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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009 I would like to see:A full length Second Avenue Subway An extension of the Archer Avenue Line east An extension of the Astoria line to LaGuardia AN extension of the Flatbush Avenue Line to Avenue U |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Wed Dec 23 13:54:04 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. What makes you think the MTA has any money to do any of this??? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Dec 23 14:00:50 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. Why dont you put these ideas into a Fantasy Subway map? |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 14:07:51 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by lrg5784 on Wed Dec 23 13:54:04 2009. At this time they do not but there is no harm in creating a wish list |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 14:08:33 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Dec 23 14:00:50 2009. Thank you I remember seeing one of those maps posted somewhere. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 23 14:19:44 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. An extension of the Archer Avenue Line eastIf it proceeds by takeover of LIRR alignment, probably feasible and a good idea. An extension of the Astoria line to LaGuardia Not a good idea. Look at the projected ridership. A full length Second Avenue Subway Good luck with that... |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Dec 23 14:26:57 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. I hope I live long enough to see a revenue train on the north bound express track at 57st/7th ave go up the ramp to 63/lex and on to 72st/2nd ave. This is not the same economy that built the 63st line all the way to Northern Blvd and 31st. I think the only 2 things that are sure to be finished are the 7 extension and the LIRR Grand Central connection. |
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Posted by Think twice on Wed Dec 23 15:03:41 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. A four-track Second Avenue Subway.L train over the Bay Ridge ROW to New Utrecht Ave. M train over NYCR ROW to the unused terminal under Roosevelt Ave. Subway to Staten Island. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 23 15:15:22 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. A full length Second Avenue SubwayDefine "full length". Just from one end of Second Avenue to the other (from Houston Street to 128th Street/Harlem River Drive)? An extension of the Archer Avenue Line east East to where? You want a subway to Hollis? An extension of the Astoria line to LaGuardia Sure, when they build the Astoria Subway. AN extension of the Flatbush Avenue Line to Avenue U What's the "Flatbush Avenue Line"? There's no subway under Flatbush Avenue that I know of. If you mean the 2 under Nostrand Avenue, what's at Avenue U that makes it a worthy terminus? and what makes the nearby Brighton Line insufficient? |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 23 15:20:19 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Dec 23 14:00:50 2009. If it's a fantasy map, why not go all the way and have the second avenue subway run via lower Manhattan, Governor's Island, and Red Hook and form an east-west cross-Brooklyn line? And have an express via the Brooklyn Bridge that continues through southeast Brooklyn to the Rockaways via a brand-new rail-only bridge across the bay? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Dec 23 15:22:46 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. A full length SAS.A 34th Street shuttle connecting Penn Station to the east side of Manhattan, so that the "42nd Street Shuffle" can be eliminated. A Union Turnpike trunk line off the QB line in Queens running from Queens Boulevard to the city line at Lakeville Road, so that St. John's University students can have a faster ride to and from Manhattan without enduring that pokey Q46 bus, and to give transit relief to untapped places like Kew Gardens Hills, Hillcrest, Fresh Meadows, Jamaica Estates, Bayside and Glen Oaks, none of which have never even sniffed a subway line. Reactivation of the LIRR Rockaway Line as a Penn Station-JFK link and to restore LIRR service to places like Rego Park, Woodhaven (which used to have two LIRR stations but now has none) and Ozone Park, which is underserved by the (A). Extension of the Archer Avenue line to eastern Queens, as originally intended. A tunnel to Staten Island to line the subway with SIRT and give Staten Islanders some deserved transit relief. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 23 15:30:35 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Dec 23 15:22:46 2009. A circle line via the Fulton subway, 8th Avenue, Queens Blvd and current airtrain lines. (The Federal Circle station on the airtrain would be converted to the JFK Airport station on the subway. The airtrain would be cut back but would still run as a free circulator between the terminals and the new JFK Airport subway station.) |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 17:02:02 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Think twice on Wed Dec 23 15:03:41 2009. cool!! |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 17:05:32 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion pipe-dream list?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 23 15:15:22 2009. Yes, extend the subway to Hollis,Astoria has an elevated line and the terminal is not too far from LaGuardia. That is why I said Flatbust instead of Nostrand, Nostrand Avenue is 14 blocks east of the Brighton line, Flatbush Avenue is further east. On Flatbush Avenue & Avenue U is Kings Plaza Shopping Mall and other retail. There is also a marina. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 17:10:37 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Dec 23 15:22:46 2009. Nice, but isn't the LIRR Rockaway Line the A line? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Dec 23 17:12:02 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 23 15:30:35 2009. Would that circle line be elevated? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 23 17:17:05 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 17:10:37 2009. Nice, but isn't the LIRR Rockaway Line the A line?Part of it, yes, but all of it. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 23 17:17:19 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 17:10:37 2009. Nice, but isn't the LIRR Rockaway Line the A line?Part of it, yes, but NOT all of it. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Dec 23 17:21:54 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. LIRR Dual modes run directly into NYP during middays and weekends.Send the (V) down an rebuilt Rocaway line to Rocaway Park (An connection between the Queens blvd line and Rocaway line ROW would be built). |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 23 17:36:54 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Dec 23 15:22:46 2009. A 34th Street shuttle connecting Penn Station to the east side of Manhattan, so that the "42nd Street Shuffle" can be eliminated.I would like to see a 34 St light rail someday, from river to river. A Union Turnpike trunk line off the QB line in Queens running from Queens Boulevard to the city line at Lakeville Road, so that St. John's University students can have a faster ride to and from Manhattan without enduring that pokey Q46 bus, and to give transit relief to untapped places like Kew Gardens Hills, Hillcrest, Fresh Meadows, Jamaica Estates, Bayside and Glen Oaks, none of which have never even sniffed a subway line. This proposal quickly runs into a branching problem. 15 tph Archer Av, 15 tph Hillside Av already. Plus, extending the Hillside Av Branch brings you further eat quicker, instead of largely duplicating an existing alignment to hit a lot of parkland. Reactivation of the LIRR Rockaway Line as a Penn Station-JFK link and to restore LIRR service to places like Rego Park, Woodhaven (which used to have two LIRR stations but now has none) and Ozone Park, which is underserved by the (A). I view restoration of the LIRR Rockaway Branch as disfavored. There is already a NYP-JFK link that was built at great cost. Restroing the Branch would also take resources that could achieve similar ends by taking over existing and wholly underutilized LIRR alignments like the Montauk Line in Queens. Extension of the Archer Avenue line to eastern Queens, as originally intended. Assuming takeover of the LIRR alignment, this seems sound. A tunnel to Staten Island to line the subway with SIRT and give Staten Islanders some deserved transit relief. Given the cost of the tunnel, how many years for this move to approach anything like payoff in reduced commuting time? SIR is a commuter railroad with fairly low ridership that doesn't have an optimal alignment to pick up ridership. There isn't much reason to suppose that the ferry hookup isn't optimal, all things considered. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Wed Dec 23 18:41:40 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. I'd like to see them expand their rolling stock to include the coolest most advanced in all the world. |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Dec 23 18:46:57 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. I would like to see restoration of train service on Third and Webster Avenues at least between East 138th Street-Third Avenue and Gun Hill Road-White Plains Road if not from East 125th Street and Lexington Avenue.This could be a benefit to middle Bronx residents whose options since April 29, 1973 have been either the (2)/(5) on Westchester Avenue/Southern Boulevard or the (B)/(D) on Grand Concourse and Boulevard. This could also possibly help to relieve Lexington Avenue. If you start at East 125th Street and Lexington Avenue, a transit center with the (4)(5)(6) (Q)(T) and MNRR could be created; if you start from East 138th Street-Third Avenue, a transfer with the (6) could be created. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 23 18:48:45 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 14:07:51 2009. There was a time when neither nor the NYCTA built rapid transit lines of any kind. All lines were built and owned by the CITY OF NEW YORK and only OPERATED by the respective agencies. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 23 18:50:07 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 23 14:19:44 2009. The original plan was for the Archer Av Line to operate over a reclaimed portion of the LIRR ROW. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 23 18:53:14 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion pipe-dream list?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 23 15:15:22 2009. Although the original plan for the IRT Nostrand Av Line was to extend it straight down Nostrand as far as Emmons Av, in the mid 197s, the plan was revised to have the extension routed down Flatbush Av S/O the Flatbush terminus to the Kings Plaza shopping mall. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 23 19:02:52 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. A new track between Stillwell and W 8th to tie the Brighton line into the Cyclone and then call it "The BriClone".your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 23 19:18:35 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. MOMSuzie Q (the original proposal to Sparta) West Trenton Northern Branch Raritan, WORM and Lower NJCL electrification SLE service to Hartford and Springfield, MA New Haven/NYP Metro North service The wish list for people who live in the area and have zip codes beginning with "0". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 23 19:21:12 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 23 19:18:35 2009. Crap, forgot:Phillipsburg extension. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Dec 23 19:42:09 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 23 19:02:52 2009. How 'bout the "Cighton" |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Dec 23 19:49:57 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. That's that the only way you'll get the Astoria line into LGA airport. That structure isn't going one inch beyond where it ends now.NIMBY's. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Dec 23 19:50:29 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by 156n3rd on Wed Dec 23 18:41:40 2009. I'd like to see them expand their rolling stock to include the coolest most advanced in all the world.We already have IGBT motors in the R-160s. I'd argue for 100 km/h design target with 3.0 mphs acceleration rates. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Dec 23 20:00:15 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. Nassau St line south of Chambers St annexed to the SAS - T to Brooklyn and to Bay Ridge.Cortlandt to Whitehall annexed to the E - E extended to Bay Parkway. R cut back to City Hall upper level. W via CH LL to Brooklyn to the Court St station and then run via Fulton local and then splitting off to run down via Utica Av. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Dec 23 20:00:47 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. What I'd like to see in a quasi-realistic sense...