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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Jul 24 18:15:09 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 24 16:27:01 2006.

Nogiating?

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Jul 24 18:16:17 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 24 16:27:01 2006.

Racism is too. "we don't want riff-raff coming into our neighborhood with these trains." It's ugly and I hate it.

Hey, wasn't it yourself who didn't want any "riff-raff" stores at the Fulton Transit Center? Talk about a double standard...

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 24 18:16:23 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 24 16:27:01 2006.

But that's not the only source of NIMBY problems for them. Racism is too. "we don't want riff-raff coming into our neighborhood with these trains." It's ugly and I hate it.

Do you even know the demographics along the Rockaway branch ROW?

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 24 18:40:51 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by WillD on Mon Jul 24 16:46:46 2006.

If you're going to fall back on the NIMBY line about racism as a reason that an LRT won't be built then nothing will be built.

Not to mention that Ozone Park and Woodhaven, etc near the Rockaway Line are not exactly your "lily white" neighborhoods either....

I could honestly give a shit what you think about it, it's a blade that cuts both ways, and if it kills an LRT project then it'll kill your supremely poorly thought out grade level subway between two berms plan.


Right, the grade level subway between two burms would see that just as much if that was some sort of real concern.

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by American Pig on Mon Jul 24 18:51:51 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 19:24:31 2006.

Useless without a page number or more specific URL.

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY

Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 24 19:18:58 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 24 14:48:55 2006.

And those claims wouldn't ripen into ownership because generally adverse possession isn't recognized against a railroad or any public entity. Unless there are deeds conveying the land in fee to the adjoining owners, the land still belongs to the railroad. Sounds like the adjoiners are just using the land because no one is telling them not to.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY/Rockway Beach Greenway

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 24 20:34:05 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY/Rockway Beach Greenway, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 24 14:13:27 2006.


Cheers for the students of Newcomers HS (site of the old LIC HS) on 41st Av and 28th St, LIC.
I hope they put up some photos soon. Thanks for the link.

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 24 20:36:10 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 24 19:18:58 2006.


They should enjoy it. I would.

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by American Pig on Mon Jul 24 20:37:25 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 22:33:47 2006.

If you feel that a certain level of education is necessary to participate in this thread, then how about posting YOUR credentials? Or is it that only other people have to be qualified and you're free to be as much of an asshole as you want?

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Re: New topic?

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 24 21:34:15 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 24 18:40:51 2006.

This whole discussion is moot anyway, of course, because the Rockaway ROW is going to become trail.

There must be something else we can discuss...now that we've beaten this to death.



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Re: Understanding people

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 24 22:08:43 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by American Pig on Mon Jul 24 20:37:25 2006.

"If you feel that a certain level of education is necessary to participate in this thread"

No credentials are needed to post here. Your message carries your credentials, and then you get replies. Your replies will depend on the quality of your posts.

For example: your childish post about there being no collateral damage when someone has an accident falling under a train.

You've posted some awesome posts here too - reflecting strong knowledge of history. Posts with details and very nice explanations of things past. I also agree with much of your political position, especially your views on science. Very cool and I enjoyed them a lot. But your posts demonstrate that you don't have any empathy for other people, nor do you understand or even try to understand their behavior or needs, or the consequences of actions on other people who might not be in the same room or train car.

That doesn't mean you should stop posting.

"you're free to be as much of an asshole as you want?"

If you want to callmme that, hey, cool. The sky's blue. Fine with me.






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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 25 09:24:17 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 24 01:03:54 2006.

Not only that, but they have some nice and rare wilderness in their backyards for their families and pets to play.

No, most of the ROW is higher than their backyards and fenced off. Sure, they can climb through holes in the fence and up the incline to play, if they don't mind the homeless camps, glass bottles, and abandoned cars.

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY

Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 25 09:30:12 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 24 20:36:10 2006.

Hey, free use of land without paying taxes on it? Hard to resist temptation there.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 25 10:38:54 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 24 12:05:56 2006.

Yes it does! How can you say that?

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Re: Logic vs. NIMBY

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jul 25 10:59:27 2006, in response to Re: Logic vs. NIMBY, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 18:08:05 2006.

