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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Easy on Thu Dec 13 00:50:20 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 00:30:09 2007.

I noticed that many people in Manhattan walk looking at the ground. It made them look scared and look like marks for criminals.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 00:50:26 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by trainsarefun on Thu Dec 13 00:35:49 2007.

OK then, assuming arguendo that your bulletin was promulgated to all concerned, read, and understood (a big assumption as even people who send a memo out to 25 people know....):

You don't have to assume that. It's possible that some people haven't read it. But eventually everyone will have been cycled through the "anti-terrorism" training course where I believe they are told the same thing: contact control (or a police officer, supervisor, etc).

In the case of Nilet, isn't that what the engineer did? Arguably with some confrontation, though, on his (revised) account of it.

It's the other stuff she did along with it that was wrong.

Less specifically, do you know what instructions train crews were given by their supervisors orally, or what the NYPD tells its officers? Institutional culture can be very complicated, and very tough to overcome.

No idea. But is ignorance an excuse? It's not for us. The rules of the system are posted on the MTA website. The employees should certainly be aware of them. I've never heard any employee say that they were told they could get in trouble if they didn't confront the photographer. All the employee can get in trouble for is not following the bulletin, which says they must contact Control.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 13 00:51:08 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Dec 13 00:29:26 2007.


Ron, there are a couple of things that really piss me off, and blaming the victim is one of them.

If you ever suffer a completely unprovoked attack (with the closest thing to a provocation being a brief glance at someone you have reason to believe is a threat), then you will understand. Until then, your antisocial behavior is unwanted and uncalled for. Maybe some day, you'll be mature enough to understand.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 00:54:04 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by trainsarefun on Thu Dec 13 00:39:25 2007.

And what does vouching do? You guarantee based on the same information available to anyone else that Nilet should not be doubted, and one should be satisfied by this?

No, not guarantee, just let you know that I know him and have seen no reason to doubt him.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 00:54:09 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 00:29:38 2007.

Hey i can understand that as well.

Thats not the case with me...

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Dec 13 00:54:39 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 13 00:31:43 2007.

The fact is that if the police feel that some conduct poses a threat to public safety, they have the absolute right to stop it.

So long as we're clear on "conduct" and "feel", this is fine. The government has broad powers, but not powers without end, i.e., they get to restrict the "time, place, and manner" of photography, in this case. A restriction is required to be reasonable, and so long as this is what the feeling is about - that the restriction is, in fact, reasonable - then they can take measures to enforce such restriction, including, if required, by enforcement through appropriate sanction, even.

Back to "conduct", well, conduct tends to not always be as protected as expression, especially so-called core expression, e.g., calling a politician a "war criminal" or "unpatriotic". Photography is a lot of conduct, so it's not protected to the extent, usually, that core expression is. That said, NYCT has regulations which do accord a right to take pictures that's limited by time, place, and manner. So the question is always going to be in the case of complaint that the police went too far, whether the limit placed was a "reasonable" one. Something that poses a threat to public safety would likely qualify as being subject to a reasonable restriction.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 00:57:56 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 00:25:31 2007.

Show me something that he is wrong or it can be "disputed" Terrapin..

Thats all i ask brother..



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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 00:58:14 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by Easy on Thu Dec 13 00:50:20 2007.

I'm just saying, my gosh, all my stinkin' life, that's one of the "rules" that I follow. Yet I feel free to walk down any street or ride any bus or train in America. It's all in da `tude dude. As a guy, as all guys learn (and it's something most girls don't), you learn early that you can't take on the world, down at street level. You don't go staring at other dudes. You don't get in peoples' way. When you're a kid, failure to learn this gets ya a butt whuppin at some point or another. And it's a good, cheap, easy-to-understand lesson.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 13 01:00:12 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 13 00:30:06 2007.

The bottom line is there is no constitutionally protected right to unrestricted photography. If you think I'm wrong, try to film in a jail, or a court house, or a municipal hospital or in a nuclear power plant, etc.

The major difference is that none of these places have a rule like 1050.9c which expressly allows photography.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:00:36 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 00:54:09 2007.

it's not the case with you? but you were discussing alternate scenarios without any disclaimer that in his story, as presented, he did nothing wrong and the T/O did everything wrong.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Dec 13 01:03:05 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 13 01:00:12 2007.

