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Re: The (M) and the (QB) on 5/11/75 Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 13 20:36:25 2007, in response to Re: The (M) and the (QB) on 5/11/75 Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by E Line Fan on Sun May 13 10:37:41 2007. No problem G Train fan. |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun May 13 20:38:43 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:09:04 2007. I dont know if they rescended that bulletin about Bowling Green not being reveune tracks, i have to look for it. |
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Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 13 20:38:47 2007, in response to Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 13 12:02:32 2007. Why would they need to terminate the M on the Lower Level, thus making everyone who wants to travel further to traverse further,m what's wrong with the upper level? Sure,m if the M went to Dtimas,m that would be a different story,m but I see no reason the M would nee to terminate on the lower level. |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 20:38:58 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Railman718 on Sun May 13 20:35:51 2007. But, he's saying that the same issue exists at BB. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun May 13 20:43:40 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 20:38:58 2007. I havent seen that bulletin rescended yet, as far as i know BB Loop is still "reveune" tracks..Unless the Gen Supt of the East Side has issued a memo.. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 13 20:48:36 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Railman718 on Sun May 13 20:35:51 2007. Because that *could* happen anywhere on the system at any time.ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 13 20:57:17 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Railman718 on Sun May 13 20:43:40 2007. I havent seen that bulletin rescended yet, as far as i know BB Loop is still "reveune" tracks..I'm sure you are correct. But the situation Bill described can occur exactly as easily on the City Hall Loop as anywhere else. My question is: why does NYCT consider Bill's points important on, say, the Bowling Green loop but not the City Hall Loop? The exact same incident Bill describes could happen equally well in either place. |
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Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Sun May 13 20:58:39 2007, in response to Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 13 12:44:44 2007. Thanks, Chris R16/R2730. I read your interesting point about the (M) and Culver and was inspired to ask how it would've changed Brighton if the M.T.A. had done this in 1975. I agree with your post, BTW. |
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Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 21:01:48 2007, in response to Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by E Line Fan on Sun May 13 20:23:58 2007. The QJ ran to Coney Island until 1972 LATE December...The M began it's run to C.I January 1973 right after new years day. With the route change, came the name change..along with a car change. R27/30/32/42 became M line regulars..while all of the pre war R units moved over to the J/K/LL lines with Some 27/30's thrown in. The QJ/KK signs were all gone,covered with black tape untill new station signs were put in place,by the fall of 72...even before the routes were changed.The new signs had PAPER COVERINGS over them[hiding the route changes]... They even taped over the signs on the trains common and uncommon to the Eastern Division. |
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Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 21:08:09 2007, in response to Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by E Line Fan on Sun May 13 20:23:58 2007. The QJ ran to Coney Island until 1972 LATE December...The M began it's run to C.I January 1973 right after new years day. With the route change, came the name change..along with a car change. R27/30/32/42 became M line regulars..while all of the pre war R units moved over to the J/K/LL lines with Some 27/30's thrown in. The QJ/KK signs were all gone,covered with black tape untill new station signs were put in place,by the fall of 72...even before the routes were changed.The new signs had PAPER COVERINGS over them[hiding the route changes]... They even taped over the signs on the trains common and uncommon to the Eastern Division. |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun May 13 21:11:26 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by AlM on Sun May 13 20:57:17 2007. Beacuse this is who we work for thats why, things can change from District to District even though it shouldnt be the case..You get all caught up in this and it can give you a headache... So you just do your job (saftey first of coruse) and figure out all the carzy stuff later.. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by MJF on Sun May 13 21:21:59 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 17:48:45 2007. Was the Jamaica Macy's customer base suburban? Chances are most of their customer base was arriving by public tranportation, bus or subway. Why eliminate their way of getting to the store? |
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Posted by MJF on Sun May 13 21:25:28 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 17:49:32 2007. It may have been politically motivated but I wouldn't lose sleep over that one. Remember, before the R46s arrived in Queens they were still running many R9s on the E & F along with the 38s, slants and 44s. |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 22:03:45 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:03:32 2007. Then what's he supposed to do when he runs out of content? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 22:04:50 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:06:27 2007. I was once on a B train that lost one of its storm door windows when the C/R leaned on it. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 22:06:48 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:18:53 2007. You did? Where? