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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 20 05:23:26 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 20 04:16:40 2021.

Westbury is a cash cow. For every station that generates revenue others offset it with lower ridership.

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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 13:37:19 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 20 04:16:40 2021.

For Westbury, yes. Half the Huntington trains and half the still-born Ronkonkoma or Farmingdale trains.

So now Babylon gets a consistent 2 trains per hour. A local and a semi-local or another local. Some of the south shore shuttles connect with locals (that should be semi-locals).

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 14:05:13 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 20 05:23:26 2021.

With all of LIRR revenue problems, they leave money at the table. Lack of needed frequencies costs them round trip revenue. Substitute Westbury for Cold Spring Harbor for the skip-stop - done. What's the big deal.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 20 18:31:04 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 17 12:47:11 2021.

each to their own. but anyway:

Sun, May 3, 1931 – Page 50 · The Brooklyn Daily Eagle (Brooklyn, New York) · Brooklyn Public Library

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Mitch45 on Sat Feb 20 20:00:07 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 20 18:31:04 2021.

Of course it was based on prejudice.

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Posted by Mitch45 on Sat Feb 20 20:00:59 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 20 18:31:04 2021.

Of course it was based on prejudice.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Joe on Sat Feb 20 20:15:10 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Mitch45 on Sat Feb 20 20:00:59 2021.

Many thanks for finding and reproducing that Gibson ad from 1931. The archives of the Brooklyn Daily Eagle are a mine of forgotten historical items, but this is the first blatant ad I have seen. What I have encountered (and no longer have the links) are the mainline pastors who accepted awards from the KKK in the1920's or who addressed their rallies.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 20 20:15:39 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 18 13:57:44 2021.

this is serious (related) study. worthwhile but pretty deep stuff. the map in the center is fascinating.

Wed, Jan 14, 1891 – Page 1 · The Brooklyn Daily Eagle (Brooklyn, New York) · Brooklyn Public Library

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 20:18:56 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe on Sat Feb 20 20:15:10 2021.

I believe there was a billboard along Gibson Blvd coming from Hewlett (called Harris Avenue) with words to that effect pre WWII. The Five Towns were starting to change from WASP to Jewish at that point.


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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 20 20:49:12 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by northshore on Thu Feb 18 10:56:21 2021.

damn. nice. lived on beach 100th street until i was seven, 1961. have fond memories of the beach 98th street -playland station. even at five years old i knew there was something different about the rockaway line. the extra long platforms, at least compared to the jamaica avenue el, the unique style of the elevated structure, the pay-another-token-you-exit system.

didn't find out til much later that it was an ex-lirr line.

rockaway beach was a pretty cool place to be a little kid then. playland, the ocean, elevated electric trains, arcades and salt water taffy stands along rockaway beach boulevard, the whole shebang.

and the honest exhaust smell of the rockaway beach buses mixed with the hot tar and cotton candy and the salt air...perfume to a five year old. every time i see a bus my nose seeks out that delight.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 20 21:01:25 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Feb 18 13:48:36 2021.

rebuild the far rockaway deletion. extend the far rockaway lirr branch to beach 116th street.

two reasons:

1. as cool as it would be to have new service across the trestle through woodhaven up to rego park it's hard for me to see that happening.

2. rockaway peninsula is not subway turf.

i think doing this will upgrade the area.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 20 21:13:31 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 20 18:31:04 2021.

Oil heat? Forget it.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Charles G on Sat Feb 20 21:49:54 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 18 13:35:05 2021.

I thought it was 1997 when the Long Beach trains switched to Penn. I was working in Penn Plaza at recall noticing the change while walking through the station during a lunch break. By 1998 I had moved to another job.

But there is certainly the chance that I'm remembering incorrectly too!

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 21 07:17:26 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 20 21:13:31 2021.

That's what we had there. We moved out in 1979.
Moved to a post war house in Malverne, also oil. We converted to gas.
Oil burners were disgusting.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 21 07:18:33 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Charles G on Sat Feb 20 21:49:54 2021.

Whichever. Doesn't matter now.

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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Feb 21 07:35:52 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 21 07:17:26 2021.




Oil burners were disgusting.

Agreed. Not as bad as coal burners though.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Feb 21 07:40:04 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 20 20:49:12 2021.



My mother had friends who lived at about Beach 97th Street on the Jamaica Bay side. Instead of grass on their front lawn they had sand.

During Hurricane Donna in 1960 there had about three feet of water in their house. Nevertheless it was fun to visit them especially with Playland so close.