The major difference is that none of these places have a rule like 1050.9c which expressly allows photography.

No, that's consistent with what Mr. Train Dude said, namely, " The bottom line is there is no constitutionally protected right to unrestricted photography."

NYCT can still impose reasonable time, place, on manner restrictions on photography. Therefore, the right you speak of is qualified.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:03:21 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by trainsarefun on Thu Dec 13 00:54:39 2007.

Something that poses a threat to public safety would likely qualify as being subject to a reasonable restriction.

Which is something we all know, but is again irrelevant to the case as presented. If you clearly include the disclaimer that in the story as presented, Nilet did nothing wrong and that the T/O WAS in the wrong, then I'd think it would be reasonable to discuss other alternate what-if scenarios.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:04:24 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 00:57:56 2007.

Train Dude's original statement can certainly be wrong! And certainly since it lacks all context!

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:05:09 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 00:30:09 2007.

wow, you've never heard of people watching?

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:06:28 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:00:36 2007.

Huh?

If you are talking about this post

Those arent "alternate scenarios" they actually happened..

To me...

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 13 01:07:20 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 00:30:09 2007.

Prolonged attention paid to strangers is kindofa dangerous move to make, even today.

The amount of attention I pay to females is directly proportional to the amount of cleavage displayed :-D

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:08:42 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:04:24 2007.

Train Dude's original statement can certainly be wrong!

There is difference between "can" and "is" my friend..

Of coruse it can depend on ones point of view as well..

Now i got to go and find it, you at least could have given me the link ..

Like i just did with you...

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:09:26 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:08:42 2007.

what do you mean point of view?? he was stating a fact about something. I'm saying his fact could be wrong.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:11:05 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:09:26 2007.

I'm saying his fact could be wrong.

Depending on what?

Give me some more to work with Terrapin...


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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 13 01:12:40 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by trainsarefun on Thu Dec 13 01:03:05 2007.

NYCT can still impose reasonable time, place, on manner restrictions on photography.

That is not the way the rule is written. The constitutional issue does not even come into play at this point since the rule as written has no restrictions with respect to areas open to the public.

If the MTA expects us to obey its rules (no holding doors, no going between cars, etc) - we have a reasonable expectation to expect that the MTA will also respect the same set of rules (i.e. photography is PERMITTED).

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 13 01:13:35 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 00:26:39 2007.


So, I'm surprised you object to my p.o.v.

Really? Take a closer look.

You say the dude got pissed at your activities.

At my "activities?" The excuse he gave for attacking me was that I "looked" at him; that is, I glanced at him as I walked past since I saw reason to believe he was a threat. He may have already been pretty pissed off, partly by my existence and partly by the fact that I refused to give him money.

That's the way lots of folks are.

My experience, thankfully, tells me otherwise.

And no, I don't think most people are carrying.

Ah, that's good.

But surely you can understand that it's neither your right nor privilege to present yourself in a way that would get a fellow passenger so incensed.

It's "neither my right or my privilege" to glance at someone I think is a threat, or to refuse to give them money on demand?

It's like, do you walk up to guys and tell them they smell, or their mother's a slut?

Oh, come on! There's a very big difference between walking up to someone and insulting them and having someone shady-looking walk up to you in an empty station and demand change for a bill they don't appear to have, threaten you, and later attack you when you glance at them.

It's mainly, respect for the dignity of others.

Just a quick reminder: I'm the victim in this incident. I was attacked unprovoked. In case you forgot.

Even if what they consider their "dignity" might seem strange or absurd to you. In public that's the fare to be paid.

His "dignity," apparently, required that I give him money. Although he had just asked for change and didn't make it explicit that he was trying to rob me, the entire thing seemed iffy, especially since he didn't seem to have the bill he wanted change for. Respecting people's dignity in public is, perhaps, the "fare to be paid," but it shouldn't be a literal fare; if someone's dignity requires that of you, it's called robbery.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:16:15 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:11:05 2007.

depending on the context. he gave no context in his post.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:16:57 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 13 01:12:40 2007.

of course while following all other 1050 rules.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 01:17:30 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 12 22:09:01 2007.

