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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Dec 12 10:05:00 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 08:57:59 2007.

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>>>discresion<<<<

Wha' happened spellcheck broken? HAHA

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 12 10:07:51 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 09:52:04 2007.

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Heh. Someday, I'll give monorail or heypaul a run for their money. :)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by south brooklyn railway on Wed Dec 12 10:08:21 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 12 10:07:51 2007.

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I'm sure monorail would love it.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 10:15:08 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Alex L. on Wed Dec 12 09:53:55 2007.

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No thanks i dont need to be writing any More G-2's any time soon..

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Re: Learning how to respect other SubChatters

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Dec 12 10:22:58 2007, in response to Re: Learning how to respect other SubChatters, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 11 16:40:51 2007.

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There is good evidence to show that an 18-year old's brain, on average, is affected much more by alcohol than a 21 year old's brain.

If this evidence exists anywhere outside your twisted fantasies, someone clearly forgot to tell all these countries.

However, I suspect that your evidence is really along the lines of "I can prove my Puritan God exists". Go and buy a passport and a case of beer, and start looking at wikitravel.com

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 12 10:29:39 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 12 04:20:36 2007.

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I have a permit from BNSF to photograph trains in public from non-railroad property. You think they ran my name through the federal wringer. NOT.

ROAR

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 12 10:38:17 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 08:38:18 2007.

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Photography is permitted.

Reporting Suspicious Behaviour is required.

Photography is and/or can be suspicious.
Ergo: It must be reported.

They cannot *stop* you from taking pictures.
All they can do is *report* you for doing so.

They would be *major-stoopit* to confront you, after all, if you were a terrorist and not just a terror, then they could get blown up. Being blown up is not good for your job security, your health, or your family.
Being written up for NOT reporting these things is likewise not good.

It requires a POLICE OFFICER to question, detain or restrain me from taking pictures. That same police officer can clear you from suspicion if he or she knows what he is about. Few do, or so it might seem.

The P/O should take your information, make a record of it. Perhaps call it in to see if there are any wants or warrants out against you, and then, if finding none, should wish you a good day, and enjoy taking pictures in New York.

ROAR


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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:27:26 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 12 10:38:17 2007.

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Photography in and of itself is not suspicious. There has to be something else along with it to make it suspicious. And that something else is usually something that would be just as suspicious even if photography wasn't involved.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:29:53 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 08:38:18 2007.

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If Video Taping on a Moving train is "Allowed" under the MTA rules, then why is it deemed "suspicous" by homeland security?

Because they are stupid.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:45:49 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 08:29:02 2007.

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I may have missed that since it seems everyone is stating that she did the right thing, either overall or as per the bulletin.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:55:09 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 12 10:29:39 2007.

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I have a permit from BNSF to photograph trains in public from non-railroad property.

If you have what I think you have, then no, you don't. You have a card identifying you as a member of a program run by BNSF that involves citizens looking for and reporting suspicious activity. It has nothing to do with permitting you to photograph. In fact, you don't need a permit to take photographs of BNSF trains from public non-railroad property.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Brighton Private on Wed Dec 12 12:55:41 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:27:26 2007.

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Correct. There are lots of things that are legal but, in context, may be legitimately considered suspicious.

The point that needs to be made over and over is that photography, in and of itself, isn't one of them.

In particular, photography from outside the system (which was the case in the companion thread about the NYCLU case) is even less likely to be legimitately considered suspicious because (1) distances from any potential "target" are greater, (2) the images are already all within public view and can just as readily be viewed on GoogleEarth or similar places, and (3) no element of "trespass" or "loitering" is involved.

Now -- and don't all have a stroke about this -- there are elements to railfan photography that distinguish it from, say, casual tourist photography that MIGHT legitimately lead a cop or MTA employee to ask a couple of questions: in particular its intensive and repetitive nature and its frequent focus on infrastructure and technology (such as signaling). But AT MOST that justifies a couple of polite questions from the authorities -- who by this time know damned well what railfans are and what they do. It NEVER justifies disrespect, attitude, threats, confiscation, handcuffing, and knowingly false assertions that photography is illegal.

(PS -- I realize that if the photographer were a "real" terrorist the cop isn't likely to get honest answers to any questions and that the whole police exercise is probably pointless. I'm only trying to outline the legal contours here, not opine on effective police investigative techniques.)


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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 12 13:02:20 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:55:09 2007.

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I have one of those cards too - that and $4 gets me a latte at starbucks ;-)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 12 13:05:19 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Brighton Private on Wed Dec 12 12:55:41 2007.

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I think they are placing too much of an emphasis on photography. Billy the Kid and Bonny and Clyde did not require photographs to "case" the banks they robbed.... Good eyesight and a good memory is all a potential terrorist really needs!

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 13:11:31 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Brighton Private on Wed Dec 12 12:55:41 2007.

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Now -- and don't all have a stroke about this -- there are elements to railfan photography that distinguish it from, say, casual tourist photography that MIGHT legitimately lead a cop or MTA employee to ask a couple of questions: in particular its intensive and repetitive nature and its frequent focus on infrastructure and technology (such as signaling). But AT MOST that justifies a couple of polite questions from the authorities -- who by this time know damned well what railfans are and what they do. It NEVER justifies disrespect, attitude, threats, confiscation, handcuffing, and knowingly false assertions that photography is illegal.

