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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by monorail on Mon Dec 10 15:59:27 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 10 11:02:33 2007.

what???????


thought you left..........

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by monorail on Mon Dec 10 16:00:23 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Dec 10 14:50:18 2007.

how about we call you a former foamer, foamer?

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Lord Vader on Mon Dec 10 16:09:28 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 9 22:08:19 2007.

Nilet,next time if this happens again, request to speak to a TSS and/or the Line Supt if a t/o or c/r gives you grief again. If they continue with the pic taking BS, give the MTA Inspector General a call and let them handle it from there. Enough is enough yound lad and it's time to nip this in the budd.

Vader

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 10 16:14:36 2007, in response to Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 9 20:08:24 2007.

While I'm not excusing the T/O at all (he was clearly wrong), I suggest to you that you could be more diplomatic. Your transcript provided an important clue to the T/O's state of mind:

The T/O told you, in effect, that what was REALLY going on was he got nervous about your filming him. Fine. espect that. What you could have said is this:

"I apologize for making you feel uncomfortable. I will make sure not to film you at all today. I will not aim my camera at your cab at all. TA policy notwithstanding, I know you need a little space to operate your train and I'm OK with that."

It is likely that this approach would have defused the T/O and prevented a situation where other passengers got irate with you. Maybe you would not have gotten all the scenes you wanted (in that case, get off, wait for another train and try again). But you would have gotten some of the footage.

Diplomacy and common sense will get you far.



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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 10 16:45:24 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Dec 10 14:05:42 2007.

Haha, calling Efrem Zimbalist Jr as we speak, Lou.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 10 17:02:02 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by monorail on Mon Dec 10 15:59:27 2007.

Can't keep a good guy down.

ROAR

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Nilet on Mon Dec 10 17:16:20 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Lord Vader on Mon Dec 10 16:09:28 2007.

In the budd? Too late for that. I'll try to nip it in the bombardier.

So, call a TSS next time? Oooohhhhh.

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Lord Vader on Mon Dec 10 17:27:04 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Nilet on Mon Dec 10 17:16:20 2007.

Yup. Start small and work your way up.

Vader

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Alex L. on Mon Dec 10 18:08:39 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 9 08:14:02 2007.

Fah! Even when you had intervals and knew what I looked like, you still posted a pic and claimed that it was ruined by an R68 with me in the cab. 8-)

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 10 18:10:49 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Alex L. on Mon Dec 10 18:08:39 2007.

LOL, I think you took exception to us calling the R68 a 'dog', too :D

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 10 21:35:45 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 9 23:56:37 2007.

If this actually occurred, then there would be an official record of it. If you allege that this happened Saturday or Sunday - hmmmmmmmmm!

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 10 21:37:30 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Easy on Mon Dec 10 00:11:25 2007.

There are a few Walter Mitty types here -

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Nilet on Mon Dec 10 21:37:45 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 10 21:35:45 2007.

Why a large "hmmmmm" for Saturday or Sunday?

BTW, it was Friday.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Easy on Mon Dec 10 21:53:52 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 10 21:37:30 2007.

???

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 10 22:26:20 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Nilet on Mon Dec 10 21:37:45 2007.

One sure way to verify it. Give me the line. By e-mail if you wish

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 10 22:28:51 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Easy on Mon Dec 10 21:53:52 2007.

Why the ????? There's at least one poster here wo's claimed to have done everything short of building a nuclear reactor on his estate.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Dec 10 22:32:03 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Easy on Mon Dec 10 21:53:52 2007.

A Walter Mitty type of person has a far more interesting fantasy life than what actually occurs in their real life; Walter Mitty types tend to confuse their fantasy life - sometimes fantasy lives (plural), as was the case for Thurber's original Walter Mitty - with their real lives, e.g., Walter Mitty is driving 93 mph in a 30 mph zone in his 1982 Ford Escort station wagon (assume for purposes of this example that the vehicle in question could actually go that fast, perhaps with the assist of a healthy downgrade) thinking that's he a spy being chased by the men in black, when in fact, Walter Mitty is just driving with his wife to play bingo at the senior center.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Easy on Mon Dec 10 22:40:05 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 10 22:28:51 2007.

And yet he can't seem to get the hang of html...

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Easy on Mon Dec 10 22:44:11 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Dec 10 22:32:03 2007.

The only people I know that are kinda like that will embelish their stories so often that even they start to believe it. But that's not quite the same as I'm sure that when they actually were in high school that they knew that they couldn't really deadlift 300 pounds. That's only how they remember it now.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 10 22:49:54 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Easy on Mon Dec 10 22:40:05 2007.

