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Re: OPTO implementation

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jul 26 12:14:35 2006, in response to Re: OPTO implementation, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jul 26 10:47:49 2006.

That is a totally false statement. TWU contracts run until superceded on their schedules, in this case from 2002 until present, not until it expired without a renewal. By your statement, if it is right for TA to not honor an expired agreement because the union went on strike, then why not throw management in jail and annuling the existing pre strike contract for not honoring the OPTO agreement where Adelman told TA they had to keep C/Rs on the long trains? In that case TA violated the PERB agreements to binding arbitration. What do you know about the Taylor LAw in Kansas, do you even have Taylors in Kansas?

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Re: OPTO implementation

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 26 12:21:46 2006, in response to Re: OPTO implementation, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jul 26 12:14:35 2006.

Er, actually Missouri, AFAIK.

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Re: OPTO implementation

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jul 26 12:29:10 2006, in response to Re: OPTO implementation, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 26 12:21:46 2006.

My condolences to the Cardinals

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Re: New topic?

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jul 26 12:43:14 2006, in response to Re: New topic?, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 12:32:33 2006.

You're also trying to be a commedian and you suck at it

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jul 26 12:55:54 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 24 13:26:43 2006.

Ah, so now you start believing people who spew out random BS? I see. So an informed mind like Lincoln is a childish foamer, but someone who says something like this, you immidiately believe. Unreal Ron.

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jul 26 12:57:15 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 24 14:26:14 2006.

IAWTP. I HIGHLY doubt that they were told to go ahead and extend their backyards.

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jul 26 12:58:56 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 24 20:36:10 2006.

As would I, but when my times up for using that land, then hey, I aint fightin. Last thing I would want is to be fined.

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jul 26 13:03:54 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 21:17:49 2006.

And using the current embankment is even cheaper

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 26 13:05:14 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jul 26 12:55:54 2006.

LOL. So true.

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY

Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 26 13:22:25 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 24 13:26:43 2006.

Dude..listen....when the LIRR ended service to Creedmore Hospital, they sold off the land to homeowners along the ROW that runs all the way under the Cross Island Pwky. This is not a lie since I did see this even published in NEWSDAY way back when. Look it up....

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Re: OPTO implementation

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jul 26 13:38:57 2006, in response to Re: OPTO implementation, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jul 26 08:53:00 2006.

Hey Ron do you have any idea how long it takes to train C/R's and T/O's?

Another Point what about the Tower Operators? You are gonna fire them too?

Signal Maintainers, shit-can them as well?

Track Workers, Clip them also?

Thrid Rail,Give em Pink Slips?

Infrastructure, give them thier last paychecks?

Power and Lighting fire em all?

Lets not forget about Surface Operations...

The are ALL in TWU local 100..

Ron RTO for the LAST time is not all about T/O's and C/R's you better start doing some more research there...

P.S it takes TIME to Properly TRAIN all of the Titles i just mentioned...

Not to mention you think its easy learning how to be a Signal Maintainer?

Or working with Third rails?

Or Power and Lighting?

Even a C/R and T/O training takes at least 4 to 5 months of Schoolcar and Posting, so-called "Easy Jobs"(Especially T/O) that Collage Graduates have trouble making it Past Schoolcar...

Use some common sense here Ron stop being so biased..



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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 26 14:53:53 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 25 19:27:32 2006.

Much like such uninformed rider actually thinking the 34th Street-7th Avenue station is actually in Pennsylvania.

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:18:44 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 26 13:22:25 2006.

That's all well and good for the Creedmore branch, but that's not what happened with the Rockaway Line. The Rockaway line was never even officially "abandoned", rather, in 1962 it was put into "disuse". Of course, for all intents and puposes, it of course is abandoned, however, none of the ROW was sold off like a railroad would usually do once they abandon a line.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:20:52 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Jul 26 00:05:01 2006.

People only go to the Nathan's in Coney Island as a tourist attraction because it's the famous original one. Why would it become a tourist attraction as a normal average fast food restaurant in Brighton Beach? There are Nathan's everywhere, and only the one in Coney Island is a tourist attraction.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 26 15:21:26 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 25 19:27:32 2006.

