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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Feb 23 23:18:12 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by #4 SeaBeachFred on Tue Feb 23 12:56:36 2021. Hello blast from the past! |
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Posted by jabrams on Wed Feb 24 00:06:05 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 23 15:53:12 2021. If you are going down Nostrand it should go across or under Sheepshead Bay to reach Kingsborough C.C. |
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Posted by jabrams on Wed Feb 24 00:10:59 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Feb 23 16:39:25 2021. A two track subway should be built on the Bay Ridge (AAR) line. There used to be 3 tracks, only 1 is there now. A wall can be created to separate the freight from the subway, that is assuming that the Cross Harbor freight tunnel is never built. The row may not be wide enough to have room for stations, however. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:12:56 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Q4 on Tue Feb 23 16:05:40 2021. You mean someone at the MTA actually used a bit of intelligence in planning? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:28:00 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Feb 23 16:39:25 2021. One of the questions I have about the extension of the Nostrand Av Line is where will the subway infrastructure be in relation to the Bay Ridge Freight Line ROW? Without seeing it in person at the moment I can assume that the cut is deep enough so that the subway infrastructure can pass over it the way the 4 Ave subway passes over it in Bay Ridge. The subway infrastructure in the area of Flatbush is a lot shallower than the 4 Ave subway is so its possible it may clear. There have been reports that the subway infrastructure under Nostrand extends a few more blocks S/O the station and that it was visible at one time but was sealed off in the 1950s. There may be some truth to that since the entrance just past the bumping blocks of the station is “new” construction which does not match the original tile work. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:28:50 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Feb 23 16:46:10 2021. Explain further. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:32:47 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Express Rider on Tue Feb 23 17:13:53 2021. It’s doubtful at this point that the IND plan fo Utica will ever come to fruition since S 4 St ends at Union Ave and any subway extension would have to either go under private property or else buildings demolished to through route S 4 St the way 6 Av in Manhattan was done. It’s doubtful that the city or the MTA would be able to exercise any sort of public domain to make that happen. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:35:20 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 23 18:24:56 2021. If Floyd Bennett had been made into a commercial airport around the time LaGuardia was, there would probably have been enough motivation to get some sort of a rapid transit line built there. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:38:36 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by #4 SeaBeachFred on Tue Feb 23 18:57:13 2021. That’s still correct since the #3 stops running to Bkln late at night. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Feb 24 01:38:56 2021, in response to Utica Avenue subway, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 19:12:12 2021. The key is to get the cost-per-distance cut, at least, in half. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:40:34 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by jailhousedoc on Tue Feb 23 21:05:04 2021. I thought that there might have been enough room immediately S/O E 180 for some sort of ramp. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Feb 24 01:41:43 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:35:20 2021. But JFK Airport won out. And, this is relegated to the historical topics. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Feb 24 01:43:07 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by dkupf on Wed Feb 24 01:41:43 2021. If FBF was chosen, Idlewild Airport wouldn't have been renamed in honor of JFK. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:44:05 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by jabrams on Wed Feb 24 00:06:05 2021. The NIMBYs in Manhattan Beach would definitely not like that especially if it had to go over. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Feb 24 01:44:48 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:44:05 2021. True. lol |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Feb 24 05:54:11 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:32:47 2021. Thanks for replying back.My post was in bittersweet jest - nothing unfortunately, will ever be built from S4th, and the Utica shell above Utica Ave. station will sadly remain, just that. As you said, "any subway extension would have to either go under private property or else buildings demolished to through route S 4" Also, it's interesting that the S4 & Utica shells were never used as space by the TA for any kind of facilities - offices, classrooms, storage of infrastructure property etc., although for the latter there would be great difficulty of access, which would rule out any property that was bulky and extremely heavy. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 24 06:36:02 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Feb 23 23:13:07 2021. There is nothing to respond to. I have no need to go to LGA and I'm taking a damned bus from East Harlem if I did. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Feb 24 08:11:08 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 24 06:36:02 2021. There isn’t? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Feb 24 09:01:16 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Feb 23 16:42:28 2021. But how many AirTrain patrons are full families of 4 or more?$7.75 times 4 = $31. Assume a subway ride to get there at $2.75 times 4 = $11. $42 (total) may still be slightly competitive in some cases, but it's hard to make the case for that vs. just hiring a cab. For an individual it usually makes sense; for a family. . .eh. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 24 10:13:09 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:40:34 2021. Checking Google Maps in the satellite mode, the NYWB tracks were cut off at Lebanon Street. Yes, the two lots south of of its former roadway has newer buildings now, along Lebanon Street and East 178th Street. On an empty grassy lot seen between East 178th Street and Wyatt Street, one can see a trace of its ROW once being there.The MTA NYCT bus garage's parking lot takes over, situated between East Tremont Avenue and East 177th Street. Of course, the current West Farms Bus Depot has its full land domain there on the lot placed between the south side of East 177th Street and the Amtrak (ex-NHRR tracks). -William A. Padron ["180"] |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Feb 24 11:31:00 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 23 18:24:56 2021. I think an extension there is viable to locate a new yard at the end of the line. |
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Posted by jabrams on Wed Feb 24 12:39:45 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:28:00 2021. In previous posts, it was stated that it went up to the Bay Ridge freight line, now blocked off by the crossover from one platform to the next. Is there another terminal station (except for the Times Square shuttle that has side platforms instead of an island platform? Was Flatbush Ave, always planned as a terminal station? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 24 14:06:14 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Feb 23 11:52:24 2021. I have worked and walked through many neighborhoods in all 5 boroughs and suburbs which other people were scared of. I never had a problem. Just paid attention to my surroundings and at the same time minded my business. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 24 14:07:31 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:12:56 2021. Let's see if the money to implement that intelligence ever comes through... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 24 14:15:00 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 23 07:12:45 2021. I think that this is short-sighted unless they build a 125th Street crosstown subway. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 24 14:16:19 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 23 01:12:54 2021. The possibility of connecting to Dyre is dead as the viaduct was demolished in the 1990s and even worse, the land sold off and apartment buildings were built.The best we can hope for is Pelham recapture. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 24 14:20:21 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 23 11:09:15 2021. What transfer? His proposal is a direct train from Midtown via 125th. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 24 14:59:17 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Feb 23 23:00:31 2021. Are you kidding? Have a subway station at Hazen St and run a shuttle bus! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 24 15:07:54 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:32:47 2021. Unless they tied in the Utica subway into Fulton St. I have a few ideas how that could be done! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 24 15:13:25 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 24 14:06:14 2021. Thats the deal. Don't look like a tourist, dripping with cameras, ect.And stay away from any three card monte tables! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 15:16:00 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by jabrams on Wed Feb 24 12:39:45 2021. Actually, Flatbush was never planned to be a terminal station which is why it’s constructed the way it is. The Xover between platforms was always there but the original one was temporary possibly made of wood and it was said that you cold stand on that platform and see down into the tunnels. When the IND first opened to Bkln in 1936, the temporary terminal at Rockaway Ave was 2 temporary wooden platforms that covered over the lcl tks. A trains switched to the exp tks at Utica and operated vial the exp tks to Rockaway Av stopping at the temporary platforms at Ralph Ave and Xing between the exp tks N/O Rockaway Ave. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Feb 24 15:31:03 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by #4 SeaBeachFred on Tue Feb 23 19:02:26 2021. Pictures? I recorded video, maybe that's what you meant :)Good to hear from you, too! --Mark |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 24 15:37:09 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Express Rider on Wed Feb 24 05:54:11 2021. Dunno about Utica. I don't think the space is too useful because of the ups-and-downs, but creating a new entrance shouldn't be too hard - just create an opening(s) at the bottom(s) of 1 or more ramps from the mezzanines. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 24 15:46:51 2021, in response to Utica Avenue subway, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 19:12:12 2021.  