I totally agree. But a smart terrorist wouldn't fall into the trap of allowing his photography to be seen as "intensive and repetitive with a frequent focus on infrastructure and technology". He use a hidden camera and take his shots quickly and without raising suspicion. He does not want to get questioned (thereby having to say, fake being a railfan), as that is just one step closer to being found out. So the only people who are going to get caught doing photography seen as "intensive and repetitive with a frequent focus on infrastructure and technology" are railfans!

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 13:13:40 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 12 13:05:19 2007.

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Right, the whole photography thing is playing on people's fears - making them think that the authorities know what to look for to spot suspicious activity.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Dec 12 13:34:12 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:29:53 2007.

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No argument here.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Brighton Private on Wed Dec 12 14:11:13 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 13:13:40 2007.

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I agree. And it makes the authorities feel like they are doing something, even if it's totally pointless.

But while that explains the aggressive questioning, it doesn't explain the transparently false assertions that photography is illegal. Some of that is just plain abuse of power.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Brighton Private on Wed Dec 12 14:12:54 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 13:11:31 2007.

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Exactly.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Brighton Private on Wed Dec 12 14:17:20 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:55:09 2007.

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It's disturbing that someone could even think that BNSF (or anyone else) has the right to decide who can and who cannot take pictures from public property.



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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 12 14:35:01 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:27:26 2007.

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What you say is true, but not that true.

The Bulletin specifically names photography as possibly suspicious and can be reported as such.

As Kevin said, some beakie may be watching or perhaps foaming with a camera to see what the T/O might or might not dew.

LION wants to buy a STUFFED ZEBRA and suspend him from the conductor's board, and then watch the C/R's reactions.

ROARING

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 12 14:38:00 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:29:53 2007.

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Because *someone* has to drum up Adult Diaper sales.

ROARING

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 14:45:33 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:29:53 2007.

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LOL ..

I didnt say that you did heh heh heh...

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Dec 12 14:46:36 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 10:15:08 2007.

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Yea, since you write them all the time...

:)

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 12 14:54:34 2007, in response to Called A "Terrorist" By A T/O, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 9 00:42:46 2007.

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You should all look at the comments on this page regarding photographer harassment in the subway. It isn't just Nilet - and it isn't just railfans:

Click here

Todd Maisel writes:
We have repeatedly asked the NYPD to include in their patrol guide the rules and regulations regarding photography in public. They have thus far not commented back and have done nothing. They insist that their officers know the rules. This is not so. We have incidents in which photographers have been harassed by police with this latest incident being the worst. We’ve had at least one news photographer, Keith Bedford, threatened with arrest for taking photos in subway. He and others have relented rather than face arrest.
The NYPD continues to insist that their officers know the rules.


Jason Cina writes:
I carry copies of the official MTA rules permitting photos in all public spaces (just no lights, reflectors or tripods) printed off their website cause I am often stopped and harassed; not always by police cause Im white but more so by motormen, conductors and other passengers thinking they are “seeing something”.

NYPD is pissing off photographers in general!!!


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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 12 15:06:53 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 12 08:35:18 2007.

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LION does not know about *MTA* issuing photo permits. They already have enough on their plate. LION thinks that the TRANSIT MUSEUM should *offer* such cards to their members, Photo ID cards, and let *them* make money on their issuance.



On the reverse are instructions to the photographer, and a notice to police and employees that photography is permitted and and this individual has his information on file with the Museum.

ROAR

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 12 15:15:48 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 12:55:09 2007.

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Correct. But it is something you can show to an employee and or an officer whilst you are exercising your rights to photograph from a public place.

ROAR

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 15:25:10 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 12 15:15:48 2007.

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I don't see the point.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Dec 12 15:29:01 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by South Ferry on Sun Dec 9 15:36:56 2007.

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I'd probally tell him to go piss up a rope get back to operating the train,and stop acting like you know what the rules are, and if you call me a terrorist again I'll sue you. Karl M

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 12 16:19:38 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Dec 12 15:29:01 2007.

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You da man, Karl, nobody messin wit you!

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 12 16:22:57 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Dec 12 15:29:01 2007.

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What about pressing charges for attempting to incite a riot against me?

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Brighton Private on Wed Dec 12 16:25:43 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 12 08:35:18 2007.

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This is one of those ideas that sounds good for about the first 10 seconds. Then you consider:

1. If the MTA is going to issue these permits, what kind of background check would you be authorizing? How far would the MTA go before it felt comfortable saying you are OK? Do you really think citizens should be expected to waive their privacy rights so that the government can, in effect, give you a security clearance just so you won't be hassled for exercising your First Amendment rights?

2. If photography were really a threat, and if the card would give would-be terrorists a way to avoid police hassles, wouldn't terrorists want one? Wouldn't that force the MTA to do a really intrusive background check? If they didn't do a full background check, of what value would issuing the permit be to the authorities?