The more I read into all these threads the more I get how all these civic associations seems to get their way about the ROW. This Row was built at a time when areas around Rego Park, and Woodhaven where not fully developed. The LIRR ran the line until 1962. So Until that point, people living around the ROW delt with the issues of listening to the "ole clicky-clack" sounds of the owl-faced MUs rumbling to and from. My point is, these folks need to look at the bigger picture for thing. Also, this is for public transportation needs. Maybe the government should flex its arm and use the eminate domain law that now seems to be sweeping across the country. There should be something similar to this for public agencies wanting to do something positive for the area at large.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by American Pig on Tue Jul 25 11:39:08 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Kahlua on Fri Jul 21 17:21:31 2006.

where throats?

Why should a few stop the needs of the many???

You sound like a communist.

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Re: New topic?

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 25 12:27:48 2006, in response to Re: New topic?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 24 21:34:15 2006.

Why do you insist on raising the white flag at the slightest sign of potential defeat?

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Re: New topic?

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 12:32:33 2006, in response to Re: New topic?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 25 12:27:48 2006.

Because I'm pretending to be Marshal Graziani in the Western Desert in the Middle East in 1940? :0)

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 12:50:04 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Nyctransitman on Sat Jul 22 15:07:01 2006.

Apparently, they want to make it a part of the LIRR. Most of the talk that has been going on here is talking about making it a subway line or something else.

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Re: Advocacy for Rockaway Line

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 13:14:21 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Nyctransitman on Sat Jul 22 15:07:01 2006.

I read that page. Most of the other links are discussions of projects with broad support, like ESA, which is already under construction, or the WTC work. The Rockaway page is 14 people with a crude hand-drawn map who were provided the opportunity to go work on a project that currently has zero political support from anyone with real influence and cannot be implemented until the LIRR 63rd st line is completed.

This is a free country and people can put up on the web what they like. It's commendable that the host organization has provided them with a pulpit in the church, even if the pews are mostly empty.

When they get political support, as in members of the State Assembly or Senate, and City Council, esp. in the area of the proposed route, who will stand up and advocate for it and ask that MTA add it to the Capital Plan, then I will pay closer attention to it.

Otherwise, it's just a dozen people in a room doodling on a map. But that's OK with me. Nothing wrong with that.

If anyone here would like to join them, I'm sure they would welcome your participation. By all means give them your input.



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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 25 13:22:02 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 12:50:04 2006.

The LIRR doesn't want it,nor should they.

This linw would most likely be a RAPID TRANSIT OPERATION..and the LIRR is far from that..even though they resemble a RAPID TRANSIT SERVICE.

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Goumba Tony on Tue Jul 25 13:46:23 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 24 18:16:23 2006.

Apparently he's living in the past, but you're wrong if you point that out.

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Re: Advocacy for Rockaway Line

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 13:48:13 2006, in response to Re: Advocacy for Rockaway Line, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 13:14:21 2006.

Unfortunately, to me it also seems like that.
Just the fact that they called the old LIRR Parkside station "Parkside" instead of "Metropolitan Ave", and Brooklyn Manor instead of "Jamaica Ave", etc shows that they are only trying to resurect what was once there.

There would be absolutely no reason to call the stations by the old LIRR names. 'Parkside" and "Brooklyn Manor" may have made sense in the old LIRR days, but make absolutely no sense today.

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 13:51:57 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Goumba Tony on Tue Jul 25 13:46:23 2006.

See this post and the responses to it:

http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=285788


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Re: NIMBY motivations

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 14:08:30 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 24 18:16:23 2006.

"Do you even know the demographics along the Rockaway branch ROW?"

Some middle class blacks living in Rosedale will tell you they don't want "trash" from the ghetto riding the subway to their neighborhood.

I think that's a terrible and ignorant thing to say, and I don't support it, but that's a reality Goumba Tony needs to consider (his post misses that).


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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 14:09:04 2006, in response to My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Transit Guy on Thu Jul 20 21:02:52 2006.

OK, here's my proposal, given that unlimited funds and no NIMBYs.

