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Posted by South Ferry on Tue May 16 22:48:59 2006, in response to TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 16 22:25:10 2006. The 1 that interests me is:This Summer the Transit Museum's vintage cars will be rolling again for nostalgic train rides to the Rockaways (Saturday, June 17) and Coney Island (Saturday, July 22 and Sunday, August 20.) Special programs sure to please riders of all ages and interests will also be offered. For additional information, and to make a reservation please call: 718.694.1867 /////////// WONDER if they're cooking up anything relevant 4 those of us with the "photograph the train in a runby" interest. That's an "interest" after all.... Or if it's the classic "get on and ride to the end, wait three hours and ride str8 back" The "sure to please riders of all ages and INTERESTS" part gets me hoping.... |
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Posted by South Ferry on Tue May 16 22:52:26 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by South Ferry on Tue May 16 22:48:59 2006. Heh. B-Division Destinations... (there's still hope for the SMEE R12-15-17-33S consist) |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Tue May 16 22:58:33 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by South Ferry on Tue May 16 22:48:59 2006. Doubt it. Probably some cheesy family-oriented $#!+. "All ages" is never a good sign. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue May 16 23:21:56 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Tue May 16 22:58:33 2006. Maybe all the MODers should fill the trip, scare away all the family folks, and then protest for a return of the MOD trips. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 03:48:58 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by WillD on Tue May 16 23:21:56 2006. Maybe all the MODers should fill the trip, scare away all the family folks, and then protest for a return of the MOD trips.Maybe by now the pathological foamers have realized that their obsession has taken a turn away from them, that they may be partially to blame for it, and that they have found other, hopefully more productive and mainstream ways with which to occupy their time. Maybe by now it could be realized that part of the fun is exploring the destination or the possibilities at any given station and tying it in with the ride rather than engaging in an eight-or-more-hour idiot's delight of being spun around the system without any aim other than the train itself. You've been on a train for an hour; you've been on it for eight hours. The mind can't possibly handle any more than an hour's worth of such a stimulus without it fading into a blur. Maybe the "hobby" rather than the obsession will be showcased to other generations, and maybe even multiple generations and socioeconomic, racial, and political strata at the same time and serve to mainstream and sanitize what has become a smarmy subculture sometimes rightfully ostracized by the mainstream. Maybe the photographers who lament not being able to photograph only the train can photograph some scenes including the train, such as a candid shot of a father and son at the railfan window, a group of women of non-railfan interest sitting in the car enjoying the nice sunny summer ride, tourists from Wherever who thought the idea is novel, and chronicle THAT instead of the umpteenth photo of the front of 100 or 1575 without any reference to where it is or what time period in which it's being run. Maybe I am expecting too much. |
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Posted by TonyD on Wed May 17 06:39:39 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 03:48:58 2006. Not everyone who enjoys all day fan trips is a 'pathological foamer'. Their behavior is theirs and mine is mine. I don't think it's my job to explain railfanning to the general public. I take pictures for myself and I'll leave the family pictures to someone else. I'm a seventies boy and I do miss the old cars. The new cars just don't have it, and speaking just for me personally, a quick overpriced trip to Coney Island is not enough. I could go to Coney Island or the Rockaways for all of two dollars. With all due respect the Transit Museum trips are nice for what they do, but for many the trips are only long enough to whet your appetite and leave you wanting for something more. And that's where the fan trips come in. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed May 17 06:54:59 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 03:48:58 2006. >>>>>"Maybe I am expecting too much".<<<<Sadly, you are. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 07:09:26 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 03:48:58 2006. A tip of Unca Selkirk's hat to ya for your accuracy and candor ... for me it's a bit different, I was used to spending 8 or more hours on trains every day, doing the same runs at the same times every day between the same two terminals over and over again.And as much as I would have loved doing a couple of those MOD trips, what I saw on videotape was more than enough to convince me in the wisdom of avoiding them. In my own unique way, I much preferred the whole "subway experience" from a "trainman's" point of view and interest and from the behaviors captured on magnetic oxide as well as the photos of people violating the rules and common sense, I would never have had a chance to be able to take things in the way I would have preferred to - chatting up the crew, spending some time in quiet reflection in the cabs, fondling tools again, and maybe have another peek undercar or watching cuts and adds again up close. I guess we all have our various pecadillos, but the biggest problems I saw was a general lack of respect for the equipment, the people who gave so very much of themselves to make it all happen, and who in the end got skewered and spit upon for all they did. "Back in the day," we were called BUFFS. Some of us even got called "employees" ... but sadly, so much of it from what I saw are indeed "foamers" and some of the "shutterbugs" exhibited far and away the worst behavior of all. :( Damned shame it is ... but I FULLY understand why the MOD things ain't gonna happen again. DAMNED shame. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:09:50 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SilverFox on Wed May 17 03:48:58 2006. a group of women of non-railfan interest sitting in the car enjoying the nice sunny summer rideHOT? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:14:20 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 07:09:26 2006. You couldn't be more wrong. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 07:18:08 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:14:20 2006. Heh. Wanna see some video of people whizzing on the floor, crossing tracks, and photogs cursing at children? Maybe you were too close to it all to appreciate what the crews went through, and I doubt you were around when management decided to "audit" the activities. I suspect I know a wee bit more than the "fans" might here.Those trips screwed up the railroad big time, there were jurisdictional issues about "Crew assignments" where people from the "wrong division" were operating equipment in "another division" and a whole raft of hurt that came out of all of that. I've spoken to people and I've seen some of the recordings both by the "fans on board" as well as "supervision." :( |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:22:54 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 07:18:08 2006. Heh. Wanna see some video of people whizzing on the floor, crossing tracks, and photogs cursing at children?Sure. Email them to me - subtalk at railfanwindow dot com. Those trips screwed up the railroad big time Probably a few times, but I doubt it was the norm. there were jurisdictional issues about "Crew assignments" where people from the "wrong division" were operating equipment in "another division" and a whole raft of hurt that came out of all of that. Oh boo hoo hoo. This is special. Either ignore the whiners or figure out how to make everyone "happy", without shafting the fans. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 07:32:27 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:22:54 2006. I'll have to find time to digitize them. What I have is on ferric oxide and I don't have copies of some of the more egregious violations, only got to see them when someone came to visit up here who works for Matt Sansverie's office (MTA Inspector General) and showed me a copy of what the "beakies" took.I'm sure others who see this and are with the circus will chide in and confirm my words for ya, but the "boo hoo hoo" is NOT how things work. Any claims that the MTA is "one big happy star fleet" ... well ... there's a lot of wigs and wiglets with axes to grind as well as disgruntled people at all levels. The MOD trips were the cause of a great deal of pain for all of the kind people who went out of their way to make it happen. And sadly, most of them got disciplined as their reward. :( Be GRATEFUL that the museum is going to be permitted to turn wheel at ALL. I imagine THAT was like pulling teeth for those involved as well. And I'm sure all of the "auditing" is still ongoing with an eye to charge back to the museum all those hours, that paint and the electricity to run those trains. Don't underestimate the viciousness of political subdivisions/state agencies. Anyone WITH the show can tell you just how loony it gets. All I can suggest is to appreciate what you HAD, and to quote that old song, "don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone." MAYBE once Paturkey's gone and the MTA gets a new board, there might be hope in a future year perhaps ... but the MOD trips didn't work out as planned. I'll leave it there and let others chide in if they wanna back me up here ... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:37:33 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 07:32:27 2006. Think of the babies. Obviously the "wigs and wiglets with axes to grind as well as disgruntled people at all levels" aren't. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed May 17 07:41:35 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:37:33 2006. March of Dimes collections can and are taken all the time. No need to send out trains to collect money. The organization will do just fine with out them. The March of Dimes isn't going to vanish just 'cause a couple of trains aren't running. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 07:50:41 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 07:37:33 2006. If you look at it pragmatically, mindful of the major differences between politics (MTA) and "private sector where good PR means more sales," it might make some sense. Remember that in the end, the MTA and everything it does reflects upon pussy politicians averse to "bad press." THIS is the prime directive with a state agency - do NOT get a reporter in the governor's face with a question they ain't ready for. All behaviors then within a political subdivision/government agency flows from THIS concept. :(The MOD trips did NOT garner "political capital" for Paturkey. Half the MTA board didn't even know they were ongoing beyond "we're doing some 100th anniversary stuff somewhere." And the lack of politically-controlled "photo op" as a result of the good intents and good nature of the participants who are "employees" resulted in the hornet's nest of political appointees descending on them with questions such as "where did you get the paint and who paid for it?" and "You used OUR cranes and OUR lifts and OUR maintenance bay and parked it WHERE?" Do you know that people got in trouble for taking the receipts, putting it in an envelope to be counter up later without proper "revenue clerk" paperwork? And "how many watts did those cars consume of 'the taxpayer's electrons' for HOW long?" Then there were B division people running on A division territory, vice versa, when any "specials" are C division "picks?" Politicians and their appointees abhor "surprises" and the risk of "bad media exposure." And a number of things that occurred just BEGGED for such really bad kharma for those who so generously gave folks those rides. What IF some moron stepped on an energized third rail? What if the parents of a child who was cursed at by a photog was from Falwell-land and sued for "child abuse?" (yes, in New York "pain and suffering" has some really weird outcomes) The actual causes of "no more MOD trips" may not be known to the fans, but like I said, those "with the show" got beaten up pretty badly for "unauthorized activities." All it takes is ONE mook to complain and the "wrath of Paturkey" is visited upon all ... and there's no functioning mezuzah when you're TWU. Anyone wanna take this up? |
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Posted by TonyD on Wed May 17 08:19:17 2006, in response to TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by Booge on Tue Apr 18 21:48:26 2006. Some good did come of the MOD trips. The BUs ran on the Brighton and since I missed the fantrip in the seventies, that more than made up for it. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 17 08:30:43 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by TonyD on Wed May 17 08:19:17 2006. They also ran during the centennnial. What a kick to be able to stand between cars on an open platform! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 17 08:51:02 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 8 18:30:40 2006. There was a post about this. Some feared that because some of the money was cash, not checks, it slipped by and never got to the March of Dimes. I hope this is untrue. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 09:21:07 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed May 17 07:41:35 2006. No, they won't vanish. But they won't be getting money they were getting from the MOD trips, $4,000+ per trip I'd guess. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 09:22:35 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by TonyD on Wed May 17 08:19:17 2006. Some good did come of the MOD trips.Some?????????? THEY WERE FRIGGEN AWESOME!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 09:24:25 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 17 08:51:02 2006. I personally *KNOW* some of the people who handled that. TRUST me for what little "Unca Selkoik" is worth in cash ... the PEOPLE who did all that are VERY honest ... too MUCH so for their own good. :(PROBLEM was actually that they DID turn the money over to MOD. PATURKEY and MTA wanted some of it and THUS the "conflicts." :( But the PEOPLE behind it were as honest as the day is long. Alas, we gots REPUBLICANS and Enron, Worldcom, GE and Halliburton didn't get THEIR "piece of the action" according to GOP/D'Amato rules of divvying. :( |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed May 17 09:29:33 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 09:21:07 2006. A drop in the bucket for such a large organization. Beside, the TA will probably just donate the money outright. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 17 09:33:49 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 09:24:25 2006. Thanks, Kev. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 09:35:31 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed May 17 09:29:33 2006. YOU GOT IT! And the "board" won't suffer the uncertainties of "making up the difference" in exposure to DUMBASSES doing "Yo Bubba! Watch THIS!" kinda horsehockey and the LIABILITIES which might result. "Gifts to charities" is GOOD "photo-op" ... governor having to visit hospital for "Moron foamer who got electrocuted and yet LIVED" is NOT.As we said to our "fiscal officer" often in all the places I worked ... "CUT the damned check and CLOSE this case." THEM's the reality. MOD trips did NOT have a "positive balance" in political schmoozing compared to the liabilities. And that is ALL it takes to cause the "ghods of policymaking" to put the kabosh to something "neato, swifto." :( CUT the check, no more MOD trips. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 09:41:15 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 09:35:31 2006. They could have removed/banned the few bad apples from the trips. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 09:44:10 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 17 09:33:49 2006. Moo! Don't mind me, I am *so* tired of the bullsquirt. There's the dedicated droids and then there's the hosers. TOO damned many of those lately, sure do understand the cynicism ... like I said though, I *know* most of the "perps" and they're the BEST of the best. And as always when you do the "public" good as a "civil servant," ... "BEND OVER and RECIVE your reward for doing the RIGHT thing."Did I ever mention? Been "private sector" now for ten years - JUNE 13th is our tenth year doing this "nsclean.com" stuff. Having DONE "politics" though for over 20+ years, it's really nice not having to write "vision statements" for IDIOTS. :) But rest assured, MOD *got* all of that money and THAT is why the employees are in DEEP poo for not cutting the proceeds with Alstom. :( |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed May 17 09:45:00 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by mambomta on Fri Apr 21 12:17:07 2006. Received. Past tense. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 09:46:44 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 09:41:15 2006. "Discrimination" ...BARS are permitted to have "bouncers" ... POLITICAL entities are not. :( |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 17 09:58:51 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 09:46:44 2006. Part of the problem is a lot of us have rang the bells and pulled the handles for real, so we rode the MOD trips to "savor the moment" and see our frends in the business, both rail and person.The foamers went to "foam" and God help anybody who got in their way. One of the MOD trips I attended spent 2 1/2 hours wandering in a yard. Those of us who have rang the bells and pulled the handles for real were bored silly. Yards are for stuffing things in and going home. The foamers, as usual, were spilling gallons of foam, with the usual behavour. That, BTW, was the LAST MOD trip I went on. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 17 10:00:07 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 09:44:10 2006. June 13 will also be my parents' 60th anniversary. Yep, 60 years. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 10:08:50 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 17 09:58:51 2006. That, BTW, was the LAST MOD trip I went on.I don't know what this yard walking tour was that you speak of, but good, that just meant more room for the rest of us on the train. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 17 10:19:27 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 07:50:41 2006. I will take this up. I get the VERY clear impression that a lot of toes were stepped on, but there's room for blame at the top, not just at the bottom with the foolishness of a few "rotten apples." The MOD trips could have (and should have) been a PR bonanza for the MTA. Like the Christmas trips of a couple years ago, (which Public Affairs wanted, according to Lockley and a couple other crew members) which DID generate goodwill for the railroad, the MOD trips could have gone more smoothly with everybody pulling on the same rope.I rode the MOD trips in 2003, "04, and '05. I witnessed one fool yelling obscenities on the June 28, 2003 trip during the photo stop at B. 98 St., so I'm sure there were other incidents of idiocy I missed. However, that could have been curbed by "negative reinforcement", that is, by the other railfans letting the offender know his/her actions are inappropriate. As for the problems with the MTA board and politicians, that's an issue of PUBLICITY. I know the MOD trips weren't as well publicized as they could have been (I found out about them through BERA mailings). If the Mayor and Governor wanted photo ops (which, IMHO, would have ruined the trips, but still,) they could have shown up. "What if some moron had stepped onto an energized third rail?" Bloomberg could have had THAT issue when he rode the LO-V's into Grand Central during Centennial week... Transit Authority issues abounded with these trips because their management style (and I discussed this at length with a retired superintendent, rest his soul) actively discourages events like fan trips. Who's turf are you crossing, what division and line is the excursion messing up (on the 6/28/03 trip, I clearly heard the tower at one point, ASK the T/O of the excursion train "where are you going?)