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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Aug 19 09:14:59 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 18 21:25:15 2019. The mezzanine was set up as a pedestrian passage, and there were retail shops all along the length of it, I guess to generate additional revenue. With Port Authority Bus Terminal adjacent, there was a lot of foot traffic through the concourse.Passenger convenience was definitely not part of the equation. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 19 09:43:02 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 19 06:51:25 2019. The lower platform was a cross-under and allowed for transfers between the two upper level platforms.Also CPW-Queens traffic probably used the BB/B or D and 7/53. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 19 13:48:23 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Aug 14 20:25:46 2019. https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/showpix?bnN0YSBpbiAoMzM5OCl8MHw1fDUwfFNob3dpbmd8L3dpa2kvSU5EXzh0aF9BdmVudWVfTGluZXxueWVhciBkZXNjLG5tb24gZGVzYyxuZGF5IGRlc2M= |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 19 16:23:24 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by VictorM on Sun Aug 18 21:51:45 2019. Are you sure of that because having worked all the IND lines as a V/R M/M I didn’t even see a space for any additional switches. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 19 16:59:01 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 14 11:37:24 2019. Probably Mayor Hylan |
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Posted by murray1575 on Mon Aug 19 17:44:33 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 18 09:11:04 2019. Those E trains would continue on to the express track south of the station as rush hour E trains to Lefferts Blvd. or the Rockaways would run express in Manhattan and Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 19 17:53:42 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by murray1575 on Mon Aug 19 17:44:33 2019. Some rush hr E trains went to Lefferts? Never knew that. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 19 18:26:41 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 19 17:53:42 2019. 3 Es were put in from Lefferts in the AM and 3 went to Lefferts in the PM. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 19 18:30:45 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by randyo on Mon Aug 19 18:26:41 2019. Why did they bother ? Plug gaps between A trains ? Too much E service to the Rockaways ? Did people actually stand on the platform and let A's go by to catch one ? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 19 20:28:02 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 19 18:30:45 2019. The 3 AM and 3 PM trains were put in service for riders using the 104th St, 111th St, and Lefferts Blvd stations during the rush hours.Times for their departures were even posted for this service. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 19 20:45:38 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Mitch45 on Wed Aug 14 13:52:46 2019. Are we forgetting something, guys? If the City did not want a westward expansion of the IRT Corona line, all it had to do was not to finance the subway work- which they would have to approve. After all, we are tunneling under municipal streets, aren't we? Remember the 10+ year delay for the BMT Nassau St line and Montague St connection? Who built that, finally- the City! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 19 20:54:22 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 19 20:45:38 2019. PWN3D! |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Aug 19 22:58:29 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 19 09:43:02 2019. Transfer at 7/53 is the way I almost always have gone from Queens to the upper West Side; perhaps an occasional transfer at 47-50 Street. Rarely would I go to 42 St on 6 or 8 Ave. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Aug 19 23:11:43 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 19 20:45:38 2019. Of course, a physical obstruction would make a change of heart by a future administration harder to implement. To this day, trucks can't use Robert Moses' parkways because of the low bridges, despite Moses being long dead. Could all those bridges be replaced? Certainly, but it would cost billions of dollars. Could the lower level of 42/8 be destroyed? Obviously, as it has been done, but look how long it took! |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue Aug 20 00:37:28 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Aug 18 10:34:12 2019. But in 1932 it was known that the 6th Av subway was being built. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Aug 20 00:52:43 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by randyo on Mon Aug 19 16:23:24 2019. I'm positive. At 24:58 in this video (from a S/B C) you see there is enough space for a scissors crossover between the S/B local and the ramp track, in place of the simple crossover that now exists:You can see the same thing more clearly (from a S/B A) at 29:04 in this video: As I recall, they were relatively short scissors crossovers, the same length as the current simple ones. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 20 07:59:52 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 19 20:45:38 2019. Technically true. They could deny funding and/or authorization in the present day. But they may have been engaging in perverse forward things and have been trying to prevent a future administration from extending the IRT there.Years later, as we all know (and many of us, myself included, have ridden it), a very seriously, really committed administration got the IRT extended anyway. For which I'm glad. Too bad stop at 42nd/10th got cut. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 20 08:06:26 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 19 17:53:42 2019. Yep- the first Chrystie map (with the NX train) explicitly shows the E going to Lefferts. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Aug 20 12:31:36 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by randyo on Thu Aug 15 16:53:26 2019. Whatever happened, it was well over a century ago, but it did have huge ramifications for NYC Transit.I wonder - if the Hylan incident had never occurred, would the City have constructed its own system anyway at some point? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Aug 20 13:31:16 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 20 08:06:26 2019. Thanks for the info. I will have to find one of these maps and check it out - hope I still have an original somewhere. It seemed that maps were revised and "new" editions issued somewhat frequently in the first couple of years after Chrystie street opened. Is this correct?Has anyone a list of these different editions, say from Nov. 1967 - 1971 or '72? And, IIRC E service to the Rockaways during rush hours had existed prior to Chrystie for some time. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 20 14:49:22 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Express Rider on Tue Aug 20 13:31:16 2019. I believe so. I only have the first version, but info on nycsubway.org indicates that as the service patterns were adjusted between 1967-69, maps were re-issued.I wasn't exactly around back then- my mom was a few months pregnant with me on 11/26/67. She let me have that map when I was about 8. I had it copied and the copy is on my wall in my home office. The original is put away! |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:37:46 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Aug 19 22:58:29 2019. The same thing going the other way. When I was attending Queens College I would take either a BB or a D to 7 Ave and head downstairs for the E. Once I did stay on the A and used 42/8 but I didn’t care for it and a few times I went to 50/6 and changed for the F. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:49:46 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by K. Trout on Tue Aug 20 00:37:28 2019. In the planning stage and actually in use are not the same thing. 1932 was still the early stages of the depression and there was no guarantee than any of the planned lines would be built as evidenced by the delay in the opening of the SAS and the existence of station shells at Utica upper and S 4 St. 10 years went by between the opening of the IND to Rockaway Av and extension to ENY and eventually Euclid. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:58:39 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by VictorM on Tue Aug 20 00:52:43 2019. I can't imagine that they were ever there since there would have been no reason for either the B of T or the TA to remove switches that were already in place till the diamaond Xovers between B1 and B3 were removed S/O Bway/Laf in preparation for Chrystie and even those could have and should have been retained if what passes for TA planning exercised a bit more intelligence when constructing the ramps. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:00:39 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:58:39 2019. There was another set of switches removed and those were the diamond Xover between the exp Tks N/O Rockaway Av after thru service was established to ENY |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:08:53 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 20 08:06:26 2019. When I broke in a a M/M in 1968, part of my Pitkin Yd qualification was an E put in for Lefferts. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Aug 20 17:12:54 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 19 18:30:45 2019. When I used to visit my grandmother in Far Rockaway I DID let A's go by to catch an "E" as I always loved the R1-9's and would much rather go through the bridges to the Rockaways on an R1-9 instead of an R-10 |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Aug 20 17:12:54 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 19 18:30:45 2019. When I used to visit my grandmother in Far Rockaway I DID let A's go by to catch an "E" as I always loved the R1-9's and would much rather go through the bridges to the Rockaways on an R1-9 instead of an R-10 |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 20 17:49:19 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Aug 20 17:12:54 2019. Well OK for railfans, but what about the other 99.9% of the passengers ? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:51:06 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Aug 20 12:31:36 2019. Hard to say. It was definitely planned to have the BMT Bway Subway utilize the CPW route that eventually went to the IND although possibly with a slightly different routing uptown. Actually, after Hylan was out of office and most of the bad blood had disappeared, the BMT was offered the rights to operate the new subway lines but refused unless it were allowed to raise the fare above a nickel which was of course denied. I have a photo of n R-1 mockup (taken where, I don’t know) but it shows a number instead of a letter in its roll sign box seeming to indicate that had the BMT taken operation of the new lines, the BMT’s numbering system started with the D types would have been continued. In all probability, rather than a Fulton St subway, the unmodified remainder of the Fulton St el structure would have been upgraded for steel cars and connected either to the BMT 4 Av subway or the new subway that was being built and eventually operated by the IND. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Aug 20 19:32:14 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:58:39 2019. Those switches could have been removed to save money on maintenance since they were rarely, if ever, used. They just removed half a scissors crossover going from B4 to B2 at 34 St on the 6 Av IND. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Aug 20 19:48:55 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:00:39 2019. would avoiding maintenance costs have saved that much money through the years for switches such as these (or anywhere else in the system) to be removed?Sites like the one above - if these were left in place, wouldn't switches facilitate any kind of potential train moves that became necessary, revenue ones for the benefit of passengers and non revenue moves to yards/shops etc. - the latter especially - efficientt train movement between tracks benefits normal operations immediately, and less down time for active rolling stock being moved - i.e. less travel time to switching sites for immediate revenue route changes, or for a massive fleet movement from a secondary yard to 207 or CI for major work? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 21 07:00:29 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:08:53 2019. Interesting. On an Arnine, I guess? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Aug 21 14:00:57 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Aug 20 17:12:54 2019. Same for me! I loved riding the R-1/9's on the HH, out of Euclid Ave.We always left the beach at Rockaway Park around 4:30PM, so we usually caught these cars as "E" trains, going back home. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Aug 21 14:12:15 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by K. Trout on Tue Aug 20 00:37:28 2019. Work on the 6th Ave subway did not begin until 1936, some four years later. With the Depression, nothing was known, for sure. In late 1932, lack of funding had stopped construction on the Fulton St subway from Lewis Ave to Rockaway Ave for almost a year. As a consequence, the opening of the IND Fulton Line to Rockaway Ave had to be postphoned from 1935 to 1936. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:04:23 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 21 07:00:29 2019. Yes although by that time there were 38s and 40s on the E. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Aug 21 19:11:28 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:49:46 2019. Correct. Among other things in the 1930s the city had to borrow so much money to build the IND that it on several occasions reached its debt limit which explains the incremental nature of its expansion after the original line opened. Also the Sixth Ave. IND line was an extremely expensive line to build as it crossed over or under several existing subway and railroad lines as well as one of the city's water supply tunnels. After that World War II intervened and made it impossible to complete the Fulton St. line to Euclid Ave. until 1948 and its eventual connection to the outer end of the old Fulton St. Elevated line until 1956. Also the extension of the IND to Coney Island over the Culver Elevated wasn't completed until 1954 and even after that there was a shortage of reliable equipment on all three subway divisions. All things considered the IND was an ambitious undertaking for its time which no other city could have accomplished. Yes some areas were still under served but it did replace most of the old outdated elevated lines permitting their removal and extend service to places which badly needed it (Bronx Concourse/Queens Blvd lines). |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Aug 21 20:29:43 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Elkeeper on Wed Aug 21 14:00:57 2019. At one time the A only operated to Lefferts Blvd. and on weekends to get to Rockaway you had to take an HH shuttle train from Euclid Ave. which used the express platforms since the express tracks were not otherwise used on weekends. I remember taking such a trip with my father somewhere around 1959 when we lived in the South Bronx. it seemed like we would never get there! The shuttle train was jam packed and hot. A lot of people still did not own cars in those days and used the subways and buses. We had to pay a second fare when we exited at Beach 36th St. where my aunt and uncle stayed for the summer and a double fare to board for the trip home. We changed trains at Fulton St. for the 5 and if the 5 was too crowded we changed for the 6 at Brooklyn Bridge or Grand Central as we lived within walking distance of both lines near Southern Boulevard. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Aug 21 20:56:11 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by murray1575 on Wed Aug 21 20:29:43 2019. I remember all of that! Beginning in the summer of 1956 through 1961, my great-aunt used to take me to Rockaway Park, because I loved the beach there.We would walk down Pennsylvania Ave from Jamaica Av/New Jersey Ave. At Liberty Ave, we took the "A" train to Euclid Ave and made a cross platform transfer to the "HH". The highlight of my trip was looking down at the junction of the former Fulton St el. I had been lucky enough to have rode that el from Atlantic Ave or Eastern Pkwy (weekends), a few weeks before it closed in April, 1956. Nobody had told me that the old el would be demolished, starting in Jan, 1958. As I passed the former junction during the summer of 1958, all I could see was about a 100 foot stub, stripped and abandoned. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Thu Aug 22 03:30:29 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Aug 13 21:00:11 2019. Like there are at 76th Street? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:13:57 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by kew gardens teleport on Thu Aug 22 03:30:29 2019. SSSSHHHHHH!!! Let this VIA LXXVII rest in peace! |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Aug 23 17:03:17 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:51:06 2019. I would agree. Before the line was extended east to connect with the Second Avenue Subway there were two tail tracks north of the 57th St. BMT station. It was possible that they were intended for eventual extension farther north probably via CPW/8th Ave. It seemed that the routing to Queens via CPW/60th St. was an afterthought the way it was built. Some R-1 cars did operate on the 4th Ave. BMT line in the late 1940s and early 1950s due to a shortage of cars on the BMT. Of course by then the IRT and BMT were both operated by the city although it took many years to establish free transfer points and track connections between the IND and the BMT. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Fri Aug 23 17:31:49 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by murray1575 on Fri Aug 23 17:03:17 2019. It's funny how it worked out that the IND ended up building a lot of the subway expansion plans that were considered for the BMT in the early 1920s, and simply duplicated the existing BMT to tie into the new routes. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 23 20:08:47 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by K. Trout on Fri Aug 23 17:31:49 2019. It's funny how it worked out that the IND ended up building a lot of the subway expansion plans that were considered for the BMT in the early 1920s, and simply duplicated the existing BMT to tie into the new routes. What is really ironic is the Arnine were built for service on the INDependent Subway. Yet they made their first and last runs on the BMT. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 23 20:30:07 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 23 20:08:47 2019. 381 was part of that group of cars that ran in service on the Sea Beach line before the first IND line opened. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 23 20:41:27 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 23 20:30:07 2019. \ |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 23 20:44:01 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by murray1575 on Fri Aug 23 17:03:17 2019. yes it was .also the bmt wanted to build a Madison ave subway.ground was broken at 69st-n- Madison and that was it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Aug 23 22:13:17 2019, in response to Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by Express Rider on Tue Aug 13 20:27:46 2019. I used to go down there if I was in the area when I worked in the hole. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 24 02:22:34 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by murray1575 on Fri Aug 23 17:03:17 2019. I don’t think the 60 St route was an afterthought but its current configuration is a modification of what was originally planned. Originally, the line was supposed to use the Queensboro Br to get to Queens probably using the trolley tracks. In Manhattan the eastbound tk would run under 59 St and the westbound tk would run under 60 St as it does now. At some point, it was decided to build an east river tunnel instead and construction under 59 St was abandoned. There were supposedly remnants of tunnel construction under 59 St between the IRT upper and lowere levels but these were destroyed when the 59 St exp platform was built. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Aug 24 02:31:08 2019, in response to Re: Lower Level platform 42nd & 8th Ave., posted by randyo on Sat Aug 24 02:22:34 2019. If I'm not mistaken, the 59 St tunnel was repurposed for the IRT local underpass which is still in use today. |
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