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 22:19:19 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:30:00 2007. There are none being bulldozed.Really? Turn to Table 2 in this document. Why are some of the parcels listed as "Residential"? |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 22:34:32 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 20:00:11 2007. Why should he stop posting here? I don't always agree with him, but he contributes a lot to the discussion. His posts are thoughtful and fact-based.Troll. |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 22:40:44 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Railman718 on Sun May 13 20:35:51 2007. Lots of tracks used for relays are revenue trackage.A3 and A4 tracks south of Brighton Beach are revenue trackage. The middle track south of Bay Parkway is revenue trackage. The express tracks at 4th Avenue are revenue trackage. The middle track north of Parkchester is revenue trackage. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 22:42:25 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 20:12:17 2007. So were parts of Harlem until recently. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 22:45:31 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 20:09:19 2007. "So, you admit to being a troll? "He'll admit it to avoid telling you he works for Kroll, Undercover security is rough; it certainly takes its toll, His girlfriend Betty Used to be a Moll, She looked pretty in a dress, trying to ride a foal, marrying a mobster was her goal Instead, now she too Works foor Kroll. :0) |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun May 13 22:46:15 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 22:40:44 2007. Um yeah i know that hence the words "there are exceptions" in this post..http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=429043 |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 22:51:04 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Grand concourse on Sun May 13 20:36:19 2007. It may not support yours, I agree... :0) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 22:52:28 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 22:34:32 2007. Many of them are. His range of interests and knowledge base are far wider and deeper than yours. You could learn from him. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 22:55:48 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:40:10 2007. Thanks for the correction, JTrain. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .Try a new a new theory |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 23:16:13 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by MJF on Sun May 13 21:21:59 2007. Not sure.Devil''s advocate position: Maybe Macy's and the others actually thought that by forcing the El dismantled early the TA would be forced to speed up implementation of the Archer Av project, and then they found out, no, that wasn't going to happen. I'm exploring this possibility; I'm not saying it's true. |
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Re: M Train in Brooklyn (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Eric B on Sun May 13 23:19:10 2007, in response to Re: M Train in Brooklyn (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 13 13:50:53 2007. No, instead, when there's a blockage at 9th Av., they'll keep pushing the M's out on the local behind it, and start sending the D's down the express, around it. I was on that end of an M job once, and saw it myself while waiting to go out, and it was like "so this is why the M's disappear". So it's like screw the M line's whole base of service on the other end, for what reason; I don't know. (If the D is stuck, you still have the B uptown, it's only Myrtle that gets left with NOTHING).When I saw that, that was when I said the reverse peaks should be eliminated, and the northbound service start from closer in. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 23:23:43 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Railman718 on Sun May 13 22:46:15 2007. But those aren't exceptions. Trains are cleared out before they enter relays no matter what, whether or not the tracks they use are revenue tracks.AIUI, there is a total of one exception to that policy: City Hall loop -- because trains have to go straight from Brooklyn Bridge to Brooklyn Bridge, with nowhere else to go or come from (aside from the two layup tracks), so the risk is really no greater than on any other mostly empty train traveling between stations. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .Try a new a new theory |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun May 13 23:23:48 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .Try a new a new theory, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 23:16:13 2007. I don't think it would have mattered - they lost the walk-in traffic generated by the El - when the subway moved to Archer Ave people got on their buses there to continue their rides home and did not go out of their way to visit the stores. I think the stores underestimated the amount of incidental traffic they had as opposed to customers actively seeking them out. As long as they were convenient - people shopped there - when people had to walk out of their way they simply stopped shopping there instead.... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 23:31:03 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 22:34:32 2007. Ahh..More from the Glee Club. Stop it. Point is that you are the MAIN PERSON here,along with Brian..to post foolish bullshit. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 23:33:31 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 23:31:03 2007. Point is that you are the MAIN PERSON here,along with Brian..to post foolish bullshit.Again, since you have made posts that say simply: "Your mother what?" You are in no position to accuse someone of posting 'foolish bullshit'. |
