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Posted by renee gil on Sun Mar 10 22:50:17 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 14:30:52 2013. Parachute Jump was moved to Coney Island in 1941, after the 1939-40 World's Fair ended in October, 1940. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Mar 10 22:56:03 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by renee gil on Sun Mar 10 22:50:17 2013. Did it take the subway? |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Mar 10 22:56:07 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 10 17:56:49 2013. Yep, and the construction on the IND Fulton St. Subway (the Rockaway Av - Euclid Ave portion) ended in early 1942. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Mar 10 23:02:51 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by zac on Sun Mar 10 22:56:03 2013. Nah. |
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Posted by trains61 on Sun Mar 10 23:49:25 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 10 20:47:33 2013. Good info. I`ve often wondered about that extention on the Manhattanbound side that is gated off. IIRC During the 60`s and 70`s trains were staged there after the Mets games. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 11 05:50:53 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by renee gil on Sun Mar 10 22:56:07 2013. I'm surprised that construction didn't end earlier once Pearl harbor was attacked. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 11 05:52:48 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 10 22:11:53 2013. IAWTP!!!!! |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Mar 11 07:23:06 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 11 05:50:53 2013. Contruction on Atlantic Avenue for the LIRR continued throughout the war. I think it was so Atlantic Av could be used as a major truck route to deliver war materials from the manufacturing plants in Queens and on Long Island to the Brooklyn docks. That project was completed in 1944. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Mar 11 07:56:31 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Mar 10 21:37:35 2013. The extra wide gap plates were removed during the various station renovations of the last 20 years. You can still see the extra wide plate at 111th St.Yes, this is true. I've seen this myself. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 11 08:33:24 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by trains61 on Sun Mar 10 23:49:25 2013. The way things look so far in 2013, the MTA isn't going to have to worry much about providing enough post-game service.... |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Mar 11 11:04:39 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 10 14:59:51 2013. A few used copies still available:http://www.amazon.com/Subway-Worlds-Fair-Fred-Kramer/dp/1882727037/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1363014058&sr=1-1&keywords=SUBWAY+TO+THE+WORLD%27S+FAIR |
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Posted by blue8irt on Mon Mar 11 11:08:38 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Dan on Mon Mar 11 11:04:39 2013. While we are talking about the 1939 fair, why is the IRT car in Staten Island still not restored? I know, no parts, parts taken off, etc. But surely by now something can be done to complete this project. It just seesm so impossible. But there are other cars, older than that one, which are running at complete. I'm just asking. I'm just saying. |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Mar 11 11:46:50 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by blue8irt on Mon Mar 11 11:08:38 2013. What IRT car in Staten Island? Where? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Mon Mar 11 11:51:16 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Dan on Mon Mar 11 11:46:50 2013. I,m sure he means coney island yard. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Mar 11 11:58:12 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by tunnelrat on Mon Mar 11 11:51:16 2013. I,m sure he means coney island yard.Its easy to get those islands mixed up, Coney Island, Staten Island, Devil's Island. That's why I live on the mainland. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Mar 11 12:12:41 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 10 15:09:12 2013. That's what surprised me also. I expected a flimsy woods structure with two tracks and an island platform, not a real station. Great find. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Mar 11 12:51:29 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Mar 10 21:29:52 2013. But people paid that extra nickel in the evening, instead of having to trudge back to Willets Point all at once. By then they all had been walking around the grounds all day,doing stuff. And admittedly, the IND was still only the 8th Ave line for much of the fair.That's was one of the complaints voiced about the 1964 - 65 World's Fair. The Lake Amusement Area was located in the same area as in the 1938 - 39 World's Fair and would stay open some hours later than the main fairgrounds. People leaving the Amusement Area late at night has a long walk back along deserted streets and closed pavilions to get back to the IRT. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 11 12:54:32 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Mar 9 20:49:28 2013. Local or express? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 11 13:10:00 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Mar 11 11:58:12 2013. But not Rikers Island...That one would stand out. No confusion there!:) |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Mar 11 16:13:56 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Mar 11 11:58:12 2013. do not forget city island, roosevelt island.chud1 |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 11 16:44:13 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 11 08:33:24 2013. Not for the Yanks, either. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 11 17:08:36 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by chud1 on Mon Mar 11 16:13:56 2013. And HART Island, da Bronx. :)
