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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 10:07:40 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 10 10:22:20 2018. refurbish two or three stationsRefurbish? there was nothing at most of those stations anyway, even when trains stopped before 1998! Aside from Richmond Hill of course, or a makeshift shed at Fresh Pond....the rest were just stops on a grade crossing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 10:10:35 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 10 13:53:24 2018. Because the service was absurd. That's why. There was only ONE local train in the morning (in thee 8:15 leaving Jamaica, and arriving at LIC around 8:45). And in the evening there was one local train the other way around 5:15-5:45) stopping at all the "stations", and a "semi Local" train just about 10 minutes before that stopping only at Penny Bridge, Haberman, and Fresh Pond).If you couldn't arrange your travel in those short time periods for those three trains, you were shit out of luck. So obviously "no one" rode. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 10:18:09 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 10 18:08:01 2018. You are absolutely correct. It's a demand that's been decades (not years) in the coming. The joke of a service they ran on it unril 1998 was just that, a joke. And just skimming through Ridgewood as it does will bring much ridership. Ridgewood is hipster heaven right, and that is in part due to the M train being rerouted in 2010 (yes, I know repair has bothered that a bit but the M will be back).Maspeth and all along the western end of this ROW will be condo and high end rental heaven if this line ever ran through there. I agree though about it must have a Manhattan connection. It wouldn't get the ridership they are projecting with out it. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 12 10:33:54 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 11 22:13:47 2018. You cannot get to the 63rd from the LowerM... Take a look at the maps.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 12 10:35:33 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 11 13:51:54 2018. Yes, even on an existing ROW... Once you have paid off the politicians the mob and the labor onions.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 12 11:18:01 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 10:10:35 2018. They kept the train because the charter said so.They never had any intention of providing SERVICE on that line. ROAR |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 11:32:45 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 12 11:18:01 2018. I am aware of the reasoning, and why it remained for so long.But the issue is of the "well no one rode". Well that's why. How can anyone be expected to use a service were there is only one train a day local in each direction! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 11:36:48 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 10 11:43:17 2018. There is no source, because it's incorrect information. the LIRR (hence MTA) owns the right of way. The tracks are LEASED to NY&A. That lease agreement may also stipulate that they maintain the trackage too, but am not sure of that. But all what matters is that the NY&A does NOT own the ROW, the LIRR always did, and still does, regardless of the leasing that took place in I believe 2010 when the MTA stopped sending the express passeneger train through. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 11:42:40 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 11:32:45 2018. But was that one rush hour train in each direction well used?If you gave me one train per day each way that allowed me to spend 8 hours at work, I might go out of my way to try to arrange my work schedule to use that train. But if not many people did that (say, because transferring to the 7 at Vernon Jackson and then maybe to another train in Manhattan took too long), then it could have been reasonable to expect that more trains wouldn't bring proportionately more people. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 11:44:09 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 11:36:48 2018. Since Lion asserted something with great conviction, I thought it was reasonable to ask for a source.Given his silence it's pretty obvious where his information came from. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 12 11:57:57 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 11:42:40 2018. NOPE.... If I lived there (I had a friend who did) you would take the bus down to the Hillside line.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 12 11:59:50 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 11:44:09 2018. Source of LION was LIRR. They could no longer sent their trains that way. New dispatching and everything for that line. Financials are beyond the ken of said lion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 13:02:36 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 12 11:18:01 2018. Given that service no longer runs, I think the charter myth has been mostly disproved. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 13:25:37 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 13:02:36 2018. Maybe a mythological session of the NY State Legislature in 2015 revoked the charter provision. :) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 14:35:48 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 11:42:40 2018. It was too early in the evening. You had to be AT LIC station by 4:50 to ust evening one, and it was too late in the morning for most normal business hours. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 14:39:13 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 13:02:36 2018. It was actually not a myth, but obviously they finally revised the ancient 1800s stipulation that the land of the ROW reverts to the adjoining property owners on ceasation of passenger service. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 14:40:29 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 13:25:37 2018. It wasn't a myth that that stipulation was in the LIRR charter for the line. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 14:49:10 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 14:39:13 2018. Do you have evidence of this? And with whom was the stipulation? If it were with the property owners, there would have been records of this and it would have made the papers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 14:49:55 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 14:40:29 2018. Proff? |
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Posted by sloth on Mon Feb 12 14:51:08 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 11 22:13:47 2018. The mainline tracks will be fine. Harold will become the bottleneck. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:00:55 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 12 11:59:50 2018. Yes, because it's leased to NYA. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 15:02:15 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 14:49:10 2018. And if it were a covenant to the property owners, at least one owner would have sued. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:07:38 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 14:49:10 2018. There were links posted years ago from the LIRRs original charter. The railroad was operating under that original charter until fairly recently. In fact, I believe I saw the oldest surviving railroad still doing so until recently. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:08:18 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 15:02:15 2018. Not if the original charter wasn't still in use. It was till recently |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 15:21:16 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:08:18 2018. What? So was it a charter or a covenant? Those are two different things. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 15:27:00 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:07:38 2018. The LIRR's original charter has nothing to do with the Lower Montauk branch as the LIRR's original charter was from Brooklyn to Greenport. The Lower Montauk was built by the South Side Railroad of Long Island, which later merged with the LIRR. The SSRLI no longer exists under any charter.Of course, why would the LIRR's charter have any effect on one piece of railroad that it owns and not another? This also contradicts your claim elsewhere in the thread that it is a covenant with the property owners. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:42:08 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 15:27:00 2018. The LIRR bought the South side this it's charters. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 15:46:12 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 12 09:55:03 2018. "Passenger service on that line is very much a demand in if had good service."Please parse this sentence for me. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 15:47:37 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 12 11:18:01 2018. That can't be the reason, because the charter still exists. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 15:49:04 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 15:21:16 2018. Either way, no evidence that it was done away with, if it ever existed. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 15:52:56 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 15:47:37 2018. My vote is in favor of Cuomo, Silver, and Skelos (or Bruno) sitting in a smoke-filled room a few years ago and Cuomo says the MTA wants to get rid of those 3 trains per day.One of the other guys says "What about the Charter?" And Cuomo says, "Screw the Charter, we run this state." |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 15:55:15 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 15:52:56 2018. Could well be! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:56:45 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 15:21:16 2018. Could be a covenant within the charter. I have no idea, but the stipulation was posted here some years ago by someone.In any event how else could you explain the ridiculous quirky service that was run from the 50s (maybe earlier) to 1998, if not for that. It's obvious they didn't want to run the service if they didn't have to. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:59:59 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 15:52:56 2018. Well it was 4 trains, two full local, one Express and one semi local. Both westbound in the morning, and both eastbound in the evening. Oddly, the two in the morning back to back, and also in the evening back to back. If they were more spread out at least LIC would have been semi usable. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 16:04:18 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 15:46:12 2018. Sorry, phone does that.Passenger service on that line is very much in demand if it had good service. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 16:08:31 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:59:59 2018. How about fear of encroachment?If you run a train per day, you know that no one will encroach on the line. If you go a year without running any trains, who knows what kind of storage sheds you'll find, and then if you just go and demolish them, people will sue. (This assumes that there was a time when there weren't guaranteed freights on a regular basis.) |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 16:08:55 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 15:49:04 2018. There has to be something to it. Think of all the lines the LIRR abandoned.....lines with actual good station infrastructure, as well as better ridership. But they left that service, with two locals, stopping at basically non existent stations, or clearences in the weeds at grade crossings, till 1998? |
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LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 16:08:59 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:56:45 2018. Sometimes I wonder why people spend so much time here speculating about stuff that a simple Google search will reveal.This MTA link on page 99, has a copy of the LIRR charter as revised in 1980. It is only a few paragraphs long. Whatever the original 1834 charter said, it no longer existed after 1980. And since that date it has had no mention of any such covenant or requirement that trains be run over the Lower Montauk. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 16:11:39 2018, in response to LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018), posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 16:08:59 2018. Pig is right though, that line was Southside, from Bushwick (via Fresh Pond) to Patchogue (via Locust Manor) The line from LIC to Freshpond was not original. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 16:16:36 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 16:08:31 2018. Yes, except for the fact that it applied to the passenger trains, not frieght as mentioned. Freight was never the issue. It it was, the quirky service passenger trains could have been abandoned in the 40s or 50s. |
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Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 16:26:44 2018, in response to Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 16:11:39 2018. Yep, it was the South Side RR. Here is an exhaustive history of the South Side. There are plenty of disputes with property owners detailed, but not one word about any covenant requiring that trains be run there in perpetuity.BTW, the 1980 amendment to the LIRR charter puts the lie to the many statements that the LIRR is the oldest RR still runing under its original name and charter. Name yes, charter no. |
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Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 16:28:29 2018, in response to Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 16:11:39 2018. Also, it's not actually necessarily the original LIRR charter, it's the charter for that line, whichever part of the line. It was actually built in two sections through there, with the Freshpond to Jamaica section older than the LIC to Freshpond section. It may not even apply to the whole line, or both sections. |
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Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 16:39:54 2018, in response to Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 16:28:29 2018. If the same company (South Side) built the line, it's the same charter. Anyway, no one has supplied a copy of any language that supports this idea that the charter required it to be maintained or else. And in any event, I just proved that any such language, if it existed, was done away with at least by 1980 if not earlier, and the trains were not abandoned till much later. |
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Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 16:44:18 2018, in response to Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018), posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 16:39:54 2018. Which leaves the puzzle of why they ran that stupid schedule that positively discouraged people from using the trains. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 16:44:27 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 15:42:08 2018. TNHIW. Do you know what a corporate charter is? |
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Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 16:52:18 2018, in response to Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018), posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 16:44:18 2018. Exactly |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Feb 12 16:54:26 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 16:44:27 2018. The LIRR would be required to do whatever was required by Southside. |
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Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 17:01:07 2018, in response to Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018), posted by AlM on Mon Feb 12 16:44:18 2018. Inertia. |
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Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 17:01:46 2018, in response to Re: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) could cost over $2 Billion, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 16:44:27 2018. Spider, read my posts. |
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Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 12 17:03:54 2018, in response to Re: LIRR CHARTER: Lower Montauk Branch Passenger Rail Study (Final Report 2018), posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 16:39:54 2018. And in any event, there is no such thing as a charter for a line. The charter that you cited is a charter for a corporation. There is no evidence that the LIRR has owned this line through a subsidiary or that the SSRLI still exists in any corporate form. |
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