While it doesn't suprise me, I think you are thinking of the wrong person. BTW: There is no mystery to HTML. I view it the same way as I view the debate over leaving the toilet seat up or down. One can either go through the trouble of creating the link or provide the URL and let anyone who wants to view it copy and paste it. You perfer that someone else do the work for you much like you perfer that the seat be left down (so when you are drinking the seat doesn't fall and hit you in the head, I presume :) )

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Easy on Mon Dec 10 23:30:35 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 10 22:49:54 2007.

I'm pretty sure that I know who you mean. My reference must have been too obscure.

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Dec 10 23:38:39 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Dec 9 23:18:32 2007.

Yup. I myself would have said "screw this shit" & gotten out of there once I knew she was having a baby over the filming thing.


However, what happened is what happened.

Jimmymc25

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him

Posted by South Ferry on Tue Dec 11 01:00:04 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 10 16:14:36 2007.

What sense does getting off and waiting for another train make.... if the first-opposing T/O can radio out his description to all other T/O's following on the route??


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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 11 01:02:24 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him, posted by South Ferry on Tue Dec 11 01:00:04 2007.

Because if you're diplomatic with him, he might not get on the radio. Understand his sotuation, he'll be more likely to be cool with yours.

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by South Ferry on Tue Dec 11 01:02:38 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Lord Vader on Mon Dec 10 17:27:04 2007.

'cept TSS monorail can't come to his rescue!

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by South Ferry on Tue Dec 11 01:07:46 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by error46146 on Sun Dec 9 17:08:54 2007.

dats the same as nothing.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Nilet on Tue Dec 11 01:13:55 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 10 16:14:36 2007.


The T/O told you, in effect, that what was REALLY going on was he got nervous about your filming him.

No, she added "...of me" while I was talking after stating that I couldn't take pics, that she wouldn't move the train, and after she'd gotten out of the cab and was out in the car and the doorway reporting me on the radio.

Also, keep in mind that the beginning of the encounter is cut off; I didn't start recording the encounter until I realized it had been escalated and I might need the footage for my own records. It started very clearly with "You can't take photos," along with something along the lines of "He was filming the tracks. That's something terrorists do."

If this were really about her not wanting me to take pictures of her, she could have said that at the beginning, and I'd have agreed not to take pics of her.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him

Posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 11 01:30:58 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 10 16:14:36 2007.

From what I understand he was attempting to take pictures through the front railfan window, NOT through a motorman's cab. The

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 11 01:36:36 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by Nilet on Tue Dec 11 01:13:55 2007.

"No, she added "...of me" while I was talking after stating that I couldn't take pics, that she wouldn't move the train, and after she'd gotten out of the cab and was out in the car and the doorway reporting me on the radio."

Dude, you're nitpicking to defend yourself. From your reaction and hers, it was clear she was pissed about something, and that she told her "of me" later in the conversation just means she didn't articulate it well.

Your first reaction when she came out of the cab upset should have been to put the camera away and talk to her non-defensively. Be relaxed, apologize, kiss a little ass, be solicitous and charming and nice. Getting off the train and waiting for another is an option too. What you have to remember is if she's upset, the passegers' safety can be at issue, since she drives that 100 ton monster down the tracks, not you.

You might also look at it this way: How many times have you seen that scenery? How many times have you filmed it, or something like it? If you don't get to film it today, the world isn't going to end. You could even find something else to do, like something that has nothing to do with trains. Then come back tomorrow.

I'm not saying she was right. I'm saying you had options that can work better, but you're not practiced at using them.

Do you know what a lifecoach is? Maybe you could use one...


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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 11 01:38:33 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him, posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 11 01:30:58 2007.

Agreed. But something set off the T/O, and we don't know what it was. As I pointed out to Nilet, if he doesn't get to film exactly what he wants today, RIGHT NOW, it isn't the end of the world.



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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Dec 11 02:37:05 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Lord Vader on Mon Dec 10 16:09:28 2007.

Thats a good one because the TSS tells us to report anyone taken pictures or video to control and let a Police check to see if your a buff or terrorist. The New Terrorism training also tells us to notify police.
So from all the terrorism classes and critiques I believe the T/O is in the clear and followed proper proceedure. If the TA was to take action against the T/O they be going against thier own policy See Something Say Something.


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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Nilet on Tue Dec 11 03:01:12 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 11 01:36:36 2007.


"No, she added "...of me" while I was talking after stating that I couldn't take pics, that she wouldn't move the train, and after she'd gotten out of the cab and was out in the car and the doorway reporting me on the radio."

Dude, you're nitpicking to defend yourself.


Oh? You were there? You saw what happened and can verify that I'm "nitpicking?"

From your reaction and hers, it was clear she was pissed about something...