3. If having a card means you're presumptively ok, would not having a card mean you're presumptively not ok? Would someone without a card automatically be suspect and be routinely hassled, or worse?

4. The courts have emphatically said that the First Amendment prohibits the government from setting up a licensing program for journalists (see Lowe v. SEC, 472 U.S. 181 (1985)). The principle is that once a constitutional right is subjected to a government approval process, it is no "right" at all. What you're proposing doesn't go that far, I realize, because theoretically those without cards would still be allowed to photograph, but it gets way too close for me.

Why should we voluntarily surrender or place limits on important rights just because the authorities are hassling us? I think it's a really bad idea.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 12 16:29:24 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 15:25:10 2007.

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You don't see much at all.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 12 18:49:38 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 12 16:22:57 2007.

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How about charging you with being stupid?

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 12 18:58:52 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 11 12:34:10 2007.

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Yeahbut he works for them, so it's like any job where you concede some things and go to the wall for others. We don't work for them so we can do what we want and tell them to stick it in cases like this.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 19:07:59 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Tue Dec 11 18:59:47 2007.

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When I was in NYC with my friend that takes a lot of videos,he was filming the departure of a subway train from the platform. He turned to follow the trains journey into the tunnel. That's when the cops hassled him. So That makes sense, Railman, what you just said.

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by danny at 103rd street on Wed Dec 12 19:19:23 2007, in response to Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 9 20:08:24 2007.

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Are u going to post the video?

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Lord Vader on Wed Dec 12 19:40:20 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 12 02:50:09 2007.

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EXCELLENT Selkirk, EXCELLENT!

Lord Vader

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 19:54:03 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 19:07:59 2007.

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To some it dont..

This is just how things are these days..

Sometimes a bit of "hey everything ok?" by a cop can make things easier than just hassling people..

Me if i see something "out of place" im reporting it...

Like somebody video Taping a Train Yard, the entrances and exits and the equipment stored there, thats out of place but im not going to say anything to that person.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 12 20:07:51 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 12 02:50:09 2007.

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The original thought was not that terrorists would be photographing or videotaping - but that they might be able to exploit the photos or videos taken by buffs for their own purposes. Whether you agree with this or not is now a moot point. For whatever reason, it seems that if the story told by nilet was true (and I still doubt it in its' entirety) his activities may have been distracting to the train operator. As such, he should have been compelled to cease those activities. Interfering with the operation of a public conveyance is against the law. One does not need more than the usual distractions when he or she is operating a train - as you well know. I think nilet, for all his bluster, has simply shown why most RR professionals do not look kindly upon the foamer. The fack that Windbag Whineburg agrees with him only serves to prove my point.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Dec 12 20:12:28 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 12 20:07:51 2007.

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However, if the employee refuses to then move the train, in spite of orders, the employee could then be thrown "under the train", so to speak, because the T/O isn't allowed to take matters into his/her hands. A strict interpretation of the rules would say the T/O is at fault.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 20:16:09 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Dec 12 20:12:28 2007.

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However, if the employee refuses to then move the train, in spite of orders, the employee could then be thrown "under the train", so to speak, because the T/O isn't allowed to take matters into his/her hands. A strict interpretation of the rules would say the T/O is at fault.

All you got to do is use THIS on the radio and that point is moot..

"Control i feel that it may be UNSAFE to continue my operation until a TSS arrives"

End of story, once those words are used all bets are off and your butt is covered.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Dec 12 20:17:38 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 20:16:09 2007.

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Well...you know that the radio will be investigated in such a situation to see if those words, or similar, were radioed in. If not...

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 20:19:04 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Dec 12 20:17:38 2007.

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You say it on the Radio thats it..

They can go "to the audio tape" all they want..

You say it Three times to MAKE sure that transmission gets through so what if they dont respond but trust me they will..

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 20:34:42 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Brighton Private on Wed Dec 12 16:25:43 2007.

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Exactly.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 12 20:48:09 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 12 18:49:38 2007.

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IAWTP.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 12 20:57:48 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 12 20:07:51 2007.

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Holding up a camcorder while standing on a platform and then getting on a train is distracting to the T/O? If she's that easily distracted, she shouldn't be a T/O.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 21:06:42 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 12 20:57:48 2007.

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Holding up a camcorder while standing on a platform and then getting on a train is distracting to the T/O? If she's that easily distracted, she shouldn't be a T/O.

Depends on WHERE the person is standing..

Nothing personal but how would you react?

Think about it easy to say this when you dont do the job..

You can get distracted for only a SECOND thats all it takes down here..

You think its easy to come flying into a station with kids playing "chicken" on the platfrom?

Or how about using a laser light to point right at you as you are making a station stop?

Think that can "easily" distract you?

We can have our focus on the proper stop marker but you have to "notice" the persons in your area as well when you are stopping that train..

I didnt say "look" at them, but you do notice them..


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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 12 21:35:32 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 21:06:42 2007.

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Depends on WHERE the person is standing..

Just beyond the stop marker, holding up the camcorder after the train is already stopped.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 12 21:35:35 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 12 21:06:42 2007.

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Depends on WHERE the person is standing..

Just beyond the stop marker, holding up the camcorder after the train is already stopped.

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