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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 00:45:25 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Think twice on Wed Dec 23 15:03:41 2009. There's an unused terminal under Roosevelt Av? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 00:54:20 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 23 17:36:54 2009. Montauk line can not be taken over as you have been told over and over again. It is of vital importance for freight. Also, can LIRR afford giving up track to the subway for an Archer extension? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 01:06:05 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Dec 23 18:46:57 2009. I say make that the Bronx portion of SAS |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 01:20:30 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 23 20:15:33 2009. I'd still rather see a regional rail agency. I know, politics, blah blah blah. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 01:28:07 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 23 23:56:05 2009. I am strongly against any 7 extension paralleling the LIRR while extreme northeast queens (whitestone) still goes without rail service. LIRR can handle those customers along Northern Blvd and let the 7 run up to Whitestone |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 01:36:13 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Dec 24 22:20:10 2009. Ferry LGA to Bx??? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 02:00:52 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. NYC Subway:7 train to Fort Totten via Whitestone 7 train to WFC Hillside Av to Braddock Av Archer Av to somewhere in SE Queens V to Howard Beach via Rockaway branch SAS -trunk line in Manhattan -Q train via SAS to 125th crosstown -Bronx section via 3rd Av to Fordham -Queens section via single track LIRR row superexpress to Rockaway Branch, operates to Rockaway Park 2/5 to Kings Plaza via Flatbush Av Liberty Av to Jamaica, maybe somewhere else after that? L to 59th/11th Something via LIE/Union Tpke to Lakeville (tie in with superexpress?) North Shore SIR heavy rail 6 train to Co-Op City LIRR: CRRLI Garden City-Bethpage rebuilt (full length would be sick and offer a hell of a lot of relief to Jamaica and the main line, but it's all built up south of Union Tpke PJ line re-extended to Wading River Mineola-CLP-WH ROW rebuilt FBA to downtown continuing to NJ via NJT Regional rail service Bay Ridge-New Rochelle beltway train |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 03:25:13 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 24 23:33:15 2009. Nonsense ... there's solutions that work, and work WELL. It's what I do for a living. But you're not going to get it out of Halliburton, General Dynamics or Microsoft. :) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 25 06:05:07 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 24 14:24:27 2009. The Kingsbridge armory deal should have been killed. It was a bad idea, would have destroyed local business in the area and would have only benefited Emperor Bloomberg's real estate buddies. I'm speaking a a resident of the area. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 25 06:07:47 2009, in response to Re: Caesareans (was: Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 24 23:44:10 2009. HUH? Must be an EU thing. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 25 06:12:46 2009, in response to TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Dec 23 19:49:57 2009. HAHA, Tear down the Astoria El was the title of an infamous thread from the past. LOL |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 25 06:14:03 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 24 23:39:27 2009. Just like the EU stuff you invent in your head. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 25 06:16:48 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 24 17:06:40 2009. >>>>>Oh, no. I thought you were part of the club,<<<<<What club might that be???? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 25 09:38:28 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 03:25:13 2009. Cows with guns!:) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 25 10:28:56 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Ian Lennon on Thu Dec 24 22:21:15 2009. But prohibitively expensive. Not like LIRR runs so many trains that the the trackage couldn't be put to higher ridership use. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 25 10:35:06 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 00:54:20 2009. Montauk line can not be taken over as you have been told over and over again. It is of vital importance for freight.LIRR only needs one of the Atlantic or Montauk Lines between VALLEY and HALL. You can even add on the fictional ESA numbers and they still don't know what to do with all of that trackage. Also, can LIRR afford giving up track to the subway for an Archer extension? Of course. LIRR is nowhere near track capacity, and a rapid transit operation would bring one-seat rides and much quicker commutes to SE Queens while generating ridership numbers that LIRR couldn't even dream of. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 25 11:47:06 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 03:25:13 2009. there's solutions that work, and work WELL. It's what I do for a living. But you're not going to get it out of Halliburton, General Dynamics or MicrosoftSays the man who would be king. Stop talking and start doing . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 25 11:48:27 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 25 06:14:03 2009. Right, I link to all sorts of articles about it and it's invented in my head. There's a real world outside your tinfoil propaganda world, you know. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 25 11:48:57 2009, in response to Re: Caesareans (was: Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 25 06:07:47 2009. You need a little more absinthe in your egg nog. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 25 11:58:23 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Dec 25 06:12:46 2009.  |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Dec 25 12:39:28 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 24 23:31:15 2009. Yup. Better still Dumont on the West Shore and Cresskill on the Northern. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Dec 25 12:39:55 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 01:36:13 2009. Nah, run a 149th St Subway to LGA!!! |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Dec 25 12:42:02 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 01:20:30 2009. But it's not just rail: it's a general fact that some places are no longer suburban, but urban. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Dec 25 12:42:40 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 00:45:25 2009. Upper level, IINM. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 13:09:24 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 25 11:47:06 2009. It's done, and has been for a couple of months. Been using it for two years now myself. AV industry isn't interested in it because it eliminates the need for a 1980's product they're selling and negates their whole paradigm. Only thing holding it back now is funding to distribute and support it. Came REAL close to that a few months ago but the money dried up on "unproven" (read that as "different") technology. This ain't the 90's anymore.But it's ready today for anyone who wants it ... |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 13:16:31 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 25 10:28:56 2009. Are you sure LIRR can afford to lose that line? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 13:18:56 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 25 10:35:06 2009. I thought you were talking about the lower Montauk. Still, I'd like to see the data that proves what you're talking about |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 13:23:13 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 02:00:52 2009. Forgot to add, cut Astoria el back a certain portion and extend it underground to LGAAlso, Airtrain from Jamaica to LGA |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 25 13:39:55 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 24 20:27:45 2009. My Latin is a bit shaky. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 25 13:40:14 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 13:23:13 2009. How about running the subway on the Airtrain tracks instead? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 25 13:40:29 2009, in response to Caesareans (was: Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Dec 24 20:23:25 2009. I know. I'm just pulling your chain. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 25 13:42:48 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 01:36:13 2009. Don't let it crash into the Marine Air Terminal seaplanes . . . |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Fri Dec 25 15:00:39 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 24 23:45:20 2009. You have your opinion and I have have mine. We know how well they work. They would be a helluva lot more appealing if they'd look aesthically improved. Don't try to stifle my feeling with YOUR slant. Wouldn't it be cooler to operate something that has class, advanced design or even something with a classic influence? Let's face it, MOST people enjoy machines that lok cool. If you don't, ok. I think there are so many different ways to improve the look of those trains. It's a sin that they don't do something. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Fri Dec 25 15:02:02 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by 156n3rd on Fri Dec 25 15:00:39 2009. I do think a complete Second Avenue line, including the Bronx would so very mych appreciated. No 3rd Avenue El and nothing to take it's place is criminal. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Dec 25 15:14:58 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 13:09:24 2009. But it's ready today for anyone who wants it ...So copyright it, buy a domain and some webhosting space, and start selling... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 25 15:26:45 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Dec 25 15:14:58 2009. Took the words right offa my keyboard. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 25 15:30:10 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by 156n3rd on Fri Dec 25 15:00:39 2009. They would be a helluva lot more appealing if they'd look aesthically improvedTo what aesthetic? Maybe my aesthetic says that functional's just fine. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 25 15:31:20 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 13:16:31 2009. He's trainsarefun. Of course he's sure. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 15:33:02 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Dec 25 15:14:58 2009. That's not how it works these days. Support and the business end is what's expensive. Still working on that part ... the operating system is there though but could use a little more "polishing" ... we did the "shareware" trick and went broke trying. This time around, we're waiting until it's "commercial grade" since there's no money in "free." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 25 15:35:58 2009, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 25 13:39:55 2009. So's your record on C/R exams. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 25 15:37:09 2009, in response to Re: Caesareans (was: Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 25 13:40:29 2009. You didn't pull our chain when you claimed you knew you got a perfect score on the C/R exam, and later when you said your list number was not far from that other guy's and was in the 3-digit range. You're a pathetic liar. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Dec 25 15:44:50 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 01:36:13 2009. Better than having to go through crowded Harlem or Flushing. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 25 15:54:54 2009, in response to Caesareans (was: Re: TEAR DOWN THE ASTORIA EL (Was: Future expansion wish list?), posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Dec 24 20:23:25 2009. Many history books refer to Augustus as "Caesar Augustus" and having studied Latin in high school, I was always under the impression that the word "caesar" was the Latin word for a ruler, rather than a family surname and that Julius Caesar was merely the first Roman emperor to use that title and it subsequently was applied to many Roman emperors. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Dec 25 15:55:30 2009, in response to Future expansion wish list?, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Dec 23 13:49:32 2009. Here's what I'd like to see:- T train from Dyre Avenue to Broad Street via Amtrak's Northeast Corridor and 2nd Avenue (yes, the same Broad Street the J and M trains use). - Q train from 125th Street-Broadway to Coney Island via 125th Street, 2nd Avenue and 63rd Street. - F train from 179th Street to Coney Island rerouted onto a double- track Super Express from Continental Avenue to the 63rd Street tunnel. - V train rerouted to Queens Boulevard express tracks and extended to Springfield Boulevard via the Hillside Avenue express tracks. - N train rerouted to 63rd Street tunnel, replacing LIRR service to Port Washington, using hybrid subway/commuter rail trains (similar to Washington's Metrorail cars). Most N trains short-turn at Great Neck due to the single-track line between there and Port Washington. One or two new stations along the existing Port Washington Line to help relieve overcrowding on the 7. - W train running full-time and replacing N service to Ditmars/Astoria. No more crazy switching between Times Square and 34th Streets, which currently delays all Broadway Line service. - 5 train operates between Nereid Avenue and Flatbush Avenue rush hours in both directions. Middays, evenings and weekends, 5 terminates in the Bronx at East 180th Street. - E and W trains extended from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island via new tunnel under New York Harbor. - V train extended to Church Avenue while F runs express between Jay and Church. - 7 train extended to Lower Manhattan via 11th Avenue and West Street. Subway tunnel would have at least three tracks. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Dec 25 15:58:34 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Dec 23 17:36:54 2009. I would like to see a 34 St light rail someday, from river to river.I'd like to see one on a number of crosstown streets as well. The 34th Street Crosstown streetcar would probably be a better bang for buck for connecting those coming from Penn Station or Herald Square to Javitz and the mythical office developments projected for that area. This proposal quickly runs into a branching problem. Despite the ridership of the Q43, I've always felt that a line should be slightly to the North around Jewel Avenue since Hillside is too close to Union Turnpike. I've looked at a new line in the area as a tool to kill off the express buses in an area that's far from the commuter rail equivalents and subway service. I view restoration of the LIRR Rockaway Branch as disfavored. The general theory behind the development in that branch is that it should provide a faster route to MIdtown for Rockaway residents, while providing Midtown service for those in Ozone Park, Woodhaven, Richmond Hill, and southern Rego Park. Mind you, I've viewed turning over the branch to NYCTA to be a complete abortion given that by the time the M-1s arrived, we'd probably have an 80 mph MAS in lieu of NYCTA's "scenic route" to Midtown at 35 to 45 mph. Given the cost of the tunnel, how many years for this move to approach anything like payoff in reduced commuting time? If you view transit as simply a policy tool, and your goal is simply to reduce commuting time regardless of the costs and ridership counts, then yes, but if you demand some degree of efficiency, then it remains to be seen if there's any real payoff in construction a multi-billion dollar tunnel for 485,000 residents. I think this is one of those issues that requires professional studies to what alignments, routings, and schedules lead to the increased ridership away from cars, express buses, normal buses, and the ferry to achieve maximum ridership to justify the tunnel. Otherwise, extend HBLR over the Bayonne Bridge to Staten Island, and consider a bus over to Perth Amboy NJT... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 25 16:01:57 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 13:16:31 2009. Are you sure LIRR can afford to lose that line?The way that I look at it, can we afford not to have LIRR lose that segment? LIRR bleeds money so to try to implement a rapid transit network through them is to do something that first off, the commuter rail system isn't well suited for, and then to overpay handsomely to do it. We have rail in SE Queens - the key is to use it to benefit the people there, to reduce their commuting time substantially, and without picking up the massive subsidy tab that would be required to sustain LIRR operations at short service intervals, while ensuring that LIRR has adequate capacity. Using the peak throughput of both the Atlantic and Montauk Lines, it's clear that LIRR does not need 4 tracks to move that load. That's without even taking into account the LIRR Main Line Third Track project. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 25 16:13:37 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 13:18:56 2009. Still, I'd like to see the data that proves what you're talking aboutTake the most ambitious projection, which is LIRR's plan to maintain current AM peak service at NYP at 36 tph while adding 24 tph of peak service at ESA and making no cutbacks. Make the extremely conservative assumption that Patchogue/Speonk/Montauk trains will run to Jamaica/NYP/HPA/LIC via the Montauk Line. The figure is then 22 tph, of which the diesel trains make up about 18%. Quite doable and then some with two tracks, and if you subtract out the diesel trains on the assumption that they will be sent via Main Line Third Track, then it's 18 tph. If anything, the proposed takeover makes the switching work easier by ruling out several sets of conflicting moves. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 25 16:39:04 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 25 13:18:56 2009. I thought you were talking about the lower Montauk.Not for the SE Queens expansion, no. However, in another post, I did propose the following: NYCT takeover of a segment of the LIRR Montauk Line roughly between 121 St and the NYCT Myrtle Av Branch ROW; and NYCT takeover of the LIRR Atlantic Line west of Jamaica; and Elimination of the present NYCT el between Broadway Jct and 121 St. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Fri Dec 25 16:57:20 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 25 15:30:10 2009. What is your problem dood? You're disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing? Who cares? I think the rolling stock is a bore. If you don't get it or see it, just pay no mind. I don't really care what you think unless you have a valid argument. You don't. Look at all the system around the world listed right on this website. Again, if you don't get, move on already. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Fri Dec 25 16:58:59 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by 156n3rd on Fri Dec 25 16:57:20 2009. Expansion: Third Avenue right up the Bronx. woowoo |
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