Oh, sure, she seemed pretty upset about something. I think that's pretty obvious. The question is about whether or not she acted improperly. If she was pissed that I was about to take pics or vid through the railfan window, then that's her problem but I have every right to do it. If she's pissed that I took pictures of her, then she's mistaken, since I didn't.

...and that she told her "of me" later in the conversation just means she didn't articulate it well.

Didn't articulate it well? Articulated it pretty damn poorly, I'd say! She said: "He's taking pictures of the tracks. That's something terrorists do," and told passengers that "rules and regulations" require her to wait for the cops. When I argued the point, she stated twice: "You can't take a picture," then added "...of me," once, briefly, after I gave her a copy of 1050.9(c). How, exactly, can you justify the claim that one briefly mentioned thing was actually the "poorly articulated" cause of the entire encounter?

Once again, I'd just like to remind you that I was there, and you have pretty much nothing but a rough transcript of the footage of the incident, which starts well after the start of the encounter.

Your first reaction when she came out of the cab upset should have been to put the camera away and talk to her non-defensively.

She came out of the cab and said photography was not allowed. I said that it was. She proceeded to call over the radio, where everyone could hear, and insinuate that I was a "terrorist." Any suggestions for what I "should" have done that don't involve me being inconvenienced or giving up my right to take pictures?

Be relaxed, apologize, kiss a little ass, be solicitous and charming and nice.

I was as relaxed as I get, I had nothing to apologize for, and there's no way that I'm going to kiss any ass to be "allowed" to do something I have every right to do. "Charming" and "nice" are generally in short supply when I can only speak to someone for a couple seconds before she declares I'm a terrorist over the radio and in front of lots of people.

Getting off the train and waiting for another is an option too.

In theory, yes. Getting off, however, is an option that delays me, reinforces the T/O's belief that photography is illegal, reinforces the passengers' beliefs that photography is "suspicious" and should be reported, and may not help at all, since the T/O may very well have described me as a "terrorist" anyway.

What you have to remember is if she's upset, the passegers' safety can be at issue, since she drives that 100 ton monster down the tracks, not you.

If my taking videos, an activity which is specifically authorized by the law, makes her so upset that she can't operate safely, then she should not be a T/O. No one should be a T/O if the mere existence of railfans on their train causes them to operate unsafely.

You might also look at it this way: How many times have you seen that scenery?

Can't recall.

How many times have you filmed it, or something like it?

Zero.

If you don't get to film it today, the world isn't going to end.

No, but I'd have to go out of my way some other time, and this is well out of my way. There are probably quite a few things you really want to do which are out of your way, and if you were prevented from doing them when it was convenient, you wouldn't like it very much.

You could even find something else to do, like something that has nothing to do with trains. Then come back tomorrow.

I was out railfanning some distance from home, in a neighborhood through which I've never walked. Doing "something that has nothing to do with trains" and then "coming back tomorrow" would have entailed a long trip home or back to familiar territory (the means of my travel being uncertain, given her order to leave the train), followed by a long trip back the next day. Which was a Saturday. And the only reason to stop doing it then was because someone was illegally coercing me. If this happened to you, I'm sure you'd be less than happy to follow your own advice.

I'm not saying she was right.

No, but you're apparently saying that I should have acted on the assumption that she was.

I'm saying you had options that can work better, but you're not practiced at using them.

You haven't suggested any options that work better. You've suggested options that range from causing me inconvenience to demanding that I spend several hours on a Saturday doing something I had every right to do right there, all while causing further annoyance to all railfans in the future by implying, through my actions, that photography is illegal, suspicious, and/or "something that terrorists do." If I suggest that you get your drinking water from a well, your refusal to do as such is likely not because you're "not practiced at using" that method of getting water.

Do you know what a lifecoach is?

Yep. It's bullshit! Unfortunately, that Penn and Teller episode seems to have been pulled from YouTube, though, so I can't link to it. Maybe I should put it back up and then hand you a link.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Dec 11 03:14:03 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by Nilet on Tue Dec 11 03:01:12 2007.

Oh? You were there? You saw what happened and can verify that I'm "nitpicking?"

Ron is omniscient. Didn't you know that?

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Nilet on Tue Dec 11 03:41:41 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Dec 11 03:14:03 2007.

No. When threads turn into flamewars, I put them on mental killfile. I must have missed the news.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Dec 11 05:08:48 2007, in response to Called A "Terrorist" By A T/O, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 9 00:42:46 2007.

Get a life.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by R30A on Tue Dec 11 05:18:46 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Dec 10 14:50:18 2007.

That is what trolls do, Flame!


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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 05:39:02 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Dec 11 02:37:05 2007.

Ah, CYA security like from the article Jersey Mike posted.

