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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 04:16:06 2008, in response to Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by WillD on Mon May 5 04:04:13 2008. If the regional connector gets built, it would make more sense to have a Pasadena/Long Beach line (combined Gold/Blue) and an East LA/Santa Monica line (combined East LA Gold/Expo.) That way, everyone gets access to Union Station. |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 04:21:12 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 04:16:06 2008. Of course, this would only work if they somehow managed to connect the regional connector to both ends of Union Station somehow. |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 5 04:56:56 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 04:16:06 2008. I'm afraid that appears to be impossible. As far as I can tell from the Regional Connector alternatives every alternative revolves around a junction around Little Tokyo station south of LAUPT on the East LA extension. I would say its a safe bet that only one alternative will be constructed, and that both the Blue and Expo lines will use it to reach Union Station from 7th and Flower. If the Regional Connector is built with one of the alternatives above then Union Station will undoubtedly be on the same branch as whatever line goes to Pasadena. The only swing station as it were is the Little Tokyo station, which either ends up on the East LA or Pasadena lines, depending on which alternative you choose. For alternatives 1, 4, and 5 Little Tokyo would be on the Pasadena route, while 2, 3, and 7 place it on the East LA route. Alternatives 6 and 8 create what looks like a subway junction just south of the current site of the Little Tokyo station, eliminating the station in favor of a portal and creating a new station two to three blocks southwest. These two alternatives are clearly drawn up with the possibility of through-running, but the other alternatives likely would not rule it out so long as the track layout allowed for the proper turns to be made.Unfortunately under any of the alternatives a through running arrangement requires any route not serving Pasadena to avoid Union Station. I'd definitely prefer alternatives 6 and 8 because the possibility would exist for a flying junction between the Pasadena and East LA routes. The Little Tokyo replacement station would form a nice turnback point, allowing access to Union Station and points north from the East LA line with minimal backtracking. If one of the surface alternatives were selected then Little Tokyo station could always be rebuilt or relocated to provide either a convenient turnback station or a transfer. It's possible the junction could be a little like a smaller Rose Quarter, with platforms on both the East LA and Pasadena routes in close proximity to each other. |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by WillD on Mon May 5 05:01:15 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 04:21:12 2008. Oh ok, that changes things then. :pI'm not sure that providing East LA route customers with a one-seat ride to Union Station really justifies the cost you'd incur building two different alignments. With every alternative but 6 and 8 you could run a train from East LA to Pasadena to provide that missing connection if you so desired. Even then 6 and 8 don't appear to specifically rule that out, I was just reading them as single handed junctions. |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 5 10:15:02 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by WillD on Mon May 5 05:01:15 2008. I don't see why all of the lines would need to go to Union Station. I think that most riders heading East or West would prefer not to have to go to Union Station.A transit advocate is reporting that the two finalists are alternatives 5 (all subway) and 3A (half street running).  
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Re: Expo construction pics |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon May 5 10:59:55 2008, in response to Re: Expo construction pics, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 5 00:20:14 2008. Puce.Now name the book. |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 5 11:45:41 2008, in response to LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 27 14:21:47 2008. Cool! Keep them coming. Only about 8 months till I am there again! |
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Re: Expo construction pics |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 5 11:48:28 2008, in response to Expo construction pics, posted by Easy on Sun May 4 22:34:23 2008. Cool! What's the old tracks visable in the first photo? |
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Re: Expo construction pics |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 5 11:49:10 2008, in response to Re: Expo construction pics, posted by Easy on Sun May 4 22:46:04 2008. Where is it connecting to the existing Metro system? |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon May 5 11:52:36 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 27 18:26:08 2008. Stop lying! The first time anyone makes you upset in here you wish homelessness on them.You phony! |
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Re: Expo construction pics |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 5 12:18:54 2008, in response to Re: Expo construction pics, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 5 11:49:10 2008. To the blue line tracks at Washington and Flower. With the blue line having 5 minute rush hour headways and Expo likely having the same turning the trains at 7th/metro will be interesting. It can definitely be done, but any delays on either line and it will all go to sh!t. |