PHYSICAL
* The extension of the Rockaway Line northward will be SUBWAY, and will be two tracks north of the Liberty Avenue junction.
* The Liberty Avenue Junction will be reconfigured so that the line to the Liberty Avenue El would occupy the Express tracks. The southbound local track will fly over these two tracks as they curve towards the Rockaway Blvd station, and will be at grade with the northbound local track as the line crosses under the Liberty Avenue El.

* The line would continue north along the ROW, with stations at Ozone Park-101 Av, Brooklyn Manor-Jamaica Avenue, Woodhaven-Atlantic Avenue, and Parkside-Metropolitan Avenue

* As the line approaches White Pot Junction, the line widens to three tracks, and almost immediately the two outer tracks dive underground, to connect with the Queens Boulevard Line local tracks north of the 63rd Drive station.

* The third track will follow the LIRR right-of-way south of the four existing tracks, (hereafter referred to as the Queens Boulevard Super Express track) all the way to Queens Boulevard, curve west onto Queens Boulevard as an el, and diving under Queens Boulevard between 57th and 55th Streets. The line would continue under Queens Boulevard, passing under the Flushing Line elevated line, and later the Sunnyside Yards, splitting into two tracks under the Yard, and tying in with the 63rd Street line. Trains would operate at a maximum speed of seventy miles per hour between White Pot Junction and the 63rd Street line.

SERVICE
* The Rockaway Park Shuttle service would be eliminated.
* V train service would run local at all times, from 2nd Avenue/Houston Street to Rockaway Park/Beach 116 Street.
* Special services would run during the rush hour (and possibly midday, depending on demand). The line would run with alternating trips from either end of the Rockaways, up the Rockaway Line to the Queens Boulevard Super Express track, then down either the Broadway Line to Whitehall Street (<R>), or down the 6th Avenue Line to 2nd/Houston (<V>), or World Trade Center station (<H>).
* G service would be extended to 71/Continental at all times, due to the extra capacity released by rerouting the V to Rockaway Park. All of these services (possibly with the exception of the <R>) would run local in Manhattan.

EXTRA TRANSFERS
* The Woodhaven station, located on the Long Island Rail Road's Atlantic Avenue line, would be re-opened.

* A transfer passage would be constructed along the Jamaica Avenue El to connect the Brooklyn Manor station with the 104th Street station on the J.

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Re: NIMBY motivations

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 14:11:19 2006, in response to Re: NIMBY motivations, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 14:08:30 2006.

I mentioned Rosedale as an example of "same color NIMBY" attitudes. It's not enough to block subway extension (the E train's extension was due to budget and LIRR opposition mostly ) but you're going to find people along the Rockaway line doing that too.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 14:12:11 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 14:09:04 2006.

You're ambitious!

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 14:32:25 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 14:09:04 2006.

* A transfer passage would be constructed along the Jamaica Avenue El to connect the Brooklyn Manor station with the 104th Street station on the J.

What's so unfortunate is that when they abandoned the 102 Street Mezzanine at the 104th St station , they COMPLETELY removed it. That mezzanine would have been of great use if this ever panned out. It's the same thing they did at Junius St on the 3. They abandoned the Junius Street mezzanine (but at least it's not removed compeltely like it is at 104th St/Jamaica), because that would have been easy to connect to the L line at Livonia.

Anyway, back to the Rockaway line. it would make no sense to call that station "Brooklyn Manor" again, just because that is what the LIRR called it. It would make a lot more sense to call it "Jamaica Ave". The same with Parkside. That station would make more sense to call "Metropolitan Ave".

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Re: NIMBY motivations

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 14:34:52 2006, in response to Re: NIMBY motivations, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 14:08:30 2006.

Again, have you looked at the income level and demographics along parts of the Rockaway line in Ozone Park and Woodhaven near atlantic Ave. "Rosedale" it is not.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 25 14:48:27 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Nyctransitman on Sat Jul 22 15:07:01 2006.

Is that Norman Silverman from NYCTA?

I notice some other heavy-hitting names on the committee, from NARP, NYC Transit Riders Council, and some local politicians. Also, one definite non-foamer I used to work with.

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jul 25 15:51:53 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Jul 24 16:27:01 2006.