Thanks for the memories.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 21 09:31:20 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 21 07:17:26 2021.

Good move

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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 21 10:11:42 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 20 21:01:25 2021.

What makes it not "subway turf " ?
Zone 4 LIRR Fares are not affordable.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 21 15:52:58 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 20 21:13:31 2021.

It was better than coal. But yeah, I'm glad I have gas heat (also have gas, but that's another topic entirely)

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 21 17:40:21 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 21 15:52:58 2021.

Hahahahaha

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 21 19:21:32 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 21 17:40:21 2021.

The older you get, the more gas you will have, that's why they call old people , "old farts".

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 21 20:09:29 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 21 19:21:32 2021.

Hahahahaha

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Posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Feb 21 21:23:19 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe on Sat Feb 20 20:15:10 2021.

Biden praised former kkk supporters . Oh , the main stream media , aka Bidenís 6th mans on the campaign trail ignored it .

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Feb 21 21:29:11 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Feb 21 07:35:52 2021.

Parents still have oil . Put a new bit in 2 years ago . Modern units are clean with no Oder in house . Did not convert to gas because it requires a very expensive installation of gas line to the furnace . Gas line plus interior work in rental unit .

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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:43:27 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 21 07:17:26 2021.

I was sort of under the impression that there wasnít that much Gas in LI and most of the residents used oil. My former in laws lived in Levittown and as I recall, they had an lectric stove and oil heat although that may have been unique to that particular development.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by bulk88 on Sun Feb 21 23:42:28 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:43:27 2021.

NYC/LI used to have "coal gas", made by locally (per county) baking coal in ovens at a plant. Oil was far far cheaper than coal gas. Coal gas only made sense for cooking and lighting, never heating. Eventually high pressure nat gas pipelines were built to NYC and nat gas is same or lower cost per BTU vs oil.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Feb 22 06:33:42 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Feb 21 07:35:52 2021.

When we bought our house (built 1925) in the 5 Towns in 2000, the boiler was this huge monstrosity wrapped in asbestos. It was originally a coal burner (the closed up chute was still in the wall) that had been converted to oil. We ripped it out and put in a gas burner.

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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Feb 22 06:34:23 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Feb 21 19:21:32 2021.

TRUTH

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 06:41:20 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:43:27 2021.

My grandparents' 1955 house in East Northport used propane tanks that were periodically delivered, based on degree days. It worked fine.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 22 07:28:14 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 21 10:11:42 2021.

I think what he means is more the service type. In general, after reaching a certain distance from a city, regional rail is more appropriate than a city subway.

But like you say, political boundaries (especially those that prevent proper fare integration between modes) and socioeconomic status of neighborhood can throw off any set rule on distance, and I concur that leaving the Rockaways with only Zone 4 LIRR service is impractical.

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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Feb 22 07:40:55 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by bulk88 on Sun Feb 21 23:42:28 2021.

It that possibly why there were numerous gas storage tanks that used to dot the landscape in the various boroughs and parts of Nassau/Suffolk?? They're just about all gone now, but they were local landmarks, like the fabled Elmhurst Tanks of radio traffic reporters.

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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 07:50:09 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 22 07:28:14 2021.

It would force most of them onto the Q53 and Q35.

London, England has the London Overground concept - a hybrid transit/commuter rail model of circumferential lines and eastern distant branches of what was London Underground with 4 car trains, what
the RBB should be.

LIRR fares and Unlimited Metrocard have decimated ridership on the Hempstead, West Hempstead, and Far Rockaway Branches as it is.

The Friday, pre-sunset, seasonal express train to Far Rockaway now has an added stop in Rosedale. It seems North Woodmere residents have relearned the trick of driving to Zone 3 to pay lower fares.

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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 22 11:09:01 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 07:50:09 2021.

I agree about the Overground concept; unfortunately it's basically being taken up by SBS when you take a general look at where the SBS routes are located throughout the city.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 11:16:30 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 22 11:09:01 2021.

MTA's stupid planners assigned to Queens Bus Redesign proposed killing the Q53-SBS, that replaced a rail service, retaining the weak sister Q52, and disintegrating Jackson Hts/74th Street bus hub at the subway junction. Planners like buses because they are "flexible" - so flexible in fact, they can get rid of them. Make it a rail service, and they will be unable to play games.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 22 11:40:11 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 11:16:30 2021.

The thing is that those planners have no idea why the Q53 was established in the first place.

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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 22 11:56:16 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 11:16:30 2021.