We aint building nothing for a generation, thanks to the Corona. If any of this stuff excites you, congrats...you're a Democratic Party tool. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 15:48:35 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 24 14:15:00 2021. The problem is that due to the geological fault that necessitated the Bway Line to be built as an el a complete Xtown line might not be possible. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 24 16:06:17 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 15:48:35 2021. Other than the fact they would be burrowing over a fault, I don't see a big problem. There is a big height difference, but that's nothing a bank of elevators can't solve. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 24 17:31:47 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 15:48:35 2021. The 125th St Broadway line station was built as an elevated sta b/c in that area, the topography dips forming "Manhattan Valley". Engineers of the day concluded that due to the deep valley, to contiinue the line underground would require deep tunneling & steep grades. The elevated section of the line more or less kept the line level (and saved a ton of $$$). The ancient fault in the area wasn't a factor in this case. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 24 18:42:26 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 24 17:31:47 2021. Doesn't 14th Street and maybe Canal Street have fault lines ? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 24 19:12:00 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 24 18:42:26 2021. That I don't know. But the landscape and topography of upper Manhattan is much different than around 14th st or Canal. South of 14th St, subway engineers encountered softer soil & quicksand during construction. Any seismic activity there (as unlikely as it would be) would be absorbed by the lesser amounts of the solid Manhattan Schist found uptown. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 24 21:42:43 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 24 01:28:50 2021. After eastbound track D-2 crosses under express tracks D-4 and D-3, split it. The LaGuardia bound track would run under the D-2 track at the Steinway St (34 Ave) station. Have the new platform platform connect with the 36 St bound D-1 platform via a stairway. The track from the airport would share the existing D-1 track from Broadway and its platform. my inspiration was the original Nevins St station setup with its (unused) lower track and platform! |
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Posted by K. Trout on Wed Feb 24 23:49:37 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Feb 23 15:07:00 2021. I'd extend from the upper level of Roosevelt instead. Broadway->41 Av->82 St->stops at Terminals A, B, and C/D. Intermediate stops would be at 34 Av, 31 Av, and Astoria Blvd. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Feb 25 01:06:56 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 24 21:42:43 2021. That would be about the only way you could do it but don’t forget a stairway from the lower level LaGuardia bound platform to the upper level Ctl bound platform. The only question remaining is which of the Qns Blvd lcl service would you sent to LAG? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Feb 25 01:16:53 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by randyo on Thu Feb 25 01:06:56 2021. Since there would be other new stations along this line, I would extend the "G" to LGA, 24/7. Remember, there would be no "M" to Queens Plaza, during midnights. |
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Feb 25 08:52:03 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 24 14:59:17 2021. Well if they close down the jail and redevelop the property, a subway stop could enhance that plan. |
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Feb 25 08:56:31 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Feb 25 01:16:53 2021. I would do the R so you have direct service to Manhattan and not have to change at Queens Plaza. The G could then run to Continental. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 25 09:43:19 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 24 14:59:17 2021. Of course I’m kidding |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Feb 25 10:27:19 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Feb 23 22:19:12 2021. That wouldn't provide for the transfer from Metro-North. (Or from the 4/5/6 lines coming from the Bronx.) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Feb 25 13:39:04 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 25 09:43:19 2021. Since Rikers Island is technically in the Bronx, they could build a Co-op City II there! But the shuttle bus still goes to the Hazen St subway station. 'NO SUBWAY FOR YOU!!!!". lol |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Feb 25 13:45:56 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by Q4 on Thu Feb 25 08:56:31 2021. When I chose the "G", I took into account that there was no overnight service to Queens on the "R". If 24/7 service was restored for the "R", it might be a good choice. I also considered the fact that Brooklyn-Queens crosstown riders would also have direct access to LGA. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Feb 25 13:53:12 2021, in response to Re: Utica Avenue subway / SAS Phase 2+, posted by K. Trout on Wed Feb 24 23:49:37 2021. You would probably need additional stops at 82nd/Northern Blvd and 82nd/Astoria Blvd. Right? |
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