"That leaves holding up a camcorder while standing on the platform just beyond the stop marker while the train is stopped in the station with the doors open as "distracting the T/O."

I'm not trying to R.I.B. you on this. But yikes, just for once, put yourself in the other guys' shoes. Imagine you are the T.O. Subway platforms are the ultimate transient places. Move move move, that's the nature of the environment. In one sense, only people with the right to loiter on a platform are train personnel and cops.

So. You're "driving" the train. The train is stopped, doors open. You notice that everyone else is moving to the doors or shuffling away from the train because they need to catch a different train. Except...one dude apparently holding something that, sure, could simply be a camera of some type. Nobody else is doing what that person is doing. He (since I doubt it would be a she) is just standing there, pointing something at your train.

Maybe you as the photographer can't understand this but you as the T.O. have every right, indeed, obligation to at least consider that person standing there a possible suspicious individual. And if push comes to shove you have every right as a T.O. to act upon your trained and experienced opinion regarding persons inhabiting your work environment...

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:18:07 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:16:15 2007.

depending on the context. he gave no context in his post.

Thank you..

So it can be looked at from a "different point of view" then correct?



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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 13 01:19:19 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 12 05:26:27 2007.

I always figured the Mano-Mano "War of Wills" bit was stupid..

Kinda like playing Mental Foreplay..with another dude[not that theres anything wrong with that,if thats your cup of tea..]

But its Not mine..so I'd rather have a cup of Joe..
You get the same effects.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 01:19:19 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 13 01:07:20 2007.

Ye-ye-ye-yeah. I concur. Discreetly, of course... :-)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:19:29 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:16:57 2007.

THAT itself is another story...

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:19:55 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 01:17:30 2007.

Maybe you as the photographer can't understand this but you as the T.O. have every right, indeed, obligation to at least consider that person standing there a possible suspicious individual. And if push comes to shove you have every right as a T.O. to act upon your trained and experienced opinion regarding persons inhabiting your work environment...

Um, no one is disputing that.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:21:34 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:19:55 2007.

Exactly..

Just got to handle it "professionally" that's all..

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:22:42 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:18:07 2007.

no. he is either right or he is wrong. but since none of us know the context, we only know that he may be right or he may be wrong. Easy chose that he may be wrong. As I've shown, that's a reasonable choice. But then you told him to think again. What's there to think again about? There's nothing wrong with Easy's choice. If anything, you could say why you think Train Dude may be right. But there's nothing you can say about Easy's choice being wrong.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Dec 13 01:23:00 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 13 00:51:08 2007.

"Ron, there are a couple of things that really piss me off, and blaming the victim is one of them."

You weren't a victim. What happened to you isn't even remotely like being a victim. If you really think you were a victim, you need professional help.

"If you ever suffer a completely unprovoked attack (with the closest thing to a provocation being a brief glance at someone you have reason to believe is a threat"

Does being assaulted by a mother whose child I had to keep in the ER count? She slugged me in the mouth and I had to subdue her, watch out for weapons and wait for the police to come to detain her.

How about tackling an out of control mental patient on the subway and helping a police officer handcuff him and then have the guy pee on me because he couldn't control his bladder?

You have no clue about "victim." stop embarrassing yourself.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Dec 13 01:25:53 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 13 01:12:40 2007.

That is not the way the rule is written. The constitutional issue does not even come into play at this point since the rule as written has no restrictions with respect to areas open to the public.

No, you are incorrect; where does it say that right is unrestricted?

(i.e. photography is PERMITTED).

Yes, photography is permitted subject to reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.



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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:26:51 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 01:22:42 2007.

Funny in this post Easy didnt think so

After i talked about what i seen in that video i dont think Easy "beleived" that Train Dude said people can use a railfans hobby for wicked purposes is that correct?

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Dec 13 01:31:08 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 13 01:07:20 2007.

Understandable.



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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:37:02 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by trainsarefun on Thu Dec 13 01:25:53 2007.

Also THIS comes into play..

Section 1050.6

Use of the transit system.