...all this could have been settled with courtesy, instead of everybody working at cross-purposes. As for "You used OUR lifts, OUR cranes and parked it WHERE?", well museum cars or not, these are NYC subway cars in the NYC subway system. It makes sense that they'd be maintained in NYC facilities (IIRC, the labor that went into their restoration was donated, I would hope the MTA would be gracoius enough to donate the maintenance space as well.) I'm not a transit employee, but just someone with an appreciation for all that Bill Wall and his people did. They brought back living history for railfans and others to enjoy. Even the revenue trips were educational, after all, a LOT of New Yorkers were born after these cars were retired. Even accounting for the tomfoolery that sometimes accompanies these trips, they are a valuable, informative glimpse into the days of New York past, and their educational worth alone is enough, in my mind, to justify keeping them running... |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Wed May 17 10:21:02 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 17 09:58:51 2006. What MOD trip spent 21/2 hours in a yard?! I think you're exaggerating. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 17 10:24:47 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 17 10:19:27 2006. One comment I heard during the centennial on the museum R-1/9s was from an older gentleman: "I rode on these cars back in 1952!" To which I replied, "I rode on 'em in the late 60s!" |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 10:34:44 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 17 09:58:51 2006. Heh. MY joy has always been swapping "war stories" with rail crews. Just MY thing I s'pose ... that and "lemme sit down and take IN this "work environment" and go silently crazy in gratitude that the OLD cars would keep us awake, THIS bad boy is just TOO La-Z-Boy. :)One of the BIGGEST shocks to my values was when Kawasaki was still in possession of the first 8 cars of R-143's and I got a chance to RUN them because MTA has not yet "taken possession" and thus if I wrecked, Kawasaki would have been out for 8101-8109. *I* ran the cars a couple of WEEKS before Paturkey did his photo-op in MY train before "acceptance" by MTA. I *still* get "tight in the pants" over that. CRISPNESS, 2001. Heh. But yeah, unlije *US*, the foamers can step off the car and go ride another anytime they get bored. For US, the ride ain't over until we "book off." For ME though, I prefer the PEOPLE to the "car" ... I don't GIVE a rat's ass about the rivet-count, don't CARE about the car number unless I gotta write its miserable ass up - ALL I ever cared about was "booking off" and that's something "foamers" just don't get. It AIN'T the steel, it's ALL about the PEOPLE. :( |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 10:37:34 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Wed May 17 10:21:02 2006. I thought he meant walking but maybe he means riding though the yard. I hope he clarifies. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 17 10:42:04 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 09:44:10 2006. Jeez, please take the political rants back to the OT board where they belong. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 10:43:29 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 17 10:00:07 2006. Can't believe I've been away from the Paturkey farm for ten years either. I've gotten MUCH better, and earning about the same. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 10:53:37 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 17 10:19:27 2006. As they say in Nederlands, "DANK JE!"Folks took all of that for granted, and then "marked their territory" with their bullsquirt. I note that you "mentioned a name" and that is the WORST thing possible" is to NAME an employee good or bad. Matters not to the docudroids or adminiswigs ... only PATURKEY earns "name credits" and therefore, yet another problem with this. I only know Bill peripherally though we've communicated and each time, I'd made the mistake of saying something wrong somewhere. :( I *really* wish that folks would realize when they piss on hourlies with "Empty-yay" that by the mere MENTION of names, dates, places, car numbers that some poor HOURLY is going to get shafted and NOT the politicos who actually CAUSED all the problems. But yeah, "Bill" got PHUCKED for all he did for everybody. And there was NO ONE to back him up when he needed it. OR any of the OTHERS. :( The "foamers" REAPED what they sowed. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 10:59:50 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by Dave on Wed May 17 10:42:04 2006. Dewd ... howdy! OK ... let's do that "blue dress thang" since you're into it. Here's my handle ... gimme 20 pounds of reduction on it. :) |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Wed May 17 11:02:45 2006, in response to TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 16 22:25:10 2006. Ah'm a-goin'! I just hope the June 17 trip doesn't sell out too fast. Already tried to call the reservation number and could only leave a voice message with Luz- she's apparently the one who handles this stuff from having seen her on last year's SIR tour. Luckily, I work just a block and a half from the Museum and could make the reservation and payment in person.It doesn't make it clear, but can we assume 100, 484, 1575 and friends will be used? There were up to FOUR additional cars used in the December '04 Broadway local revenue runs. I think they included 381, 401 and 1803. Unfortunately the large diner at the Rockaway Park diner closed last year. It was heavily publicized in their local weekly, THE WAVE. That's going to make the neighboring eateries very crowded. I can't say it enough- we railfans were SPOILED by the MOD trips. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 17 11:05:47 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 10:53:37 2006. I won't make a practice of mentioning names in the future, but Bill is well known as one of the MOD architects, and rightly or wrongly, I think he deserves high praise for his efforts. It proves once again, sadly, that "no good deed goes unpunished." :-(The morons and a$$holes who messed it up for everybody else made me furious. I remember a 2004 revenue trip (the one right after Turkey Day) where I was enjoying the SMEE train on the 7 line. I got off at Shea to tape the train coming back from Main Street, and right after the train started to roll, some fool pulled a set of doors on the greenbird car. The train went OOS after that, after only half the day...messed it up for all. They tested those doors for three hours that weekend, finding them all in working order. It's too bad that, again, we and the road employees both have to pay for this nonsense... |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 17 11:08:34 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by Howard Fein on Wed May 17 11:02:45 2006. THEY CLOSED THE RAM'S HORN??? I ate there as far back as the '80s...used to live and work on da Rock...that's a shame. first the R-1/9's and R-10s are gone from da Rock, now the Ram's Horn! I'm gettin' too old fa dis qwap... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 11:11:39 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 17 11:05:47 2006. "No good deed" pretty much sums it all up. :(Yeah, "civil service" for those unacquainted is "DILBERT ON STEROIDS" ... there's an official policy for everything, but it's all on "double-secret probation." You don't KNOW when you crossed a line until AFTER the line has been moved. Rocks float, moo. :( Then again, EMT. Consult today's "inserts" for "mood of the day." :) And as to the foamers, the "textbook studies" have already posted. Heh. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 17 11:29:52 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 11:11:39 2006. Today's "inserts"--er, "FDNY Operations Orders" (gee, did I really say that?) are the "flavor of the day...you WILL have pistachio today, tomorrow, well, we'll make that up when we get to it"...As for the MTA griping about the MOD trips, well, it ain't possible that the line superintendents didn't know about a big pre-war subway train on their routes...kinda hard to miss, and besides, too many people hafta be in on it...moo... You're right, service civile is Dilbert times ten. Even as an EMS boss, I could tell you that...had to enforce rules that were silly, ludicrous, insane, or all three. Like the one that places the entire EMS command structure under a Fire Chief with no medical training...that's right, the Chief in Charge of EMS reports to a boss who doesn't know a defibrillator from a dipstick, yet sets policy for the EMS chief (and all the EMS crews) to follow...but I digress...I wonder if the RTO guys out there have to deal with silliness like that... |
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Posted by TonyD on Wed May 17 11:39:17 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed May 17 09:22:35 2006. To change the subject somewhat, my nicest subway experience in New York was the Summer of 74 when SOAC was here. That was awesome. It was as smooth as silk. It went up that hill at Newkirk going southbound as if it weren't there.And I still have my brochures. Also the R9 museum train was running on the QB. You could ride them on the QB and then go to Brighton Beach and ride SOAC. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed May 17 11:43:53 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 17 11:11:39 2006. Just think Selkirk you have some of these foamer nuts just "waiting" to be called for T/O oh joy...Fuel for the fire as i said before come on down know-it-all's. We need the comedy relief. :o) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 17 11:53:20 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train To Return THis Summer, posted by TonyD on Wed May 17 11:39:17 2006. I read about the high-tech (at the time) controllers on those SOAC units and how they were put to the test on the Manhattan Bridge. The motorman set the train's top speed at 15 mph and proceeded downgrade in full parallel. The train never exceeded 15 mph. |
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Closed Diner in Rock Park- re: TM Nostalgia Train |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Wed May 17 12:04:49 2006, in response to Re: TM Nostalgia Train - Destinations announced, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 17 11:08:34 2006. I don't know if that's the name of the diner that occupied the triangle bounded by Beach Channel, Newport and B116. It supposedly closed for renovations a few years ago, reopened again and then closed for good this past winter. I only found out by reading a copy of THE WAVE I found on an N32 bus this past February.There are still numerous small eateries along B116, and a small Chinese around the corner on Rock Beach. There might be a McDonald's east on Beach Channel The normally excessive three-hour break that comes with TM Nostalgia Trips will come in handy considering how crowded every place will be. |
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