That area is known as Brooklyn Manor....I am sure they can put up other signs to inform the uninformed.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 26 20:32:00 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:28:51 2006.

I'd find this particular line very useful myself -- might be a light rail line from the Sheepshead Bay subway station (inside fare control) across the Bay and along the waterfront to the KCC campus.

If you want a glitzy trolley to attract tourists, put it somewhere the tourists might want to go. I'm looking for a form of transportation that will provide a good alternative to the unreliable and crush loaded buses to the campus.


I disagree with you on this one. While I'm all for light rail, exactly how do you intend to route it from the Station to the Bay? 12th Street Bridge? I'm assuming you intend to use part of the sidewalk area along Shore Blvd which I think is more suitable for a bike path instead of the stupid bike lane on Oriental Blvd no one wanted.

And with the "crush loaded" buses, there is hardly enough demand here to justify a light rail line. Theoretically, you can always run more buses and make them more reliable.

You say put a glitzy trolley where tourists might want to go. About ten years ago a trolley was proposed along Emmons Avenue connecting Coney Island and Sheepshead Bay. I think that makes more sense because it could serve commuters as well as tourists (assuming a redeveloped Coney Island which is in the works) if it is coupled with free or low cost parking either near Knapp Street or Floyd Bennett Field. The commuters would come from the Rockaways and utilize the Sheepshead Bay Station. The only downside is that for a portion of the route the light rail couldn't operate on an exclusive right of way.

But to Kingsborough? No way.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 27 11:59:23 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 14:09:04 2006.

Ambitious and interesting. Suprisingly, I like this idea.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 27 12:40:18 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 19:01:41 2006.

I've already learned all I need to learn for the sake of this argument involving the ROW. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for you.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 27 13:10:26 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 20:28:02 2006.

I can think of a few applications for it.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 13:16:01 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 27 13:10:26 2006.

Care to detail them?

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 27 14:30:06 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 13:16:01 2006.

Queens Blvd can afford to loose a lane in each direction.

Woodhaven Blvd, though with the Rockaway ROW so close, the Rockaway ROW would be a much better choice.

I'm sure there are a few places in the Bronx where they can squeeze in LRT. Possibly in Brooklyn as well, especially if/when they sink the Gowanus.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 27 14:47:26 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Jul 22 15:46:44 2006.

Since the area is already so conjested along the area South of the LIE, it would not make any sense to run an LRT down at grade level. Maybe if it were somehow elevated with concrete structures, then YES. But the de-activate part of the roadway, that would never fly for the affected communities. Light Rail do offer greater flexiblites that a heavy-rail application.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jul 27 15:24:28 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 26 15:21:26 2006.

Yeah, I can picture it now.

 
  Brooklyn Manor Jamaica Av  
(Not in Brooklyn)


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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 27 15:29:04 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 27 14:30:06 2006.

Queens Blvd can afford to loose (sic) a lane in each direction.

I disagree, although they can remove the parking on the left side of the service road and eat into the median, that might be fine.

Ironically I feel that Woodhaven Blvd could stand to lose a lane in each direction, though unnecessary with the Rockaway Line of course.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 15:37:24 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jul 27 15:24:28 2006.

That's cool! Mind if I steal it?

 
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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 15:42:28 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jul 27 15:24:28 2006.

 
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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 15:50:05 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 15:37:24 2006.

 
  Wow!!! That Is Cool!!!  






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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 15:51:07 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 25 19:27:32 2006.

I never realized that before...

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 15:51:12 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 26 15:21:26 2006.

Yeah, but even so, only the LIRR uses neighborhood names as stations. The subway usually only does that for the terminals.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 15:51:45 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 15:42:28 2006.

 
  Howard Beach - JFK Airport  
(If you're not a railbuff, you won't care that it costs $5 to get off the platform)


 
  Howard Beach - JFK Airport - $5 Rapeville  
Dr. Ron M. Aryel promises it won't hurt


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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jul 27 16:07:49 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 27 12:40:18 2006.