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Re: Downtown LA Alignment (Gold Line to Santa Monica?) |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Mon May 5 12:33:43 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by Easy on Mon May 5 10:15:02 2008. Both these alternatives are intriguing. The things I like about the all-tunnel route (Alternative 5) are:1)it would enable faster running times through downtown than a street-level track. 2) if the junction is constructed properly, both the Eastside and Pasadena lines would be able to run through to Long Beach or the Expo line On the other hand, the partial street-level alignment(Alternative 3A) has some interesting features. I like the separation of inbound and outbound service on Main and Los Angeles Streets. Also - and this is pure fantasy - it would be far less expensive to link future light rail lines to a street-level system. I am thinking in particular of a possible reconfiguration of the old Burbank-Glendale-Echo Park-Downtown line, which would really benefit these communities. The present local bus service into downtown from Burbank is dreadful, and LRT would would be an incentive for higher-density development in these close-in suburbs. It is already happening, in fact. Since the Subway tunnel is defunct, a future streetcar line down Glendale Blvd. could turn on Temple Street and head right into the downtown connector at Main Street. (I would, however, realign the Glendale portion along Central Avenue, because Brand Blvd is now too congested to handle light-rail traffic - the old private ROW in the middle of the street is now a heavily landscaped traffic island.) |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Mon May 5 12:44:47 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon May 5 11:52:36 2008. TRUTH!!!Reagan shuttered California's state hospitals in the 70s and dumped thousands of mental patients on the streets, with no funding for community resources and no strategy to provide care. An early example of the "compassionate conservatism" we have come to know so well. This is not to say there were no homeless people in Los Angeles or the Bay area before that - but this dumping of the mentally ill created a nightmare that is still going on. 30+ years later we have still not found a solution. Incarcerating those unfortunate people in state hospitals, sometimes for life, was certainly not right. But turning them onto the streets and failing to provide the proper community services was - and is - far worse. (Take this to Off Topic Chat for further discussion) |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon May 5 12:57:57 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Mon May 5 12:44:47 2008. I don't give a crap about the political BS.What bothers me is Salaams wishing anyone who doesn't agree with him to BE homeless. How staying On Topic with that. |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 5 13:16:48 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon May 5 12:57:57 2008. you may not like the politics BUT, transit becoming the homeless shelter of last resort has had a very negative effect. the retreat of "choice" riders and consequent diminution of funding is real. |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon May 5 13:44:12 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon May 5 13:16:48 2008. Again, I was NOT discussing anything about the homeless situation EXCEPT that if Sallaam feels so strong about the subject he SHOULD NOT WISH IT upon ANYBODY! |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 14:07:35 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by WillD on Mon May 5 05:01:15 2008. My original rationale behind including Union Station was that it's an important transit hub, with both subway lines as well as a number of bus lines stopping at the station.On the other hand, the regional connector will connect to the subway at Civic Center. And most of the bus lines stopping at Union Station continue through downtown as well. So it's not needed as much as I thought... |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 5 14:33:28 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 14:07:35 2008. The subway can get crowded with Metrolink riders at 5:00 pm. Given that the Regional Connector will provide better access to the jobs on Bunker Hill some of the trains will need to go to Union Station. Even if only half of them do that's still probably 12 TPH at rush hour and half that the rest of the day. But if you look at freeway patterns the predominant commute direction is east to west away from downtown in the morning and to downtown in the evening. Most of the jobs are on the west side. I think that the large majority of East LA commuters will want access to downtown and West LA. Pasadena and Union Station not so much. |
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Re: (LA Metro) Expo delays, FixExpo.org, and environmental racism |
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Posted by LA Scott on Mon May 5 14:36:52 2008, in response to (LA Metro) Expo delays, FixExpo.org, and environmental racism, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 30 21:38:19 2008. The Orange Line busway was built through a number of white and latino neighborhoods without a single grade separation, and it probably has many more vehicle movements per day than the Expo Line will have. |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon May 5 15:22:19 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 04:21:12 2008. how about that !!!we were complaining about this since the 1990s |
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Re: (LA Metro) Expo delays, FixExpo.org, and environmental racism |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 5 16:25:21 2008, in response to Re: (LA Metro) Expo delays, FixExpo.org, and environmental racism, posted by LA Scott on Mon May 5 14:36:52 2008. Well that's a bus. And at least part of the reason that it's a bus is that at the time the valley opposed rail. And I don't recall there being any Orange line intersections without traffic lights. Plus there have been numerous accidents. So much so that some bus drivers almost come to a complete stop even when they have a green light.But anyway my main concern is I don't want the Expo line to end up being slow. Without grade separation we're going to end up with another Marmion Way situation where the trains are running 10-15 mph. The same goes for the gold line extension just east of downtown. No one over there has complained. Funny that LAUSD favors taking another look at the Farmdale crossing, but AFAIK hasn't mentioned the schools next to the gold line. |