-> A new deep bored trunk line from Lakeville Road near Long Island Jewish Medical Center through Glen Oaks to Oakland Gardens to Fresh Meadows Shopping Centre, then aiming for Queens College. From Queens College, the line would travel westward on a path crossing near the Queens Railway at 71st Ave, and aiming for Middle Village and Maspeth, and a swing northward under the cemeteries and Sunnyside to connect with the 63rd Street Line. -> A spur off the Canarsie Line between Montrose Avenue and Morgan Avenue stations under Bushwick, Stuyvesant, and Utica Avenues ending at an undetermined point based on demographics, NIMBY, and geotechnical concerns. -> A spur off the Flushing Line from Willets Point Boulevard station along the Whitestone Expressway ROW to 20th Avenue. Potentially, if bored, one could build a portal and extend the line via a deep bore to 14th Avenue and 150th Street. -> Extend the Pelham Line from Pelham Bay Park over the New England Thruway ROW to a station located at Bartow Avenue and Baychester Blvd. -> Extend the New Lots Line from New Lots Avenue to Gateway Centre. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Dec 23 20:01:21 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. Keep all (A) trains going to Far Rockaway.Reclassify all (A) trains to Lefferts Blvd. as (K) trains. All (C) trains to 76th St ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Dec 23 20:01:48 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. Nassau St line south of Chambers St annexed to the SAS - T to Brooklyn and to Bay Ridge.Cortlandt to Whitehall annexed to the E - E extended to Bay Parkway.* Rush hours only, other times cut back to Whitehall. R cut back to City Hall upper level. W via CH LL to Brooklyn to the Court St station and then run via Fulton local and then splitting off to run down via Utica Av. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Dec 23 20:07:50 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Dec 23 19:49:57 2009. I still think it'd be easier to build an AirTrain line over the Grand Central pkwy to the airport starting from the Astoria Blvd station.Also maybe build the line over the |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 23 20:11:47 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Dec 23 19:49:57 2009. NIMBYsKick 'em out. They don't like the el anyhow. (Or conscript 'em into forced labor, especially any of them on welfare, and make 'em build an Astoria Subway out to LGA.) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 23 20:12:16 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. An extension of the Astoria line to LaGuardiaROTFLMAO - not unless you want riots in Astoria... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 23 20:15:27 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 23 20:12:16 2009. Meh. Draft 'em all and make 'em convert the els through there into subways. Nothing like an underground 7 train under Roosevelt, or an Astoria subway rumbling towards the Marine Air Terminal, eh? |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 23 20:15:33 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. I really don't see the need to spend billions of dollars on subway lines to every corner of the city. A combination of terminal improvements to the commuter rail network to support rapid-transit-like headways and new-build LRTs collecting traffic for both the existing subway system and the enhanced commuter rail network would probably go a long way toward meeting Brooklyn and Queens' transit needs.IMHO a natural progression from projects already underway to provide rapid transit headways to the inner NY metro area with commuter rail would likely include something like this: 
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 23 20:16:18 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 23 20:15:33 2009. Nope. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 23 20:16:35 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Dec 23 19:49:57 2009. One solution, which I've mentioned before, would be to ramp the el underground just north of Astoria Blvd., build a new underground Ditmars station (with 3 tracks), and then run a 2-track underground extension to the airport.There would be several benefits to north Astoria residents: 1.Eliminaton of street congestion, and more air and light, at Ditmars. 2. A new station wold be built closer to the bus line at Ditmars (the current station is a good 2-city-block equivalent away). 3. The airport trains would run express in peak hours, stopping at Ditmars and Astoria Blvds. Locals would terminate at the center track at the new Ditmars station. 4. There could be 1 or 2 new stations in the Steinway area. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 23 20:17:14 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 23 15:20:19 2009. Last time we had el trains on the Brooklyn Bridge was when the Myrtle Avenue line was in one piece. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Dec 23 20:26:55 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Dec 23 20:01:21 2009. Sounds good :) |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Wed Dec 23 20:30:32 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Dec 23 19:49:57 2009. Good post. |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Wed Dec 23 20:32:42 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by randyo on Wed Dec 23 18:48:45 2009. You know what that means: you want to see your extensions come to life, build it yourself! :-P |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 23 21:52:03 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 23 20:16:18 2009. Really WigWagFan? What is it you find so wrong about the plan? Is it operationally unworkable? Is it technically infeasible? Is it economically nonviable? I'll grant the last one would be a difficult case to make given its capital cost. Other than money there really isn't a showstopper for that project. And I'm confident that in a cost/benefit analysis the potential for 120,000 to 180,000 commuters per hour entering Manhattan without making a transfer would trump any alternative which involves a ferry, a PATH expansion, the Jersey Central dump, or something similar. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Dec 23 23:33:20 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 23 19:02:52 2009. Oh hell yeah! I'd love that. :D |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Dec 23 23:34:12 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 23 15:20:19 2009. Then what about the car traffic? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 23 23:56:05 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009.
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