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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 15 06:45:19 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Railman718 on Tue May 15 06:25:46 2007. Exactly Railman:That is a much tougher job than many of these people make it look to be. You can't just go right in and do it they way they do. |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 15 07:00:03 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Railman718 on Tue May 15 06:25:46 2007. I'll contribute $500 to the governor of my choice - that's how *I* got handle time on the 143's before NYCTA got their mitts on them aside from "C division" ... heh. Been there, done that, paid to push the green buttons and do some joystick in non-revenue. (grin)As I've always said ... "ANY moron can make a train go ... takes TALENT to make one stop. Takes even MORE talent to make them stop at a 10 car marker." But hey ... as Darius taught us all, have handles, WILL move train. And where she stops? Five-oh. *NO* 006 for you! Heh. "Join TWU and see the world!" |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue May 15 07:24:59 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 15 07:00:03 2007. We got some new "recruits" coming down here Kevin...Perhaps a "RTO Reality Check" will be in store for some of them as well.. "I never thought it would be LIKE This".. A term i heard a bit too much back in 2001-02.. |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 15 07:55:29 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Railman718 on Tue May 15 07:24:59 2007. Hehe ... 1970 for me ... whoops!Back in MY day, all sorts of fro's to butt-length hair piped onto the ship because "uniform GETS you some." Heh. And it DID! Ask some of your compatriots in da monkey suit ... but you move up FRONT, all of those "attracted to your position" are greaseballs with clipboards and a freaking radio. "Attitude sold separately." :) Uh ... yeah. "0604 Brighton to command ... ummmm ... why are all the lights dark on the wayside? Command? Ummmm ... can anybody HEAR me? And that the HELL is that smell?" (grin) |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 10:44:12 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Mon May 14 22:56:38 2007. I hope you gave the station superintendent a piece of your mind. I hope a lot of riders did - and called their councilman too. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 10:55:21 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 12 12:40:05 2007. Interesting how you insist on repeating "facts" despite not one citation anywhere to support you. You could at least ask a retired disgruntled Mavy's employee to back you up. I have a feeling they'd just laugh in your face and tell you the truth: you're silly! |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .Try a new a new theory |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:13:45 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .Try a new a new theory, posted by MJF on Mon May 14 12:06:52 2007. Not the city. Macy's. Force it's "desirable" customer base out of downtown Jamaica. |
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Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:16:19 2007, in response to Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by randyo on Mon May 14 16:04:25 2007. OK, whomever designed the Chrystie St. plan .... |
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Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:17:29 2007, in response to Re: The (M) and the (QB) Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Mon May 14 18:08:15 2007. Yes, but nothing came off the Fulton St. el after the subway connection opened in 1920. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:19:21 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 14 12:50:52 2007. My God. You are arguing this subject without knowing that Mays was in Jamaica? Well, I shouldn't be so surprised. |
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Re: Weekend additions of CPW service |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Tue May 15 11:28:44 2007, in response to Weekend additions of CPW service, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 15 05:16:15 2007. Where might a weekend (B) terminate? It used to run Saturdays. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:29:26 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Mon May 14 18:38:14 2007. I had the "pleasure" of riding it a few times before it closed for good..and to me,the line looked more like the Jamaica El over Fulton st. Yeah, I'm sure those Fulton St. stations were identical before they were shaved and lengthened for subway service. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 11:30:25 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:19:21 2007. Bingo. You'd save a lot of time if you simply didn't bother conversing with him. |
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Re: Weekend additions of CPW service |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:30:57 2007, in response to Weekend additions of CPW service, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 15 05:16:15 2007. I'm not sure that a weekend B train is necessary. Either beef up C service a bit, or make the D run local. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:31:10 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Mon May 14 18:42:07 2007. That's because an entire generation has learned to live without the old elevated. If it had survived, it'd be well used. It'd be my #1 route to downtown Brooklyn. |