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 11 17:39:39 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Mar 11 07:56:31 2013. Similar gap plates were installed on the Lex Av Line N/O G/Cent all the way to Hunts Pt on the Pelham and 149 Upper on the Jerome. With the various station rehabs that have taken place over the years, I think most, if not all, of them have been removed when new platform floorings were installed. There might have been similar ones on the Pelham and Jerome el stations as well, but I never paid attention and with the wooden platforms having been replaced by concrete ones, any that did exist would have been removed also. |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Mar 11 17:47:58 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 11 17:08:36 2013. forgot about that one.chud1 |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 11 18:14:47 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 11 16:44:13 2013. The Yankees will still draw 3 million because people want to see Jeter, Cano and especially Rivera. They just won't draw 4 million. Citi Field only has 42,000 seats, so even if the Mets sell out every single one of the 81 homes games, they will only draw 3.2 million - and they will not be selling out all of their home games. The Mets have gone down in attendance every year since Citi Field opened in 2009. I don't think they will break 2 million this year. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Mar 11 21:15:07 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 11 13:10:00 2013. Rikers' Island is off-topic; no rail lines. However, if we propose a rail line to Rikers' Island, that would make it on-topic. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 11 21:19:27 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by chud1 on Mon Mar 11 16:13:56 2013. Don't forget Governor's Island. One of the city's great landmarks along with 4th Avenue and the Williamsburg Bridge. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Mar 11 21:24:09 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 10 14:24:54 2013. At first I thought the bottom picture was a colorized version of the top one, or the top one a greyscale version of the bottom one. Then I realized the difference of all the cars on top that aren't there in the bottom photo, as well as that the one car in the parking lot that is in the bottom photo is facing the opposite way from the car in a similar position on top, and other differences like the presence of the flags in the color photo, and one more tower showing on the left in the B&W one. Finally, the symbols of the fair, the "trylon and the perisphere", are not visible at all in the top (B&W) photo. You'd think they should be. Is it just that there was no contrast between them and the surrounding bright sky, so they appear "invisible" in the black-and-white picture? Otherwise, the two shots are remarkably similar. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Mar 11 23:53:47 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Mar 11 21:24:09 2013. 6 car consist (b/w) vs 4 car consist (color) proves its not the same photo. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 12 00:31:56 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. That photo is also in a book I bought at Philly Museum, about the World's Fair Line."Subway To The World's Fair" by Frederick Kramer. Kramer is out of NJ. Great book with lots of photos |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 12 02:45:07 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. As long as several related topics were brought up, does anyone know whet ever became of the Interlocking machine at the W/F tower? I would imagine it was a model 14 US&S like the rest of the Qns Blvd ones from Ctl north. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 12 03:58:03 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. http://www.amazon.com/Subway-Worlds-Fair-Fred-Kramer/dp/1882727037 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 12 03:58:05 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. http://www.amazon.com/Subway-Worlds-Fair-Fred-Kramer/dp/1882727037 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 12 03:58:07 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. http://www.amazon.com/Subway-Worlds-Fair-Fred-Kramer/dp/1882727037 |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Mar 12 04:27:51 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 11 21:19:27 2013. forgot that one. my mind is shot.chud1 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 12 07:52:04 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 10 18:08:03 2013. Around the time of the 1964 World's Fair, Leo Cusick, then the dept head of RTTD (today's RTO) was a guest speaker at a NY Division ERSA meeting.You were at that meeting? I was there too. Mr Cusick answered many questions and provided a great deal of good information. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 12 08:04:19 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 11 13:10:00 2013. But not Rikers Island...That one would stand out. No confusion there!:)Riker's Island was also interesting because of the ferry service which ran there as well as the nearby North Brother's Island. North Brother's Island was the location of Riverside Hospital and the retirement home of "Typhoid" Mary Mallon. It was also where the burning "General Slocum" ran finally ran aground. In Jamaica Bay we have Broad Channel Island as well as the two man-made island built by the TA for rapid transit service to the Rockaways. They were the "Embankment" and Sand Island. Notice the sneaky way that I kept this on topic. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by NorthShore on Tue Mar 12 10:34:36 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 12 08:04:19 2013. When the Long Island Rail Road operated the Rockaway Branch, there were 5 island station in Jamaica Bay: Howard (not the Howard Beach Station),Goose Creek, The Raunt, Broad Channel, and Beach Channel. These were mostly for sports fishing and resort hotels st the time. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Mar 14 21:55:39 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 12 03:58:03 2013. All paperback for $18.95 from Amazon and all used. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 13:20:47 2014, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 10 22:45:55 2013. They could solve that problem with a second operator. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Sep 16 15:00:34 2014, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 10 22:09:43 2013. I think they could try what they did at 148 on the 3, building a new station at the far end of the yard. Is it near enough to population centers that would use it, though?Along these lines, they could also do this at the yard at the end of the New Lots line, and in fact extend the line beyond that yard to Gateway Center and Starrett City. It's really not far. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 16 15:10:48 2014, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by chud1 on Sun Mar 10 06:57:05 2013. Chud, if you don't have it already, try finding "Subway to the World's Fair" by Fred Kramer. It has this and other photos: construction of the right of way, crossover and tower looking south from the station etc. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 16 15:19:59 2014, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 16 15:10:48 2014. I have that book. Its great. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 16 15:43:08 2014, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 12 02:45:07 2013. I have often wondered that myself. Could it have been cannibalized for other model boards, or in the grand bureaucratic tradition of this, and all subsequent managing agnencies just plain thrown out?If it were in storage somewhere or in private hands I'm sure someone in the RF community would know about it. Also, the porcelaine enamal directional signs that hung from the ceiling, inside the turnstiles in the Mezzanine / fare control area, photo in Kramer's book (my copy is packed away) said something like maybe Eighth Ave. Subway to... or Worlds Fiar railroad to... with the simple pre-war destinations originally mounted on the early IND entrances (like the GG sign on this years subway calendar). I'd bet that they were trashed immediately after the 1940 season as well (sigh!) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 16 15:49:16 2014, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 10 14:24:54 2013. Thanks for posting these! They can also be found on the World's Fair Railroad page at www.nycsubway.orgI took the color one, copied & pasted it into a WORD doc (landscape), pulled / extended it to the edge of the page with the mouse, so the size was now almost a full 8" x 10.5" in size. Printed it out in color - looks great on my wall. Did this at the public library, all for 25 cents. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 16 15:55:29 2014, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. IIRC, in Joe Raskin's routes not built book, he states that there was community interest in keeping this route open after the Fair, and extending it north for some distance, possiblly up to Whitestone.However, he cited public meetings/hearings with John J. Delany, (IND CEO and mover behind building the IND's first phase), who adamantly stated that there would not be the level of passenger use to justify keepin the line permanently, and that he/BOT was not interested in retaining it. Boy, was he wrong! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 16 16:08:37 2014, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. I was told in the early 90s, that an elderly railfan, Everett White had movies of this line.He has probably passed on. Could he have been an old time ERA member? I've posted this before on WF RR threads, but figured I'd mention it again, in case someone else out there has heard of him, and knows or can find out/ research who got his collection. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 16 16:25:56 2014, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 14:58:49 2013. You're showing your age again! |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 16 16:35:31 2014, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by chud1 on Tue Mar 12 04:27:51 2013. Too much drool. ;) |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Sep 16 17:03:28 2014, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 16 16:35:31 2014. yup to much drool. i drink a lot of water to maintain my drool.chud1. :).... |
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