"I've already learned all I need to learn for the sake of this argument involving the ROW"

Closed-mindedness has its advantages...:0)

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Tunnel Rat on Thu Jul 27 16:32:20 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Thu Jul 27 15:42:28 2006.

Somebody read my mind!

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 27 17:11:29 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jul 27 15:24:28 2006.

I still don't see why there is an issue here. It worked fine for so many years when the LIRR just had the as "Brooklyn Manor" so why change it? We are not reviving to "subway standards" anyways. We are talking about either using LRT or bringing back the LIRR through there.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jul 27 17:30:32 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 27 14:30:06 2006.

Queens Blvd can afford to loose a lane in each direction.

Yes, but where does this LRV go? Just along Queens Blvd? Isn't there already subway in the area? Seems useless to me.

Woodhaven Blvd, though with the Rockaway ROW so close, the Rockaway ROW would be a much better choice.

Right, the Rockaway ROW would be a better choice for a Heavy Rail line that would be able to run directly into manhattan using existing tunnels.

I'm sure there are a few places in the Bronx where they can squeeze in LRT. Possibly in Brooklyn as well, especially if/when they sink the Gowanus.

We aren't talking about places where it will merely fit. We're talking about places where it makes sense to put it. None of these places you mentioned fit that description.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 27 17:46:24 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 27 14:30:06 2006.

Queens Blvd doesn't need light rail, as the subway is already there. What would make more sense would be the complete revamping of the Q60 bus route by adding short-turns at strategic locations for increased reliability.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 27 17:48:18 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 27 17:11:29 2006.

Because nobody from outside "Brooklyn Manor" knows that the differentiation even exists, and would assume it to be in Brooklyn. I myself never knew about Brooklyn Manor until I saw an empty QM23 express bus signed up for it.

Why make it more difficult than it needs to be? Leave it as Jamaica Avenue.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 27 17:50:09 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jul 27 15:24:28 2006.

 
  Can't think of what to say  
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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 17:53:23 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jul 27 17:11:29 2006.

Change what? There's nothing there, and hasn't been for over 40 years! There is no reason to use a station name that hasn't been there for 5 decades. Not to mention, that the LIRR as a commuter operation uses neighborhood/town names. Most rapid transit uses street names.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 18:21:29 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jul 27 15:24:28 2006.

BTW, since my background color in IE is grey, the "white line" on the sign ends up being grey. The only fix I see is to force a white background via the body tag.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 27 18:33:32 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 26 15:21:26 2006.

That area is known as Brooklyn Manor....I am sure they can put up other signs to inform the uninformed.

That area is known as Richmond Hill. 2 or 3 blocks east, it becomes Woodhaven.

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Correction Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 27 18:34:20 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 27 18:33:32 2006.

That area is known as Richmond Hill. 2 or 3 blocks east, it becomes Woodhaven.

I meant west.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 27 19:14:34 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jul 27 16:07:49 2006.

Closed-mindedness has its advantages

You would know.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jul 27 19:48:15 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 27 19:14:34 2006.

By watching you?

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 27 21:11:06 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 15:20:52 2006.

Besides, prices are staggeringly higher at the Coney Island Nathan's versus most other Nathan's restaurants.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 21:44:55 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Jul 27 21:11:06 2006.

Absolutely.

I guess because it's part fast food restaurant, and part "tourist attraction".

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 21:48:14 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 18:21:29 2006.

That's only because me (and obviously you) use grey as their IE default.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 21:49:28 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 27 18:33:32 2006.

Yeah, I think Brooklyn Manor is an old died out name. I have never heard of it aside from knowing about the former station there, and occasionally on outdated maps (many new and current maps have old information on them).

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Jul 27 21:56:26 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 15:51:12 2006.

Sheepshead Bay? Forest Hills? Jackson Heights? Marble Hill? Briarwood? Jamaica(-Van Wyck)? East New York (now retired)? Howard Beach?

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 22:00:42 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 27 21:48:14 2006.

And David.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Jul 27 22:05:14 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 27 22:00:42 2006.

David as in me? I don't use IE -- even if I wanted to, it doesn't exist for Linux.

But my Opera background is beige, at least for now. I change it once in a while.

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