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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 29 14:39:34 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 29 13:09:24 2018. MTA has long range plans to use an arc of the lower level loop footprint as an additional Ped-Way to get to the subway from the ESA station.Making a train go around that curve at 10MPH at best every 3 minutes is nuts. They'll be having to replace and rotate those rails every 6 months. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 29 20:44:38 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by jrf2 on Mon Oct 29 12:49:20 2018. I don't mean NYC Subway style, I mean WMATA / NJT / MBTA style which have at least 1 per bank wide enough for a wheelchair and automatically open without having to touch anything once accepting the fare instrument. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 29 21:09:07 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 29 14:39:34 2018. The lower level loop can't handle 85' cars anyway. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 29 21:13:07 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by jrf2 on Mon Oct 29 12:45:11 2018. Would be nice to extend them too but likely impossible to do affordably. The lower level tracks are still too close to the surface. Best they'd get is a free transfer to the LIRR trains. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 29 21:46:02 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 29 21:09:07 2018. there is two loops on lower level, the outer loop sure as hell could. but is now no longer accessible due to ESA LIRR station hall. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 04:02:44 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 29 13:03:22 2018. Proposal or pipe dream? There was no way LIRR was going to use any existing GCT tracks. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 04:04:00 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Oct 28 21:17:38 2018. PoP might work on various light rails and SBSIt doesn't. Revenue bleeds freely. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 04:06:13 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 29 12:22:29 2018. And you had double the frequency.I do miss the 25¢ special fare for travel between underground stations only (that was from back in the 80s). Was quite useful if all you needed to do was to get from Washington Street to Penn Station. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 04:10:50 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by jrf2 on Mon Oct 29 12:45:11 2018. And what about MNRR going to lower Manhattan?Ah, pipe dream territory. Imagine GCT being at the Battery instead of 42nd Street? Might have been possible if NYC didn't ban steam in lower Manhattan. Could have been a shared through station with the CNJ/B&O too if they did things right; direct trains from Washington to Albany via the B&O's route, imagine that. Never mind the MTA really missing their chance to turn St. John's Park Terminal into a passenger station. PATH just a few blocks away, and a direct shot up the Hudson to Poughkeepsie without the need for dual-mode locos. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 30 07:50:58 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 04:10:50 2018. Still on the steam ban myth. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 30 09:22:03 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 29 21:46:02 2018. Is that inaccessibility due to current construction activity, but expected to return to active status, or is it permanently dead? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 30 09:37:30 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 30 09:22:03 2018. the lower loops are permanently gone now, west side went trough old Madison avenue yard, which is now the new ESA LIRR station hall.the track is still accessible from east end and used in winter to store ballast hoppers with stone to prevent them from freezing. the inner loop was out of service for decades and only accessible to cars far shorter than 85 foot. only active GCT loop is on upper level. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Oct 30 09:53:59 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 30 09:37:30 2018. Thanks |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Tue Oct 30 10:00:17 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 30 09:37:30 2018. Which tracks turn into the upper loop? and where do they lead to on the east side of the level? |
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Posted by ro_jo on Tue Oct 30 10:56:40 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Tue Oct 30 10:00:17 2018. Tracks 38-42 all merge into the upper loop. This is why all Amtraks discharged on track 38 this summer.On the east side, the loop feeds back into tracks 1-3. These are not passenger tracks, they lie East of the storage tracks 4-10. All of 1-10 feed in to the east side ladders (M and O). In the trackway, near the east end of the upper level loop (on the ceiling) you can see the underside of the NYCT staircase connecting the North End of the 456 concourse to the "Lexington Passage" of GCT. The mezzanine of that station is pretty geometrically constrained due to the loop. What remains of the lower level loop is known as track 200. Also used for train storage. The remaining track is intact from the (north) end of its intersection with track 101, all the way south past "MP0"/the point where it would be tangent with 42nd st. I'd say ~100 degrees of loop is intact. As was said elsewhere, the inner level loop track is nearly completely gone with GCT and ESA facilities sitting directly in the former trackway. Personally I think the lower level loop trackway from Madison Yard (ESA Concourse) to the point of tangency with the NYCT facilities should be turned into a pedestrian concourse, to provide a little more connectivity to the new ESA facilities. It's not clear to me how deep the LL loop is, it's possible it actually is far enough down that it would connect beneath the 456 track level, perhaps to the mid-point mezzanine where the escalators on the west end of the 7 platform turn around. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 30 11:14:22 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Tue Oct 30 10:00:17 2018. tracks 37/38/39/40/41/42 all connect to west side of upper loop.on east side it connects to yard tracks 1/2/3. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 30 11:15:08 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 30 11:14:22 2018. sorry 37 is not connected |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 30 11:29:08 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ro_jo on Tue Oct 30 10:56:40 2018. It's not clear to me how deep the LL loop is, it's possible it actually is far enough down that it would connect beneath the 456 track level, perhaps to the mid-point mezzanine where the escalators on the west end of the 7 platform turn around.It's 33 steps down the stairway from the south side of 42nd street just east of Park to the 4/5/6 mezzanine. From the top of that stairway, it's gradually downhill to the top of any stairway that goes from the Upper Level to the Lower Level. Then it's a comparable flight of stairs down to the Lower level. So I would say the Lower Level itself is a few feet lower than the 4/5/6 mezzanine. Next, it's quite a ways down from the Lower Level to the tracks, whereas the steps from the 4/5/6 mezzanine to the 4/5/6 are a short flight. Therefore I would conclude that the Lower Level tracks are quite a few feet lower than the 4/5/6 tracks, maybe as much as 10 feet lower. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Oct 30 11:31:27 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ro_jo on Tue Oct 30 10:56:40 2018. I thought I left from 24 on Amtrak 281 this summer, but I can't swear to it for sure. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 11:48:17 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 30 07:50:58 2018. It's not a myth. The city council absolutely instituted and enforced those bans, excepting of course the elevated railroads and the steam dummies on the west side. The original ban was south of 14th Street, too. Without those very real bans, the waterfront terminals for CNJ, PRR, Erie, DL&W and the rest could have been stations within Manhattan instead. |
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Posted by jrf2 on Tue Oct 30 12:11:37 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 29 20:44:38 2018. I was talking about neeting the person on the platform. The conductor would only push the wheelcar on to the platform. I would have to push it after that since it was not an electric one. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Oct 30 12:17:45 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 29 12:17:16 2018. Anything like?They basicly are stretched R160s. |
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Posted by ro_jo on Tue Oct 30 12:45:30 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Tue Oct 30 11:31:27 2018. Yeah this summer the Amtraks left from Track 24. They all arrived on 38 AFAIK.Last summer all arrivals and departures left from 38. I believe the frequency was low enough in '17 that they could drop off passengers S/B on 38, turn the train around the loop, bring it up the east side landers to CP1, reverse back down to 38, and pick up passengers N/B In '18 they increased the number of trains such that this was no longer possible. S/B trains would still discharge passengers on 38 but when they reversed at CP1 they'd back in to 24 to pick-up pax for their N/B runs. This allowed 38 to be freed up earlier. The '18 pattern also allowed amtrak passengers to wait in the main concourse, which was somewhat nicer than the low-ceiling area out by 38 |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Tue Oct 30 12:49:30 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ro_jo on Tue Oct 30 10:56:40 2018. Wait a second...since when does Amtrak operate out of GCT again??Thought they stopped doing that in the '90s. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Oct 30 13:00:53 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ro_jo on Tue Oct 30 12:45:30 2018. Ok, that makes sense. They did have us wait in the small room back by the train master's office. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Oct 30 13:04:23 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Tue Oct 30 12:49:30 2018. Amtrak went to GCT on a temporary basis this summer to facilitate repairs to the Spuyten Duyvil bridge, and the West side connection. Last summer, they diverted some trains to assist with the NYP repair projects. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 30 15:59:01 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 29 12:49:22 2018. And they were wrong--not uncommon for a regulatory entity. To decide that an organization cannot have separate bargaining units representing different operational parts is stupid. A merged seniority list with full rights to move laterally between operating divisions without prejudice should be possible. Look at the megamergers of the Class 1s. Disparate block signal systems have been replaced with a 'system standard' (albeit more slowly on some lines) allowing crews to be able to work more territory without confusion.(Much as I love Color Position Light block signals, I get it that having a single CSX signal system will improve safety.) Every "special" aspect of equipment/operational practices/ticket forms, etc between the ex NYC, LIRR and NYNH&H segments is a waste. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 17:05:00 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Oct 29 13:06:17 2018. Then why was there no problem merging the commuter operations of the PRR, Erie/Lackawanna and Jersey Central into one central NJT? The same with SEPTA which merged the Pa and western NJ commuter operations of the PRR with the commuter operations of the Reading into SEPTA. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 17:10:50 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 04:02:44 2018. At one time it was probably anticipated that removing Amtrak from GCT would fee up enough tracks to allow LIRR access to unused tracks. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 30 17:36:20 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 04:06:13 2018. The local Penn Station - Warren Street fare is still 80 cents, though not outbound 4pm to 6pm |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 30 17:38:26 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 17:05:00 2018. NJT happened all at once inheriting and all the legacy railroads had already morphed in 1976 into Conrail. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 30 18:35:59 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by ro_jo on Tue Oct 30 12:45:30 2018. On weekends at least not all arrived on 38, but always one of the four loop tracks (I ended up on 39 or 40 several times).The final day I departed track 23, there was another train being backed onto 24 a few minutes before they allowed us to board. It was the only time I ever saw them use 23 for Amtrak outside of the AM when the Maple Leaf and Adirondack would leave from 23 and 24 within 30 minutes of each other. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 30 18:42:34 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by jrf2 on Tue Oct 30 12:11:37 2018. Ah. The way SEPTA is implementing it on their Regional Rail, entering and exiting one of the turnstiled stations without going anywhere is supposed to refund the entire fare. So you'd probably need a card with a same-zone fare on it, but it would never need refilling. This was more intended for people who wanted to go out and buy a snack or something while waiting, because they decided to painstakingly exclude everything resembling a shop or vending machine from the paid zone. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 19:31:15 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 17:10:50 2018. By whom? There's still that matter of third rail incompatibility. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Oct 30 20:28:03 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 19:31:15 2018. not anymore, the shoes on M-8's can handle both and have been tested on both types. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 30 21:23:05 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 30 17:36:20 2018. Which was also the old policy from the PCC era. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 30 21:32:23 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 17:05:00 2018. PWN3D! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 22:21:33 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 17:05:00 2018. Who is to say there was no problem? Looks like several ongoing problems. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 30 22:23:55 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 17:05:00 2018. because the perceived political power was with Sepa and NJT respectively. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 23:33:37 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 30 19:31:15 2018. If the excess tracks were turned completely over to the LIRR the 3rd rail could have been changed. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 23:36:04 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 30 17:38:26 2018. That should be of little consequence if the right politicians want to get involved. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 31 01:11:26 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 23:33:37 2018. Assuming Dutchrailnut is correct, and any newer cars for either RR are delivered with the "compatible" shoes, the issue is solved. This would be a great move toward unification. Next should be the change of the catenary S of the phase break to 60hz so any EMUs can run anywhere with less deadweight electrical hardware. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 31 01:30:56 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 31 01:11:26 2018. No it isn't, and "unification" means less service. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 31 01:31:54 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 23:33:37 2018. That's a waste of dough, and it's not right to presume them "excess".Of course, this whole project in any form is a waste of dough. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 31 01:35:22 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 30 17:36:20 2018. Inflation calculator says that 25¢ from the 80s is equivalent to about 57¢ today. So you're getting gouged for half the frequency. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Oct 31 08:48:45 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 30 17:10:50 2018. I don't think the platform tracks were the big issue.The issue was how to tie the 63th street tunnel into the tracks without enormous temporary and significant permanent disruptions to MNRR operations. GCT is a beautiful station with a ton of tracks, but having only 4 tracks in/out with no provisions to add more was a big design flaw. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Oct 31 09:27:58 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by LA Scott on Wed Oct 31 08:48:45 2018. Isn't it 8, 4 on 2 levels? |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Oct 31 09:55:36 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Oct 31 09:27:58 2018. It is 4 tracks on 1 level from north of the Harlem river until around 57th street.From 57 - 52 they spread out to 8 tracks across 2 levels, but all in a tight space fitting under Park Ave. The tracks start going under some buildings (actually buildings were built over the tracks) between 52 and 50,and the main part of the complex really begins at 50th. In all that space there are no bellmouths, preserved ROW, or even tracks lining up with streets that would facilitate additional tracks into/out of the facility. While anything is possible with enough time, money, and disruption, I don't see any good way to get a deep tunnel under 63rd and 2nd avenue into the GCT Complex in a way that would not hurt MNRR already constrained capacity. |
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Posted by ro_jo on Wed Oct 31 11:08:11 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 30 18:35:59 2018. Interesting! Thanks for the info |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 31 15:29:03 2018, in response to Re: Tour of East Side Abscess New LIRR Terminal Taking Shape Beneath Grand Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 31 01:30:56 2018. Did the unification of the BMT with the iND in 1967 result in a service reduction? |
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