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Re: M Train in Brooklyn (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 23:34:10 2007, in response to Re: M Train in Brooklyn (Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Eric B on Sun May 13 23:19:10 2007. Service from 9th avenue? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 13 23:35:23 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 23:31:03 2007. Point is that you are the MAIN PERSON here,along with Brian..to post foolish bullshit.I've asked you twice already to post links and quotes of this so-called foolish bullshit from both David and I. I'm still waiting. So consider this the THIRD time that I'm asking. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 23:37:38 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 23:31:03 2007. Troll. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 23:39:45 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 23:33:31 2007. I have EVERY RIGHT..and every position.Clearly..if You were paying attention..you would SEE what this is all about. Call Ron what you want..but I know without question He knows EXACTLY what it is. Take your blinders off..and see. Plainly speaking..every response You make..only strengthens my position against the sickness here. Sure I'm the troll..when it come to hitting You folks at the HEART of your subculture. What would that be? Your insanity. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun May 13 23:40:20 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Broadway Buffer on Fri May 11 19:12:44 2007. "...a lot of people can't take the every stop."I tend to agree with that sentiment yet with els the "every stop" effect doesn't seem to pain as much. Especially along the Jamaica Avenue/Broadway line. I guess being able to see all the buildings and terrain passing by better defines the notion of gettin' somewhere than a tunnel journey with nothing but lights marking the passage. Again, especially along the J line neighborhoods. From Jamaica I almost always choose el over sub. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 23:41:34 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 23:37:38 2007. Thats the best you can do?You should be watching "The Tutors" instead. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 23:41:51 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 23:39:45 2007. Your delusions are getting worse.If you have a problem with people discussing Trains, on a message board about TRAINS, you have a severe problem. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 13 23:44:05 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 23:41:34 2007. Still waiting..... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 13 23:45:24 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Broadway Buffer on Fri May 11 19:12:44 2007. Perhaps..Third tracking is out of the question... It was suggested years ago..and the nab screamed bloody murder.. Perhaps a letter to the MTA about reverse peak skip stop is in order. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 23:48:28 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by ntrainride on Sun May 13 23:40:20 2007. Most people choose the E over the J/Z because it serves midtown, AND downtown. It takes roughly the same amount of time for the E to get to lower manhattan as the J/Z, but the E directly goes to midtown. Taking the J to get to midtown would take you an additional 20-25 minutes, a substantial amount of time! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun May 13 23:57:09 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:26:27 2007. yeah, but where would they go from Rutgers or Montague? A (W) extension perhaps? The (V) maybe? Lots of known unknowns. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 00:05:52 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by SMAZ on Sun May 13 23:57:09 2007. Does it even matter? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon May 14 00:28:38 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 13 19:48:35 2007. Well, it may or may not include subway running but still, something's seems to be within sight over there anyway: K.C. definitely has had its share of serious rail transit:  And this shot is interesting; check out the sign on the right behind the "CAR STOP".:  (That one, I copped from davesrailpix.com)) |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon May 14 00:38:22 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 23:48:28 2007. Well, okay, I was talking about when I'm headed towards Brooklyn or Lower Manhattan. Which is where I'm usually going to anyway. But even for Midtown it's not bad. Easy enough to transfer to East and Westside express trains. The crowds on the Q.B. lines suck, J train gets you a seat, most times. And (this is less logical) I happen to like passing through the old Brooklyn neighborhoods. I like going by East New York and Bedford and Stuyvesant and Bushwick and Williamsburg. Passing by Kew Gardens and Forest Hills and Jackson Heights and Woodside don't hold the same thrill for me. (Jamaica and L.I.C. are the only exceptions to this, community-wise) |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Mon May 14 00:42:10 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Sun May 13 19:22:49 2007. Sounds doable. Logically, where would a Myrtle Avenue subway tie in to access either Rutgers or Montague? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon May 14 00:59:52 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 00:05:52 2007. I think so since the (V) or (W) don't run 24/7 and there aren't any other alternatives except for the SAS. |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Mon May 14 01:22:16 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by David of Broadway on Sun May 13 23:23:43 2007. Railman718 stated before (earlier posting, another subject) that Bowling Green is another exception to the policy. So now there are two exceptions |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 01:25:05 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by ntrainride on Mon May 14 00:38:22 2007. But even for Midtown it's not bad.It's terrible compared to the E. The crowds on the Q.B. lines suck, J train gets you a seat, most times. In Jamaica, you stand a pretty good chance of getting a seat on the E. Yes, some have to stand. Not all. I like going by East New York and Bedford and Stuyvesant and Bushwick and Williamsburg. Passing by Kew Gardens and Forest Hills and Jackson Heights and Woodside don't hold the same thrill for me. (Jamaica and L.I.C. are the only exceptions to this, community-wise) To the avg commuter, this isn't a concern. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 01:25:28 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by ntrainride on Mon May 14 00:38:22 2007. But even for Midtown it's not bad.It's terrible compared to the E. The crowds on the Q.B. lines suck, J train gets you a seat, most times. In Jamaica, you stand a pretty good chance of getting a seat on the E. Yes, some have to stand. Not all. I like going by East New York and Bedford and Stuyvesant and Bushwick and Williamsburg. Passing by Kew Gardens and Forest Hills and Jackson Heights and Woodside don't hold the same thrill for me. (Jamaica and L.I.C. are the only exceptions to this, community-wise) To the avg commuter, this isn't a concern. Sorry for the italics in the last post. |
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