While I will politely disagree about the history of the line (as replacing a rail service) being all that relevant (and trust me, I have a love of history), I agree that the Q53-SBS is an important service and it was silly to consider removing a direct link between the Cross Bay/Woodhaven corridor and Jackson Heights/Woodside.

If they arranged for the Q35 to go all the way to connect with the Q52 at the Cross Bay bridge, and they ran the Q52 at a very high frequency (basically the combined Q52/53 frequency of today) and extended that to Woodside, then theoretically you could consider removing the Q53 and not hurt anyone too badly. I don't recommend any of that though. The current setup is probably the best for the moment.

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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 22 11:59:19 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 22 11:56:16 2021.

What do you mean you politely disagree about the history of the line?

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 22 12:12:25 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 22 11:59:19 2021.

I don't think the history of any line (bus, train, boat, or whatever) should dictate its current operation, one way or another.

Just because the Q53 replaced a rail line doesn't mean that for all eternity it needs to replicate that rail line exactly, especially if neighborhoods redevelop and ridership patterns change. Who knows if, presuming the trackage stayed in place, the LIRR itself wouldn't have reconfigured the routing of its trains at some point if ridership patterns changed enough?

But conversely, if the Q53 is still doing well and serving the dual purpose of getting people from the Rockaways to mainland Queens, and then also from Cross Bay/Woodhaven over to Woodside/Jackson Heights, and people are happy, you don't mess with it.

It's good to know the history, but only to the extent that it helps form the line for the present day.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Feb 22 12:30:55 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 07:50:09 2021.

LIRR fares and Unlimited Metrocard have decimated ridership on the Hempstead, West Hempstead, and Far Rockaway Branches as it is.

I can understand how that happened with respect to the Far Rockaway branch, but what about the other two?


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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 22 12:33:40 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Feb 22 12:30:55 2021.

Bus-to-subway transfer.

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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 22 12:38:33 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 22 12:12:25 2021.

Ok. What I would say is that the Rockaways are a tough place to travel to and fro via public transportation.
If the bus line replaced a railroad that could make that trip in a manageable amount of time and winds up over time slowing down to a crawl, the intention of the bus is forgotten.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by murray1575 on Mon Feb 22 12:56:19 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 20 18:31:04 2021.

I wonder who has that telephone number (now 516-825-2300) today? The VAlley Stream 5 exchange still exists although the Verizon switch that serves it is actually located in Lynbrook. Before 1930 you dialed the first three digits of the exchange name and the four digit number when making local calls. There were no area codes before 1947 so you needed an operator to call anywhere outside your own local calling area. New York City's included some of the suburbs in Nassau and Westchester so when the phone company started running out of usable exchange names the system was expanded by using a 2L-5N format. Most of the old exchanges in New York still exist today in the digital world although the old panel switches that once served them have long since been melted down for scrap. Also the Curtiss Field which is mentioned in the ad is now the site of the Green Acres Mall. The train takes longer to get to Valley Stream and Gibson from NYP or Brooklyn these days but the ride is more comfortable and a lot safer than in the days when the MP54 cars ruled the LIRR.

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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 13:44:52 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 22 12:38:33 2021.

The Q52/Q53, when sharing the route with the Q11/Q21 is now a glorified Q11-LTD.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 13:48:34 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Feb 22 12:30:55 2021.

West Hempstead Branch:

Westwood to the N4, Franklin Square people formerly parking at Malverne, Hempstead Gardens and West Hempstead to the N6. Lakeview was never much to begin with.

Hempstead Branch:

to the N6. They'll park at a strip mall or get their better half to drive them to a bus stop.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 22 14:05:42 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 22 12:38:33 2021.

It would be an interesting experiment to put the two versions side by side for a time just to see what would happen. Have coexist the current Q53-SBS alongside the older non-stop variant running at railroad frequencies and at railroad fares and see how people react.

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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 22 14:15:55 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 22 14:05:42 2021.

People that need to get to Woodside or whatever subway connection like the old 63rd Drive stop the Q53 served would have no problem with it.


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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Feb 22 15:05:05 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by murray1575 on Mon Feb 22 12:56:19 2021.

Richard Montano

--Mark

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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 15:39:20 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 22 14:15:55 2021.

They won't pay LIRR-level fares. They are higher than even Express bus fares.

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Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 22 16:09:33 2021, in response to Re: Question About Pre-1950 Rockaway Beach/Far Rockaway LIRR Service, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 22 15:39:20 2021.

The Q53 wasnít an express fare.

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