No person may perform any act which interferes with or may tend to interfere with the provision of transit service, obstructs or may tend to obstruct the flow of traffic on facilities or conveyances, or interferes with or may tend to interfere with the safe and efficient operation of the facilities or conveyances of the Authority.


So If video taping or taking pictures interfers with operations its agaisnt the law correct?

Now do you think people who takes pictures or films on the subway ALL follows that rule?

If the T/O or C/R "safe operation" comes into play they have every right to put it on the radio, leave it in Controls Hands that way all bases are covered.

Do Not confront the person...

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 01:39:37 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Nilet on Wed Dec 12 23:29:58 2007.

Heh. Wow, that's a new one. You actually walked onto the car and started picking up newpapers? Ummm...that dude was doing his job which he gets paid for. You felt comfortable enough to just stroll into his workplace and "help out"? I...forgive me but that sounds a little...unusual. Almost like an insult to the T.O.

If it was a park, maybe, but a train?

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 13 03:12:27 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 00:19:08 2007.

Well said and GOOD ADVISE.

Be SMART about your hobby..
Don't BE the hobby.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 13 04:18:50 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by ntrainride on Thu Dec 13 01:17:30 2007.


Maybe you as the photographer can't understand this but you as the T.O. have every right, indeed, obligation to at least consider that person standing there a possible suspicious individual. And if push comes to shove you have every right as a T.O. to act upon your trained and experienced opinion regarding persons inhabiting your work environment...

That's not really being disputed. However...

So. You're "driving" the train. The train is stopped, doors open. You notice that everyone else is moving to the doors or shuffling away from the train because they need to catch a different train. Except...one dude apparently holding something that, sure, could simply be a camera of some type. Nobody else is doing what that person is doing. He (since I doubt it would be a she) is just standing there, pointing something at your train.

I was holding the camcorder up so I could lock the focus while walking towards the door to get on the train. Since I had been standing beyond the stop marker and there were no exits or people behind me, I wasn't in anyone's way.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 13 04:20:15 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Dec 13 01:23:00 2007.

It's clear that your reading comprehension skills are sadly lacking. Read my post again. If you need help, I'll be glad to highlight the key points for you.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Dec 13 04:47:26 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 12 16:29:24 2007.

it is tough to see from where his head is.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 06:36:52 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 01:26:51 2007.

i dont think Easy "beleived" that Train Dude said people can use a railfans hobby for wicked purposes is that correct?

No, I think that's incorrect. I think Easy knows how videos and photos can be used. He simply disagrees with Train Dude's statement.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 06:54:34 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 06:36:52 2007.

Then we agree to dissagree then fair enough...

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 07:13:16 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 12 14:35:01 2007.

Right. The bulletin says photography may be suspicious. It does not say all photography is suspicious. It does not say all photography must be reported. As such, photography is not suspicious. It only may be suspicious.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 07:27:26 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 07:13:16 2007.

Exactly its not suspicious but the persons actions can be "suspcious"..

That's the line that has to be understood.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 07:54:52 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 07:27:26 2007.

And if the person's only action is photography, then it is not suspicious. It must be combined with other factors to make the person suspicious.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Thu Dec 13 07:59:31 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 13 07:54:52 2007.

Agreed 110%..

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 13 08:43:53 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 12 01:48:01 2007.

By the way, since there are a zillion pictures of subway cars running around, why do you want to catch up?

Because I want HIGH RESOLUTION ROYALTY FREE pictures that I can have the right to SELL if I so desire! Pictures taken by others have copyright protection.

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Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her

Posted by BMTLines on Thu Dec 13 09:01:31 2007, in response to Re: Respect the T/O's request not to film her, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 12 01:48:01 2007.

How about taking pictures of things related to subways that haven'ty been photographed, like the entrances. Some of the are fancy, some are near other interesting buildings.

For the record I do a lot more than just railroad photography.

Here is one example of what I did with the rail stuffBMT Calendar

Or if you prefer my NON-rail photography Pin-UP Calendar

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Dec 13 09:07:12 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 12 23:01:54 2007.

Brian I take pictures all time and never get questioned.
a lot of opthers never have problerms
Nilet has problems all the time, just go back in time and see how many times Nilet got in shits.
At one point we all got to realize the problem may be at Nilets end of conversations.

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