damage claims efficiently and limited the constructioon schedule to minimize disruption.

4) They also opened an office on Archer Av to allow the few NIMBYS there were (and other people) to vent, have coffee, talk, ask questions, look at a model of AirTrain etc.

5) The building of a coalition (including Jamaica businesses) and politicians from different areas helped present the picture that the community supported the project. The NIMBYS were isolated and lost their final support when Robert Boyle literally told American Airlines' chairman, who was fighting AirTrain in court and giving the NIMBYs money and T-shirts, "You f--- with me on AirTrain and you can forget about your new JFK terminal."

MTA could learn from the PA!



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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 21 14:54:02 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 14:52:05 2006.

And you could learn from almost everyone here! Instead you just act like an asshole and write books that are related to the ultimate gay sex.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 14:58:02 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R Pansepcc on Fri Jul 21 14:48:35 2006.

Actually I have always thought if they were to build another crosstown line thru Queens, Woodhaven would be the best place to build one and would be great to connect to the QB, J/Z, and A lines.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 15:38:23 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 14:58:02 2006.

Nice thinking on your part. Very logical.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Kahlua on Fri Jul 21 17:21:31 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 14:52:05 2006.

Bahhh.... I say offer to buy them out, if they leave fine, if they dont then ram it down there throats. Why should a few stop the needs of the many??? I now understand why it took sombody like RM to get things done around here. I know he was against public transport, and now thats hes gone weve done so much to improve it... The second ave subway, the queens super express, the E to Springfield..Wait... No. What have we built since he left? The Archer Extention and Air Train... wow... It really is a shame.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 21 17:29:52 2006, in response to My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006.

Do you honestly think there would be any type of substantial profitable ridership on that line? The abandoned part is only a very small part of the Rockaway Branch. The majority is still in use. It's called the A Train.
At one time there might have been some use for that line to the airport. But now with Airtrain there is no need for that.
As for as the costs to do it, it would probably cost a small fortune to just clear the ROW.
As far as its deteriorating condition and illegal dumping that is the city's fault and it should be cleared for a park or for housing, however the same nimbys who would fight a train would fight those things too. And as a homeowner I couldn't blame them.
Although it would never be done I think a better ROW for a transit or light rail line would be the old Vanderbilt Motor Parkway ROW in Queens. At least it's cleared, has overpasses, and best of all, it's East/West.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 17:29:53 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 15:38:23 2006.

It's a wide road and has connections to 3 major subway lines.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 21 17:59:31 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 21 17:29:52 2006.

Although it would never be done I think a better ROW for a transit or light rail line would be the old Vanderbilt Motor Parkway ROW in Queens. At least it's cleared, has overpasses, and best of all, it's East/West.

It's also only 18' wide, would mostly serve Cunningham and Alley Pond Parks (not too many commuters live there), and it doesn't connect to anything useful at the west end.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by mambomta on Fri Jul 21 18:12:46 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Kahlua on Fri Jul 21 17:21:31 2006.

I now understand why it took sombody like RM to get things done around here.

It was RM's actions that created the NIMBY's.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jul 21 18:16:50 2006, in response to My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006.

I agree with you.

IMHO the Rockaway ROW should be converted to at least subway operation. The line would be extended to LGA as a subway line under Junction Blvd. Restoring the ROW to LIRR use would be a big mistake as the LIRR doesn't have the for capacity past Rego Park.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 21 18:26:35 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 21 17:29:52 2006.

Although it would never be done I think a better ROW for a transit or light rail line would be the old Vanderbilt Motor Parkway ROW in Queens. At least it's cleared, has overpasses, and best of all, it's East/West.

What about the Bay Ridge Line? It runs parallel to the heaviest portion of the B6/B6 LTD and could serve as a valuable transfer between Brooklyn's subway lines. It would branch off at Livonia, and terminate at 62/New Utrecht (no point in being redundant to the L or N lines). It would be served by either rerouting half of the L trains or extending the V train.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Brighton Private on Fri Jul 21 19:09:58 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 13:59:33 2006.

It's not about money for most of them; it's quality of life. Plus having to buy up tons of property that are not even needed for the ROW -- just to quiet the political opposition -- would defeat much of the advantage of using the existing right of way.

The whole idea of using an existing ROW is to avoid condemnation and the expense of land acquisition.

Aint never gonna happen.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Transit Guy on Fri Jul 21 20:08:59 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 14:58:02 2006.

While on the topic of probable connections, I feel that there should be a connection between the A and E within Queens. Couldn't this be accomplished?

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 20:19:20 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Fri Jul 21 20:08:59 2006.

It certainly could. The Lefferts branch of the A could be extended into a tunnel and then join the E in the Archer Av tunnel. However, you would realy want each on its own track due to capacity issues.

It's nice idea.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Transit Guy on Fri Jul 21 20:23:59 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 21 17:29:52 2006.

