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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 14 17:02:40 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 14 16:43:55 2018. IAWTP. I've used it for that purpose. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 14 17:03:23 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 14 16:55:48 2018. Perhaps, but oddly enough, once the station was rebuilt, and actually had a paved parking lot, the riderhip went WAY up. It now is used more by the "Hamptons like" area south, than the northern, poorer area.I think the poorer area wanted it as an option, but sadly many of them don't have use for NYC bound traffic, they rely much more heavily there on bus routes and more local modes. It may have been the poor side that saved it, but it's the south side that uses it way more now. It's just how the cards fell over the last 20 years I guess. Here's bellport in the early 90's, it was a wreck.    And "today":  Those are all my photos. Here's Center Moriches from the 90's, I forgot to link it in my last post. It was nicer than some of the others. 
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 14 17:16:44 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 14 17:03:23 2018. One of the Moriches should be put back.Once the Port Jeff Branch got CTC all the way to Port Jeff in the late-1980's, it was the chief Service Planner's job (or else), to send a Port Jeff Scoot east in the morning to make 8am class at SUNY Stony Brook. I am surprised they have not demanded the Southampton College station restoration now that they have taken over some of the facilities there. The South Shore lost some more college business in 2016 at Oakdale when Dowling College went belly up. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 14 17:20:01 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 14 16:57:17 2018. Do you have pictures of:Holbrook Manorville, Aquebogue, Jamesport, Laurel, Cutchogue, Peconic ? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 14 17:27:07 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 14 17:16:44 2018. And Patchogue too. While they still have St Joseph's,Briarcliff recently closed (and Ironically, the former Briarcliff building is now being built as the new Blue Point Brewery facility by Anheuser Busch.Patchogue is exploding. It was a wreck in mid 90's, and now it's all bars and restaurants on Main St, and filled with people till all hours of the night. Lots of new construction there too. High density (for Suffolk). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 14 17:29:32 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 14 17:20:01 2018. No. Just the locations of most of those. I only started taking photos in the late 80's, and most of mine are from the early 90's.I will look though. Will post them tomorrow, I am off my laptop until tomorrow, and it's too hard on the phone. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 14 18:30:39 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 14 17:20:01 2018. Here's Jamesport in the late 60s. All 2nd hand surplus equiptment. That's one rough looking train!
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 14 18:34:40 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 14 18:30:39 2018. The B&O car up front still exists somewhere, sheething removed. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 14 18:50:52 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 14 18:30:39 2018. Peconic in 1966. Timetable listed as a "flag" stop. On Sundays, it would deliver the Daily News & NY Times.
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 14 19:01:22 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 14 18:50:52 2018. RPO car would be there Mon-Sat, though it may have been killed by that time. The typical consist was 3 P72/P74 coaches. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 14 19:06:04 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 14 18:50:52 2018. Peconic_Lane_today |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 14 21:01:16 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 14 16:22:12 2018. Thank you. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Feb 14 21:48:12 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 14 18:30:39 2018. I have one in the same spot in 1992 and it looks the same!!! |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Feb 14 22:20:15 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 13 12:09:14 2018. I'll guess that the connection from the Lower Montauk to 63 St would have been via a new tunnel underneath Sunnyside and Harold. Not the way I would have done it-- I would have planned a tunnel to 23 St, but by the time the 63 St tunnel was constructed, this was probably the sort of thinking going around. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 15 00:06:47 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 14 15:36:44 2018. Population density is a demographic attributeLo@lm. Age. Gender(s). Race/nationality. Marital status. Education. These are real demographics. Isn't southeast Queens more single family houses? Bayside is mostly single family homes. There are some apartment buildings around the station, and that's the case around SE Queens too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 15 00:07:50 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 15 00:06:47 2018. Age. Gender(s). Race/nationality. Marital status. Education.These are real demographics Not religion? (Oh yeah, I forgot; only "Irish Catholicism" is a religion to you.) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 15 00:34:32 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 15 00:07:50 2018. Not religion?Not really. (Oh yeah, I forgot; only "Irish Catholicism" is a religion to you.) Not it isn't. They're anything but a religion. They are a political group. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Feb 15 07:16:26 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 11:32:45 2018. Sounds like they deliberately underinvested, so that they could then claim "no one rides it" and shut it down. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Feb 15 08:33:08 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 14 11:34:28 2018. only two or three rural stops in NassauI would say "suburban." And while population does go up from Little Neck and west, it's not as if the train is transitioning from farmland to skyscrapers at Little Neck. St. Albans/Rosedale et.al. are served by trains from Nassau and Suffolk who's passengers do not want to have extra stops in Queens. I don't think any commuter wants to have any stops between their origin and destination, but it's a great way to prevent having to incur all of the costs of service yourself. Perhaps the difference here is that Port Washington riders in a sense practically feel as if they are already in Queens, such that those extra Queens stops seem natural, while on the other hand, westbound runs reaching St. Albans have often already quite a bit of mileage covered in Nassau/Suffolk. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 15 10:06:59 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 15 00:06:47 2018. Exactly |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 15 10:10:29 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Feb 15 07:16:26 2018. Yes, that is probably the case. It's also the case on the mainline east of Ronkonkoma, although there is beginning to be some political pull to finally expand service there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 15 10:14:41 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 14 11:34:28 2018. On the Port Washington branch Queens is the bulk of the passengers what with only two or three rural stops in Nassau.There are no "rural" stops in Nassau. It's hard to find "rural" locations in western suffolk, much less Nassau. St. Albans/Rosedale et.al. are served by trains from Nassau and Suffolk who's passengers do not want to have extra stops in Queens. Rosedale's service is not bad at all. Also, Locust Manor is also fairly close to St Albans (as far as LIRR station spacing goes). It's interesting that they kept St Albans open at all after they closed Springfield Gardens, but someone mentioned some veterans home or something nearby. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 15 10:15:15 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Feb 15 07:16:26 2018. Deliberately degrading is not the same as deliberately "underinvesting". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 15 10:23:35 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 15 10:14:41 2018. There are no "rural" stops in NassauNo, not any more. Back when the PW branch was electrified, there were still "rural" stops in Queens. Now imagine trying to extend the PW branch to Sands Point. Never mind Roslyn, as was originally intended. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 15 10:46:54 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 15 10:23:35 2018. Another Branch few people talk about that the LIRR foolishly abandoned is the Wading River Branch. While at the time, it was rural, today, just think of the relief on Route 347 and 25A that branch would allow. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Feb 15 19:44:48 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 14:35:48 2018. That's right. When I was at our client in Long Island City, I had to work pretty hard to make sure I got everything done by 4:35 or so if I wanted to walk back to the station and use the evening train. It was usually worth it, especially in the late spring and summer when one could actually enjoy the ride, but not everyone could do that sort of thing. Working for a contractor, I have the luxury of leaving whenever the work is done. Others have to remain at their posts until at least 5. I don't recall the morning train having any useful connections for me, so I'm not sure I ever actually used it. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Feb 15 19:51:40 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 15 10:14:41 2018. The VA hospital is within walking distance of St. Albans station. That and locals who don't have subway service keep St. Albans station alive. Probably much of the patronage is to/from the west, so those people don't care whether the train is local or express or if it even goes anywhere east of St. Albans. Laurelton and Locust Manor picked up the slack from Springfield Gardens. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 16 23:34:48 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by lirr42 on Fri Feb 9 14:17:25 2018. Again, your ridiculous loop would have a run time that would negate any benefit of this service |