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Re: Weekend additions of CPW service (adding) |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Tue May 15 11:33:28 2007, in response to Re: Weekend additions of CPW service (adding), posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 15 05:20:34 2007. The (B) terminates at Bedford Park Bouleyard rush hours and 145th Street middays. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 11:40:30 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Mon May 14 18:13:23 2007. Thank you. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:40:41 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by trains61 on Mon May 14 20:57:31 2007. Don`t tear down stuff until the new service/Subway is built." The Culver, Mrytle Ave, 3rd Ave.(Man&Bx) are prime examples.The Culver and Myrtle were never going to be replaced by subway. The Culver, while interesting, was not useful enough to enough people. Anyone who wanted to get to 4th avenue services from the F line can do so at 4th avenue station. Otherwise, while the shuttle was nice, it was ultimately an unnecessary line. Myrtle, OTOH was a travesty. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:42:08 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:31:10 2007. It would be my #1 route to anywhere. Don't get me wrong: I do not believe the el should have been demolished. But there's not enough ridership there to justify constructing a new subway. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 11:42:27 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:31:10 2007. I agree with you. How do we get a coalition together and persuade the Brooklyn Borough Prez to form a task force, similar to the Manhattan Borough Prez SAS task force? The purpose would be to get a new Myrtle subway onto MTA's future Capital Plans. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 11:42:55 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:40:41 2007. 100% right. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 11:44:03 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:42:08 2007. I don't know about that. It's a chicken and egg thing. The potential ridership is there but they haven't had a choice in a long time. Build it and they will come. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:45:17 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:40:41 2007. Anyone who wanted to get to 4th avenue services from the F line can do so at 4th avenue station. Yeah, makes it EXTRA convenient to go all the way up to 4th Ave, deal with all those stairs, then backtrack to 36th St. If the M ever ran via the Culver to Ditmas, it'd be the more desirable connection. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:46:47 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 15 11:30:25 2007. I'm careful in selecting what I respond to. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:53:07 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 11:42:27 2007. I, for one, would be against you, even though this would benefit me substantially. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:56:02 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:45:17 2007. I never said it was convenient. But too few people used the service.I'm also puzzled as to why people think the M would've been sent down the line. Before it's takeover by the IND, the Culver was a through service to Nassau, but this was not preserved in anyway afterward. This option existed the entire time; I'm not sure shifting the M over there would have changed their opinion. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:57:06 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 11:44:03 2007. People who live in the area still have to get around someway. I could see if the 54 was overburdened, Or maybe the G was bursting at the seams, but this isn't happening. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by trains61 on Tue May 15 12:24:30 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:40:41 2007. While it`s true that the Culver and Mrytle were not going to be replaced with subways, I`m sure you get my point.The Culver while not well used,(long headways-only one shuttle train in service at a time)would have provided options for routings including another option to CI Yard. Ask any senior citizen their opinion about tranfers at 4th Ave.... |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 12:32:26 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:56:02 2007. Through service from Nassau St. survived for 5 years after the IND takeover south of Ditmas. But the NYCTA or whatever organization was running the system then wanted no part of maintaining this line and it gradually decreased service (and patronage) to the point that it could consider abandonment. The service cuts drove ridership down, not vice versa. It was a policy which worked well on the 3rd Ave el starting after WWII. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Deaks on Tue May 15 12:50:38 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 11:46:47 2007. But that's always been the case Chris, no matter who you are responding to! |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 12:58:08 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 12:32:26 2007. Sad but true. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 13:02:19 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by trains61 on Mon May 14 20:57:31 2007. Yes..they chased the riders away..and it was done INTENTIONALLY to "prove" ridership was down...not worth the effort to renovate...exactly like the Bronx 3rd avenue EL..the outer end of the Jamaica Ave El..and the Culver el..By the way..has anyone taken a really Good look at the remaining structure over McDonalds Avenue? There are some stations with HOLES as big as your fist in the Mezz walls..crumbling wooden floors..spaulding concrete...just LOOKS unsafe..like you are going to fall thur the floor to the pavement below. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 13:04:04 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:53:07 2007. OK. You don't have to join if you don't want to. You can be in the Loyal Opposition. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 13:08:08 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 15 11:57:06 2007. Of course they do. People don't commit suicide when their train gets cancelled; they find a way to make do. Same thing in the Bronx when the Third Av El got cancelled.Doesn't mean we shouldn't think about replacing it. The Ninth Av El got cancelled, but it was replaced by the Concourse Line and Eight Av IND services. We're taking baby steps to finally creating the SAS, which was supposed to replace the Third Av El in Manhattan (and eventually the Bronx???). Why not the Myrtle? See, doesn't that prove I'm not strictly Manhattan-centric? |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 13:09:43 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Deaks on Tue May 15 12:50:38 2007. Who, not what. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 13:09:58 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 14 12:50:52 2007. My parents shopped at Mays.My dad,cause he was right there at the 168th st terminal anyway..and mom use to meet him there[with us in tow].. The highlight of our trip was Not paying the fare[MOM just flipped her pass..and we'd walk thur the gate..] Once in a blue moon..we'd even get our pops train! Everytime we shop Jamaica Avenue..it turned into a "family day" or something...cause I usually was able to get something out of it..the ride..a toy[once picked up a Gigantor!]..a book... It was fun. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 13:10:21 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by trains61 on Tue May 15 12:24:30 2007. I hope 4th Av's most important transfer point gets an ADA upgrade soon. Elevators, escalators... |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 13:14:30 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 13:09:58 2007. For me, the highlights of the trip were the train ride and lunch at McD's. Even getting a booster shot was worth it. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 13:18:54 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 13:14:30 2007. LOL! |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 15 14:04:52 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 13:10:21 2007. That would be really complicated..but Not impossible...It would be Great, actually. Perhaps this is the reasons WHY the renovation was placed on the back burner for so long. In any case,its a long time coming. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue May 15 14:12:06 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 13:10:21 2007. Especially escalators. Always working! |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 15 15:09:56 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 15 07:55:29 2007. Well, it ain't journal grease anymore.:) |
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Re: Increasing QB capacity |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 15 17:56:42 2007, in response to Re: Increasing QB capacity, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 15 15:09:56 2007. I'm pretty sure it was OIL and not grease in those cups with the woolies on the old arnines ... but THAT smell wasn't a mystery at all. It was what was beyond the cab door that you just didn't want to open to find out. :) |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by MJF on Tue May 15 19:23:53 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 14 22:23:51 2007. Amazing what an infusion of money can do. Never had any in the 70s. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed May 16 00:21:17 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 15 12:32:26 2007. Service cuts are not always a bad thing. If people can be moved more efficiently by getting rid of a service, then do it. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed May 16 00:22:44 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 13:08:08 2007. Why not the Myrtle?Not enough riders. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 16 01:14:42 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by MJF on Tue May 15 19:23:53 2007. Oh yeah..there WAS money For the subways...It just Never made it TO THE SUBWAYS.. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 16 01:33:28 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Wed May 16 00:22:44 2007. The ridership IS there...They just use other modes of transportation...rather than wait on a slow bus..or a jacked up G train. Heck, even the G has been better than riding the bus lately. Few days ago..I was on a extremely crowded 54 bus..I mean this bus was so packed that Nobody could get on...nobody.. Yet the drive stopped at the shelters anyway. If this was the EL..it wouldn't have put a dent in it...yet the MTA continued to reduce service on ALL the lines serving north Brooklyn..not just the 54 route. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 16 02:38:11 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by J trainloco on Wed May 16 00:22:44 2007. When most lines into the outer-boros were built there weren't enough people let alone riders. The (7) went through farmland. That changed within a few years. |
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Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 16 02:40:05 2007, in response to Re: May 11, 1975. . .End of the Culver shuttle, posted by RonInBayside on Tue May 15 11:42:27 2007. While a Myrtle subway would be nice, I think there are other more important prorities in future MTA Capital Plans. |
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