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 11 05:52:53 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Dec 10 23:38:39 2007.

running away is something a terrorist might do. if you aren't doing anything wrong, there's no reason to run away.

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Re: Learning how to respect other SubChatters

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 11 05:58:11 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by Nilet on Tue Dec 11 03:41:41 2007.

Here's a tip - don't reply to any of Ron's posts. If everyone did that, he'd go away. We don't need his lack of respect here. It's quite obvious what happened with you on that train. The fact that Ron makes up his own version of events is too funny, but very sad. Of course it is followed by him disrespecting you. It's not worth it.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 11 05:58:58 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by Nilet on Tue Dec 11 03:01:12 2007.

Your big long response didn't change his mind one bit. He's making you waste your time.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 11 06:00:15 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 10 17:02:02 2007.

He's not a good guy.

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Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 11 06:02:35 2007, in response to Re: Reviewing The Footage (Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Dec 11 02:37:05 2007.

I don't see how in the world the T/O followed procedure. She violated rule #1 right off the bat - "don't confront the suspect".

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him

Posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 11 10:00:25 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 11 01:38:33 2007.

What appears to have set off the train operator was the very fact that he was photographing. Its not like he was filming through one of the new cabs and distracting her. If she simply closed her cab door and operated the train like she should be doing there would have been no problem. It does appear that she has an issue with photography and that needs to be addressed.

Waiting for the another day may or may not be an option. What if you took a day off to photograph the system and were told you could not do it? You may have to take another day off this time with no pay if you have plans for the rest of your vacation time. That just cost you a days pay!!!

Waiting for the next train - perhaps - and depends on the line. What if there is only one Railfan Window trainset operating? The next suitable train may be 2 hours away....

There are too many anecdotal incidents of railfans being told by employees and cops that they cannot photograph in the system. I am sure that while MTA officials may not be directing them to say those things, they are nevertheless by their lack of action tacitly approving them.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 11 10:31:21 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by Nilet on Tue Dec 11 03:01:12 2007.

"Once again, I'd just like to remind you that I was there, and you have pretty much nothing but a rough transcript of the footage of the incident"

Oh, I have plenty, dude. There's more than enough there, and in this post, to tell me you have very little in the way of social skills.

I'm not saying she was right. In fact she was wrong.

I'm saying you phucked up the encounter, which is a different thing entirely. A life coach or behavioral coach would be vey helpful for you.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by R30A on Tue Dec 11 10:41:15 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 11 10:31:21 2007.

Follow your own advice!
Nilet, while he may be a bit awkward at times, is miles ahead of you socially and logically!

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 11 10:44:02 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Easy on Mon Dec 10 22:44:11 2007.

I *know* I NEVER climbed that stoopit rope to the ceiling of the Gym.
I sat on the floor, put my hands on the rope, but made no effort to try to pull myself up even an inch.

In fact, many years later I *did* make it to the ceiling, but I was at that time employed as a custodian at the school, and was using a tall ladder to replace some light bulbs.

Oh well, now a days it is a sheer fantasy to have a fantasy.

ROAR

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 11 10:50:08 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 10 22:49:54 2007.

Look, you cannot win with toilet seats.

If you leave it up, the women will complain.
If you pee on it, the women will complain.

ROAR

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 11 11:10:01 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by R30A on Tue Dec 11 10:41:15 2007.

Shutup Lincoln. You could use some help yourself. Unfortunately, there are a bunch of you who could use a little growing up and I'm sorry there's no one there to help you. You're doomed to be 18 going on 15...

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 11 11:25:24 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film him, posted by BMTLines on Tue Dec 11 10:00:25 2007.

"It does appear that she has an issue with photography and that needs to be addressed."

Sure. But that was not the time or place to address it.

"Waiting for the another day may or may not be an option."

That's just plain stupid. Of course it's optional. What if your battery goes dead and you forgot to bring spares? What if you planned a vacation day to go skiing and there wasn't enough snow?

Stuff happens. You make a note to yourself to come back some other time.

"What if there is only one Railfan Window trainset operating?"

Then you're SOL that day. You'll live to tell about it.

"There are too many anecdotal incidents of railfans being told by employees and cops that they cannot photograph in the system. I am sure that while MTA officials may not be directing them to say those things, they are nevertheless by their lack of action tacitly approving them."

That calls for a group of railfans to get together to hire a lsawyer, not for "Nilet" to fight with the T/O.







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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by railbus63 on Tue Dec 11 11:34:29 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 9 19:07:16 2007.

A file? Without ever breaking a law?

Police file incident reports even if no one is charged with a crime - if they repeatedly have to respond to incidents you are involved in, the possibility exists that a file will be started.

Also, I strongly doubt I'd ever work in NYCT. :(

Many other jobs require background checks.

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