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Re: (LA Metro) Expo delays, FixExpo.org, and environmental racism |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon May 5 16:56:21 2008, in response to Re: (LA Metro) Expo delays, FixExpo.org, and environmental racism, posted by Easy on Mon May 5 00:25:28 2008. And before that by the Pacific Electric for their "Santa Monica Air Line" 1 pax round trip a day (franchise run), but a very heavy freight corridor. (Juice Jacks, W00t!) |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by the port of authority on Mon May 5 19:35:19 2008, in response to LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 27 14:21:47 2008. Breda cars 706 and 708 are in regular weekday gold line service. They just departed highland park northbound and I happened to stumble upon them (not literally of course... ) |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon May 5 19:56:31 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by the port of authority on Mon May 5 19:35:19 2008. ok only 2but on the gold line only and only on weekday service only eh ? i was told the gold line will be all breda one day and the 2000s will go to the blue line so saez the lacmta contacts to me zzzzzzzzzz ???? |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 5 22:31:55 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by the port of authority on Mon May 5 19:35:19 2008. Cool. I'm going to try and get out there one day this week after work and ride them myself. If you had to guess based on the times that you've seen them what would you guess would be a good time period to get out there? |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 5 22:40:28 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon May 5 19:56:31 2008. Metro was supposed to buy an additional 50 P2550's as an option to the original 50 car base order. 16 of those were to be for Expo (which already gets cars from the original order) and 34 of the cars were headed to the blue line. Someone mentioned on The Transit Coalition message board that this never happened and that Metro let the 50 car option order lapse. If so, the blue line will be stuck with the P865's for a while. And a few P2000's as well. I don't know that the gold line will be able to get rid of all of them. Will 50 cars be enough for Expo Phase 1, Phase 2, the Gold line, and the gold line extension? I don't see how. Expo by itself will likely need that many. |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon May 5 23:06:04 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Easy on Mon May 5 22:40:28 2008. i will just say this with that ''Transit Coalition message board''being the least informed .............ahem !! i see just how ''screwy'' the LACMMTA actually is so now as we see it they are forced to operate with the clunkers they have in their hand now !! the pa865s are good performers again it was the original plan to put all of those bredas on the gold the drama is the lacmta |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon May 5 23:07:23 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Easy on Mon May 5 22:40:28 2008. i will just say this with that ''Transit Coalition message board''being the least informed .............ahem !! i see just how ''screwy'' the LACMTA actually is so now as we see it they are forced to operate with the clunkers they have in their hand now !! the pa865s are good performers again it was the original plan to put all of those bredas on the gold the drama is the lacmta |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon May 5 23:08:36 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Easy on Mon May 5 22:31:55 2008. mid day i would targetmy guess |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 23:10:05 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Easy on Mon May 5 22:31:55 2008. Try the mid- to late afternoon. That's when I've seen them. |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 5 23:12:11 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon May 5 23:08:36 2008. Well that's going to be difficult... |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 5 23:13:26 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 23:10:05 2008. That's going to be tough for me since I work in the OC. I probably couldn't make it until rush hour or maybe a little later. I may try anyway. |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 23:15:53 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Easy on Mon May 5 23:13:26 2008. They should be out during rush hour. That's when I saw them last Friday. |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Easy on Mon May 5 23:19:37 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon May 5 23:15:53 2008. Cool. I've got some work to do tomorrow, but if I can get to work early enough I'm going to make a run up either Wednesday or Thursday. |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 6 00:34:42 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Easy on Mon May 5 23:12:11 2008. i saw her in the morning hours |
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Re: LACMTA news and LA area events |
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Posted by Easy on Tue May 6 00:40:12 2008, in response to Re: LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 6 00:34:42 2008. I'd have to take a day off to it then. I'll try for the evening rush. |
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National Train Day (Re: LACMTA news and LA area events) |
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Posted by Easy on Tue May 6 01:36:31 2008, in response to LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 27 14:21:47 2008.