I doubt highly that "riff-raff" would be riding the train. To me, that's a poor excuse for NOT reviving the line. They might want to use this statement to legitamize theeir cause, but it's still a poor excuse, anyway you look at it. If the line is being used by the LIRR, then I doubt it. What riff-raff would pay more than the price of riding the subway? Besides...there would have to be a reason for some one to WANT to go to those old neighborhoods.

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Re: NIMBY motivations

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jul 25 15:53:55 2006, in response to Re: NIMBY motivations, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 14:11:19 2006.

Doesnt any "Riff-Raff" get off at the Rosedale LIRR train station? what would bring anyone into Rosedale anyways?

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 25 16:02:57 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 25 14:48:27 2006.

It is another Norman Silverman.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 25 16:05:28 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 25 16:02:57 2006.

The NYCTA Norman Silverman is now with MTA Bus.

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Re: NIMBY motivations

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 16:12:52 2006, in response to Re: NIMBY motivations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 14:34:52 2006.

The Rockaway corridor is not homogeneous, so Rosedale is a good analogy to some of it (not all of it).

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 17:50:09 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 14:32:25 2006.

Anyway, back to the Rockaway line. it would make no sense to call that station "Brooklyn Manor" again, just because that is what the LIRR called it. It would make a lot more sense to call it "Jamaica Ave."

The MTA has not completely removed Brooklyn Manor from its geographical lexicon, as evidenced by what appears on the QM23 schedule (PDF, 83.4K), and destination sign readings.



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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Goumba Tony on Tue Jul 25 17:55:29 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 13:51:57 2006.

False statement. :)

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Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:02:34 2006, in response to Re: Ron's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jul 25 15:51:53 2006.

That was an excuse during the 70's and 80's when it was probably true that "riff raff" would be brought to "better" neighborhoods.
With all that has improved and gone on in the city during the 90's and especially the 2000's, that is sort of an outdated NIMBY phenomena excuse.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 18:02:35 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 14:09:04 2006.

Of course, since the QBSX is set up as a single track over a distance of at least 4.5 miles, trains would have to operate in the peak direction only.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by American Pig on Tue Jul 25 18:04:26 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jul 23 08:45:05 2006.

These are lines that are active NOW.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 18:04:32 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 25 18:02:35 2006.

And it would probably have to have "dead train" sidings, too.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by American Pig on Tue Jul 25 18:12:28 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jul 22 19:38:08 2006.

You're an idiot. These maps are readily available online. Unlike you, who never checks his facts, NIMBYkiller might actually have done so.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by American Pig on Tue Jul 25 18:16:21 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by WillD on Sat Jul 22 21:16:54 2006.

You can click on the lot to find out who owns it.

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Re: NIMBY motivations

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 18:16:44 2006, in response to Re: NIMBY motivations, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jul 25 14:11:19 2006.

But their's no neighborhood like Rosedale along the old Rockaway branch.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by American Pig on Tue Jul 25 18:31:43 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jul 22 19:54:34 2006.

The sheer hypocrisy. You're obviously not going to examine the ROW in person, so why should he?

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 25 18:32:03 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jul 22 18:01:04 2006.

But in the real world, a park and bike trail are far better than leaving the ROW neglected the way it is now.

Private property isn't too close for a park and bike trail? I'd rather have trains running through my back yard than bored teenagers hanging out at night.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 25 18:34:09 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jul 22 18:16:09 2006.

You missed the places where private property comes fifty feet or closer to the ROW.

No rail vehicle needs 50' of lateral clearance. Those are simply constraints to station locations.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 25 18:37:32 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by WillD on Sat Jul 22 21:16:54 2006.

At Union Turnpike what looks like a former factory and a semi-circular tower have both used the ROW for their parking lots.

I believe that factory was torn down about two years ago and is now a shopping center.

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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch

Posted by Fred G on Tue Jul 25 18:42:49 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jul 22 19:38:08 2006.

No, the adjoining property lines do not extend into the ROW, unless parts of the ROW have been deeded out, which to the best of my knowledge hasn't happened. I too have viewed the satellite photos and don't see the 'narrow points' you speak of. That ROW is ancient and were those narrow points to exist, the lines of occupation would reflect them; not so. Lastly, the ROW is senior to the adjoining properties and enjoys its deeded width, unencumbered by other claims to the contrary. It is what it is.

your pal,
Fred

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