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Posted by Think twice on Sun Feb 18 15:01:35 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 10 00:53:53 2018. Maybe they can weave it into the 63rd Street tunnel like this: |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 18 15:46:23 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 10 00:53:53 2018. The 1980s plan was to run a commuter train to a station that would have connected to an extended 63rd Street line. It was a proposal to make use of the "tunnel to nowhere." The other plans were to build the 63rd Street Line as planned to Forest Hills, to extend to a station at Northern Boulevard for a transfer to the IND or to connect to the QB Line. The latter is what was done. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 18 15:48:28 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Think twice on Sun Feb 18 15:01:35 2018. This is an IMPOSSIBILITY!The LIRR Bellmouths for this line area about where your map reads "Sunnyside Gardens" |
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Posted by lirr42 on Sun Feb 18 20:49:42 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 16 23:34:48 2018. Despite the added distance it would still be a time improvement over taking the bus to the subway from the communities along the Lower Montauk Branch or taking the subway a dozen or more stops from eastern Brooklyn/southern Queens.And instead of building the Sunnyside station right outside the tunnels where it will tie up everything, they could build it along the Montauk Cutoff right next to Queens Plaza, so people can transfer to a much shorter ride on the E, M, or R trains and get to their destinations even faster... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 19 02:20:38 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by lirr42 on Sun Feb 18 20:49:42 2018. Yup.And it could be tied into the BQX using battery packs and charging stations.. Plus some stronger rail cars. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 19 02:22:54 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by lirr42 on Sun Feb 18 20:49:42 2018. Yup.And it could be tied into the BQX using battery packs and charging stations.. Plus some stronger rail cars. Heck... A whole new system of light rail routes can be built using former ROWs and some street running. If only the MTA was as forward thinking to get it all done. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 19 09:50:23 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 19 02:22:54 2018. Harumph...Government + Good Works = Oxymoron ROAR |
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Posted by mrw on Fri Sep 27 21:58:07 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 19 09:50:23 2018. How much frequent are the freight trains on this branch currently? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 28 08:21:10 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by sloth on Fri Feb 9 23:10:31 2018. or dunton... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 28 08:51:56 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 10 11:20:04 2018. nah. extend brooklyn service under atlantic avenue into a new tunnel into lower manhattan...the original plan before penn station came about.and you can't blame local railfans' fascination with lower montalk. it's an oddball line for new york city. from what i can see, it's close in spirit to local railroad lines throughout the country. passes through really old (relatively speaking) residential and industrial areas. has freight service, had passenger service. and it served cemeteries too. in the list of all the nyc-area trains I've ridden that ya can't ride no more, that branch runs high on the list of enviable railfan experiences. like the time i walked from jamaica to the richmond hill station and boarded a rush hour train to long island city. richmond hill around the station is a damn fine example of what turn-of-the-(last)-century suburbs looked like, and station is a magnificent remnant of that time period. walking up to the platform there to catch a train was like jumping back a hundred years. too bad that passenger service didn't last long enough to be able to catch a ferry there to midtown and downtown though... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 28 09:25:01 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 12 18:51:15 2018. note: i've taken trains from elmhurst, springfield gardens and, my favorite, union hall street. one time a cousin who lived in richmond hill snuck me down into woodhaven station. which i do remember seeing a very few stops at woodhaven listed in pocket timetables. late sixties, early seventies i guess.just puttin'in my two cents... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 28 09:35:23 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 19:20:39 2018. i took a hike, summer of 72, right after high school graduation islip to montauk walking east along the tracks. (ok, i cheated by the third day, hitched from hampton bays the rest of the way. though that was after two days of walking; two nights of sleeping in woods near the r.o.w.).anyway, in july, 1972 anyway, bayport, at least did have a shelter similar to the original great river shelter. i know because i had written "montauk or bust" with a magic marker on the wall of the shelter. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 28 09:46:24 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 19:25:04 2018. lol, and here i'm thinking myself a big shot having ridden the line three times.still really appreciated having real passenger trains running along the route. the early railroading aspect of it was a railfan delight. i mean, this was a real branch line experience. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 28 09:55:46 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 12 19:04:48 2018. pissed to this day that s.g. was closed. "mainly" because i liked being able to see rosedale station from the train running up through st. albans. and having two separate electric train lines running through that neighborhood, each with their own station was unusual for the lirr. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 28 12:22:27 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by sloth on Fri Feb 9 23:10:31 2018. Why is it such a bad idea?Queens lacks the most connectivity out of all the boroughs except Staten island. Another east west route would be great! Using this route for subway service would get the most bang for the buck, but building a light rail network from the ground up is a massive undertaking. It Can be done. Looking around the country, even within our own backyard, successful systems are up and running. With miles and miles of underused ROWs, in Every borough,New York can carve out a "Second System" that could potentially be it's future. Triboro RX,BQT and Montauk.. even a Staten island route using the bridge.. Anything is possible. |
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Posted by mrw on Sat Sep 28 12:25:31 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 19 09:50:23 2018. How much frequent are the freight trains on this branch currently? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Sep 28 14:18:02 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 28 12:22:27 2019. Why is it such a bad idea?Queens lacks the most connectivity out of all the boroughs except Staten island. Another east west route would be great! The reason it's a bad idea is that it does not provide subway access to those who lack it. Only 47.3% of Queens residents live within 1/2 mile of a subway station. The figures for Brooklyn, the Bronx and Manhattan are: 78%; 77% and 98.1%, respectively. They also have a lot of residents who live a long way from a subway station. Only 78.1% live within 1.5 miles of a subway station. The comparable figures for Brooklyn, the Bronx and Manhattan are: 98.2%; 96.8% and 99.9% respectively. How will the proposed Lower Montauk extension address this situation. The 1/2 mile walk to subway percentage will be increased from 47.3% to 49.0%. The number of Queens residents living within 1.5 miles of a subway stop will remain at 78.1% |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 28 20:28:52 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Sep 28 14:18:02 2019. I did say "network". |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by sloth on Sat Sep 28 22:44:12 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 28 12:22:27 2019. Since you asked. The endpoints of the Montauk are well covered by the E train. It manages to miss every population center along the way-- despite roughly paralleling Metropolitan Ave!-- except perhaps Richmond Hill which has a subway stop five blocks in either direction. Maybe if you squint hard enough the old Fresh Pond stop, halfway between Ridgewood and Maspeth yet convenient to neither, could attract a handful of riders. Whereas the Rockaway line, which you did not mention in your second system of pie in the sky money pits, at least would have a clear purpose and an actual ridership if rail was relaid there. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Sep 28 22:57:46 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 28 20:28:52 2019. I did say "network".With miles and miles of underused ROWs, in Every borough,New York can carve out a "Second System" that could potentially be it's future. Triboro RX,BQT and Montauk.. even a Staten island route using the bridge.. Anything is possible. First, it's not possible to use the VZ for light rail. The way Ammann's bridges came in under budget is that he reduced their live load capacity. The VZ has less live load capacity than the WB, Manhattan or Queensboro. Second, the railroad rights of way were once used for passenger service. The Dual System and IND First System duplicated much of that service and drove the railroads out of business. Thus, reviving them would not provide service to those who currently lacking such service. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Sep 28 23:57:06 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by sloth on Sat Sep 28 22:44:12 2019. Whereas the Rockaway line, which you did not mention in your second system of pie in the sky money pits, at least would have a clear purpose and an actual ridership if rail was relaid there.The Rockaway Beach Line is another project that duplicates existing service. It would increase the percentage of Queens residents within 1/2 mile of a subway stop from 47.3% to 47.9%. It would have no effect of providing closer service for residents currently at 1.25 or more miles from a subway stop. That percentage would remain 74.7%. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 29 10:18:46 2019, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by ntrainride on Sat Sep 28 08:21:10 2019. You know you responded to a message from February 2018, right?Anyway, whenever I see that name AECOM, I think of an institution we have here in the Bronx that uses the same initials: the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Is the name of the engineering firm an acronym for anything? |
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