Sounds a little lame, but what the hell, I'll go check it out. My kids like Drake Bell's TV show. I dunno if they like his singing. I doubt it. |
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Red line zoetrope ad (Re: LACMTA news and LA area events) |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 7 00:50:43 2008, in response to LACMTA news and LA area events, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 27 14:21:47 2008. According to LA Curbed there's a new zoetrope ad for Speed Racer between Hollywood/Highland and Universal City. Anyone here seen it yet? I'll try and check it out this weekend. |
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Re: Red line zoetrope ad (Re: LACMTA news and LA area events) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 01:42:02 2008, in response to Red line zoetrope ad (Re: LACMTA news and LA area events), posted by Easy on Wed May 7 00:50:43 2008. not yetlol |
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Re: Red line zoetrope ad (Re: LACMTA news and LA area events) |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 7 02:11:47 2008, in response to Re: Red line zoetrope ad (Re: LACMTA news and LA area events), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 7 01:42:02 2008. Well get out there! :) |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by Eric B on Wed May 7 09:49:26 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by Easy on Mon May 5 10:15:02 2008. Those alternatives are right by where the line passes over the old PE Subway. I still wonder with all of this why no one ever thinks of using that, or at least part of it. (If it was severed between Flower and the freeway, then since the line runs down Flower, it could connect to the tunnel to the east to the old terminal, in the basement of a building converted to condos (the space is probably not used by the new development).Now, this site: (Electric Railway Historical Association of Southern California) does not even mention the any building foundations being built in the space of the tunnel, but instead says that it was simply it was filled in, due, to a claim by the city that it was "unsafe" due to "incompatibility" with the Bunker Hill redevelopment project because "the tunnel lacked reinforcing steel, hence nothing could be built above it". (While, "As a matter of fact, the Harbor Freeway, a defence system highway, was constructed directly over the tunnel in 1947, after U.S. Army and state engineers had determined that the subway was so strong that no bridge structures or caissons would be required". This would seem to suggest that the construction was actually above the tunnel, and there should be no impediment to removing the fill-in. (Perhaps reinforce it to satisfy the city's concerns). |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 7 22:56:05 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by Eric B on Wed May 7 09:49:26 2008. I think that most of the tunnels were closed off already. IINM a big part was closed when they built the California Plaza Towers.The Subway Terminal Building was going to have a PE Car as an attraction but something happened to prevent it. I took a picture a couple of years ago of the car that they were going to restore. I think that there was something wrong with the tunnel. Some sort of oil or something. I think that it was a natural deposit and they had to seal up parts of the tunnel. |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by Eric B on Fri May 9 18:04:51 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by Easy on Wed May 7 22:56:05 2008. What's the "California Plaza"? I had always heard it was the Bonaventure Hotel construction. (Or is that itself the "California Plaza towers). Still, this article implies the construction was above the tunnel, and that they were afraid it couldn't hold the weight. It also points out that this is disproven by the fact that the freeway was built over it.Now this thing about oil I had never heard of, and the historical association site doesn't mention it. Still, that sounds like something that could be easily drained off. (I also never heard of them planning to have a PE car at the terminal. That at least would have been nice). |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 9 19:28:04 2008, in response to Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by WillD on Mon May 5 04:04:13 2008. WillDwhy cant we run the blue line up [ alameda street ] instead ?? then connect to a line on or near union station / gold line ?? makes mmore sense than this ''transit coalition'' nonsense at ''plillipppes'' nincompoopp |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 9 19:29:57 2008, in response to Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by WillD on Mon May 5 04:04:13 2008. follow upthis should have been donw when the lacmta blue line was 1st built in the 1st ''F-ing' place omg !!! |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 9 19:30:06 2008, in response to Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by WillD on Mon May 5 04:04:13 2008. follow upthis should have been done when the lacmta blue line was 1st built in the 1st ''F-ing' place omg !!! |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 9 21:50:07 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by Eric B on Fri May 9 18:04:51 2008. Cal Plaza are 2 50+ story buildings across the street from the Subway Terminal Building. But maybe I heard wrong about that. Here's the wiki article. But I haven't heard of anyone planning to use the old tunnels. Hopefully they can one day be used for something even if it's for pedestrians or bicyclists. |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 9 21:52:03 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 9 19:29:57 2008. The one improvement depending on your preference is that the old route was to run on the street. This one will most likely be underground. |
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Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics) |
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Posted by Eric B on Fri May 9 22:12:57 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by Easy on Fri May 9 21:50:07 2008. It copies the info from the Westwood site, which reads:The only physical alteration to the site came about in 1967, when a portion of the tunnel between Flower and Figueroa Streets in downtown was filled in to accommodate the foundation of the Bonaventure Hotel. That's the source of the belief that the tunnel is permanently unblockable. However, it says "to accomodate". Not even "to make way for" or anything like that. This would actually hbe compatible with the other account, that it was only filled in because of a feared weight limitation for the contruction being above it. It's like this info glosses over the full details of exactly why it was filled in, yet you can still read it between the lines. So I don't know why absolutely NOBODY is thinking of using this tunnel for all the rail expansions (not even the fanciful "future" ones like in the other thread), or nostalgia lines, like the section in San Pedro. Perhaps they too misread the Westwood info and think its space is built in. Even if it was, they could still use the two halves for something! I tried to contact the erha, but their e-mail address is expired or something. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 9 22:24:59 2008, in response to Re: Gold Line to Santa Monica? (was:Re: Expo construction pics), posted by Easy on Fri May 9 21:52:03 2008. i was trying to save some money since they say the tunnel is toocostly |
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