Yes I know about the A train, I take it all the time, not to mention I pass by everyday. What I was thinking is maybe using that elevated structure and maybe it can go underground and go through and make some valuable connections.Personally, I say it still has a lot potential to be a transit line. The MTA just has to think outside of the box and do something with it. They should survey and create a full route or just a shuttle. I agree the cleanup would cost a lot being that they left it to pretty much crumble but the MTA should stop looking at Manhattan and start looking in Queens. This can benefit them if they think things right. (Also they can fine those people who parked/dumped a ton of school buses on the track and tryed to cover it up, that can pay a little of the tab) :)

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Transit Guy on Fri Jul 21 20:29:21 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 20:19:20 2006.

Obviously it can't be connected from Lefferts blvd being that buildings are in the way and you can't put a tunnel there. The only thing I can't figure out is where exactly to put it. The only place I can think of is by Rockaway blvd. (its a very open area)but then again I haven't really thought it through but I wish there would be a connection of the A and E within Queens.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Jul 21 21:17:44 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 21 09:25:49 2006.

I once wrote to the MTA complaining that one of two TVM's at my LIRR sttaion was inside a locked ticket office evenings and weekends. Within a week both TVM's were outside. It may have been a coincidence; perhaps they were planning it anyway; but I'm inclined to think that writing can't hurt. If you don't make the suggestion you can be sure nothing will come of it.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 21 21:21:36 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 21 18:26:35 2006.

While I usually play the devil's advocate when it comes to revitalizing abandoned lines this is an exception. I personally like that idea. The only problem is that it's not an abandoned line. The NY & Atlantic still uses it. However if it stays a LIRR line and not a subway it would still be FRA and the NY & Atlantic can still stay.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 21:39:51 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Fri Jul 21 20:29:21 2006.

What if you buried the Lefferts branch in a tunnel right after the wye?

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 21:40:40 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Jul 21 21:17:44 2006.

Bingo!

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 21 21:54:09 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 21 21:21:36 2006.

But much of it is four tracks or more in width, with only 1-2 active tracks at any given point. You could conceivably place two tracks there for rapid transit.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 21 22:23:23 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Brighton Private on Fri Jul 21 19:09:58 2006.

But it's an embankment/opencut/viaduct. There's no loud steel elevated structure, there's no daylight being taken from people's windows, and you would likely only hear the trains when it's really quiet (i.e. at night)

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 21 22:25:36 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Jul 21 21:17:44 2006.

They do listen sometimes. I managed to convince them to print the timetables publically for when the L train runs 24-30 minute single-track shuttle service certain weekends and middays.

But I don't think they'll listen to expansion suggestions.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 21 22:34:19 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 21 22:23:23 2006.


Here's my suggestion:

Continue the C beyond Euclid, then have it turn NORTH onto the Rockaway viaduct via a new flyover. Reopen Ozone Park and Woodhaven stations (including the LIRR Atlanic one). Don't run any night service ever. Some of them NIMBYs may come aroundand makea further extension possible.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 22:36:27 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 21 22:23:23 2006.

You are right. However, even that does not please them enough. Take the existing ROW and sink it into a very shallow runnel box and over it with grass and shrubs. WMATA did that on the Blue Line extension.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Kahlua on Fri Jul 21 23:17:14 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 22:36:27 2006.

Isn't it gonna be kinda expensive to tear up an embankment to put in an tunnel? Plus they'll still complain, it'll be vibrations that are cracking there foundations... You cant win...

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 21 23:45:39 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 21 22:25:36 2006.

Exactly.

I wasn't saying that they never listen. Only that in this instance (meaning expansion issues), you wouldn't be taken seriously.

Also, if you try suggesting a change to a bus route, Ron, do you think you actually get an honest evaluation? You just get nonsensical contradictory reasons why it cannot be done.

And I have written more letters to them than I care to count. So Ron, you are wrong again.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 23:49:05 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 21 22:25:36 2006.

"They do listen sometimes. I managed to convince them to print the timetables publically for when the L train runs 24-30 minute single-track shuttle service certain weekends and middays."

That's great. You accomplished something. You should be proud of that. Very cool.

"But I don't think they'll listen to expansion suggestions"

They listen. But in order to DO something, they will need 500 people to write in and say the same thing. You can collect signatures, then visit your assemblyman, then get a meeting with MTA.

I got SEPTA to agree to a meeting twice on a Regional Rail issue by doing that.




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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 23:50:40 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Kahlua on Fri Jul 21 23:17:14 2006.

Less expensive than cut and cover.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jul 22 00:14:44 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Kahlua on Fri Jul 21 17:21:31 2006.

"Bahhh.... I say offer to buy them out,"

Yes, you're on the right track there. It's not always sufficient, but it is necessary.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jul 22 00:15:26 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by mambomta on Fri Jul 21 18:12:46 2006.

LOL! You're right! What a great post.

Thank you.

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