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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013 Found this posted on Facebook:
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Mar 9 20:49:28 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. it ran between the `39 worlds fair and 76st. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 9 20:52:42 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. Wow, nice find!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Mar 9 22:17:32 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. thats a test train,just before the fair opened. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 10 05:12:53 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Mar 9 20:49:28 2013. Couldn't have. 76 St wasn't built yet. |
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Posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 05:54:24 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Mar 9 20:49:28 2013. The line ran from the 71st.Continental Ave.,Forest Hills Station through the Jamaica Yards, along the right-of-way of the current Van Wyck Expressway extension (built for the '64 World's Fair) to the World's Fair Station (near the current L.I. Expressway). |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun Mar 10 06:57:05 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. A+ on this picture. i remember these cars which i rode on as a kid.it is to foam. chud1 |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 10 07:22:23 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 10 05:12:53 2013. Emphasis on the "yet". |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 10 08:03:25 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Mar 9 22:17:32 2013. I guess that's why there's no chain on the storm door!! |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 10 09:12:05 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 05:54:24 2013. During the time that the World's Fair was open service was provided by "GG" trains 24/7. On Saturday and/or Sunday nights this service was supplemented by E express trains running to and from Hudson Terminal between 8PM and Midnight.(+/-). These E trains carried "S" Special signage to differentiate them from the regular E trains.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Mar 10 09:35:17 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Mar 10 08:03:25 2013. There's a chain on the storm door.. |
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Posted by Karl B on Sun Mar 10 10:19:52 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Mar 10 09:35:17 2013. It's just not hooked across the door in normal operating mode! |
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Posted by Karl B on Sun Mar 10 10:20:04 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Mar 10 09:35:17 2013. It's just not hooked across the door in normal operating mode! |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 10 10:22:08 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Karl B on Sun Mar 10 10:20:04 2013. OK. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 10 10:22:41 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 10 10:22:08 2013. ok. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 10 10:24:15 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Karl B on Sun Mar 10 10:20:04 2013. it was posed along the line for photo ops.I,ve got the book. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 10 14:24:54 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. This was one of a bunch I found and posted under "In The Beginning"Maybe this will refresh some memories.  Or this, better parking if you arrived by Dad's Buick! 
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Posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 14:30:52 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 10 14:24:54 2013. This can't be the '39 World's Fair in Flushing Meadow. This is Coney Island because the Parachute Jump is in the background. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 10 14:50:56 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 14:30:52 2013. LOL, nice. I'll wait until someone "corrects" you. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 10 14:55:44 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 14:30:52 2013. Believe it or not, its from the 1939 Worlds Fair. Those tracks have been replaced with the extention of the Van Wyck expressway which morphs into the Whitestone expressway just north of where Citi field is today.BTW, I've seen those pictures before. I believe they were lifted out of Brian J Chdahy's book "Under the sidewalks on New York"...I Think |
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Posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 14:58:49 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 10 14:55:44 2013. Many people do not realize that the Parachute Jump in Coney Island was the Life Saver candy pavilion at the '39-'40 NY World's Fair. It was purchased by Steeplechase , dismantled and shipped to Coney Island where it was reincarnated. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 10 14:59:51 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 10 14:55:44 2013. they were in the book "the worlds fair RR" |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 10 15:09:12 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. What's interesting is that the track bed for what became a temporary station was concrete. The platform itself appears rather durable as well. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Mar 10 15:33:13 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 10 14:59:51 2013. Subway to the World's Fair - Fredrick KramerWhere he posts a picture of an R-12 unit on the Flushing and labels it as an IRT World's Fair car. the color one is VERY rare - possibly the only color shot of the WFRR... One of the odd things about that spur, was because was financed separately, it was technically a separate division of the IND - which is possibly why it HAD to be torn up after the Fair was done. And quite frankly, even IF the city had found a way to save the ROW, Moses would have grabbed it anyways. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Mar 10 15:39:25 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 10 15:09:12 2013. Well I am sure when the fair was going on, it got heavy use.Kramer says that most used the Flushing to GO to the Fair, worked their way through the grounds, and ended up at the Amusement section by day's end - where the IND was. That explains how the IND got away with using the GG for most of the day, but had to supplement with the special E's by 8 pm. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 10 15:57:46 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 14:30:52 2013. The original home of the jump was the World's Fair. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 10 16:05:05 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. Any traces of the spur anywhere? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 10 16:07:55 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. That's a famous picture. I have it in a book called "SUBWAY TO THE WORLD'S FAIR", which is about the various rapid transit lines that were built to accomodate the '39 Fair. The picture shows the World's Fair IND station that was built at the end of the extension from the IND Jamaica yard lead north of 71st-Continental Ave station in Forest Hills. The line used the right of way that later became part of the Van Wyck Expressway. Robert Moses turned down the idea of rebuilding the extension for the 1964 Fair, also held in Flushing Meadows. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 10 16:10:01 2013, in response to 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 9 20:20:46 2013. I should also mention that the Willets Point Boulevard station on the Flushing elevated was upgraded to accomodate the visitors to the '39 Fair. Before the Fair, it was a standard two side-platform local station that was built as part of the extension of the line to Main Street in 1928. After the renovation, it appeared in the same form it does today, with the name "Willets Point-Mets". |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 10 16:49:42 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 10 14:50:56 2013. of course its been done..anything you'd like to add? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 10 17:56:49 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 10 07:22:23 2013. Based on certain documentation, I don't believe any of the IND was built or started S/O Rockaway Av or at least ENY till 1940 or 41. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 10 18:08:03 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Mar 10 15:33:13 2013. Around the time of the 1964 World's Fair, Leo Cusick, then the dept head of RTTD (today's RTO) was a guest speaker at a NY Division ERSA meeting. According to him, the TA, received funds for transit improvements for the fair. The choice was either rebuilding the WF IND branch which was considered to be temporary only for the duration of the fair or purchasing a fleet of cars for IRT service to the fair.It was a no brainer since it was definitely a wiser decision to purchase a fleet of cars that would last for many years to come (which they did) than to build a temporary ROW. Of course some of us would have probably new cars not be purchased since that would have meant that the Lo-Vs would have remained around a bit longer. Also considering the development in Queens, a line along the Worlds Fair ROW would have served the residents in the area and possible with the addition of an intermediate station or two spurred additional real estate development in the area. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Mar 10 18:25:38 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 10 18:08:03 2013. Also considering the development in Queens, a line along the Worlds Fair ROW would have served the residents in the area and possible with the addition of an intermediate station or two spurred additional real estate development in the area.In theory, it sounds like a good idea, but in practice, it ends up being a long diversionary route that it may end up being faster for most of those residents to take the bus directly to 71st Street on the Queens Railway or the Q88 to Woodhaven Blvd than to ride on a line that would take them back down to Union Turnpike and then return north. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 10 18:50:42 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Mar 10 18:25:38 2013. What do you mean by going the U/Tpke and returning north? The World's Fair line if rebuilt and retained would have actually been more convenient than a bus connection since trains from that area would give the passengers a one seat ride directly to Manhattan. The WF LIne didn't even stop at U/Tpke. Its first stop on QB was Ctl. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 10 19:10:19 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 10 18:50:42 2013. you could have connected it to laguardia airport& the astoria bmt. |
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Posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 19:59:02 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 10 19:10:19 2013. It could have been extended to Main St., Flushing only a stone throw away. |
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Posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 20:14:13 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Mar 10 15:39:25 2013. The IRT and BMT charged a normal 5 cents fare, but the IND was 10 cents so it attracted fewer riders. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 10 20:47:33 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Mar 10 16:10:01 2013. I should also mention that the Willets Point Boulevard station on the Flushing elevated was upgraded to accomodate the visitors to the '39 Fair. Before the Fair, it was a standard two side-platform local station that was built as part of the extension of the line to Main Street in 1928. After the renovation, it appeared in the same form it does today, with the name "Willets Point-Mets".I was out there a few months back and some of the signage on the Manhattan - bound local platform still reads "Willets Point Boulevard / Shea Stadium." The rebuilding for the 1939 World's Fair was extensive. The station was converted from a three track local with two side platforms to a three track express station with two side platforms and a center express platform located between the center track and the Queens - bound local track. The station was effectively moved westward by closing the original mezzanine at Willets Point Boulevard and building a new one at the current location. The original mezzanine is still there and can be seen from the street. The stairways to it from the street have been removed. A portion of the original Manhattan - bound local platform was closed off but retained for service purposes. It can still be seen at the north end end of the Manhattan - bound platform. Larry, RedbirdR33 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by michael549 on Sun Mar 10 21:06:35 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 10 18:08:03 2013. Suppose that the World's Fair branch was retained and made a permament part of the IND subway, used by whatever local train lines that serve Queens Blvd.It is often times said that there are conga lines of trains waiting to terminate at 71st Avenue-Forest Hills, and that the fumigation process slows up the whole line. Or that the process of terminating and relaying trains there can be fouled up. With that in mind, do you think that if the World's Fair terminal still existed, and was in operation, that the Queens Blvd local train service operation would be -over the years - a much smoother operation? Mike |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 10 21:29:01 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 19:59:02 2013. IND cars on the IRT wouldn't work! |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Mar 10 21:29:52 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by NorthShore on Sun Mar 10 20:14:13 2013. But people paid that extra nickel in the evening, instead of having to trudge back to Willets Point all at once. By then they all had been walking around the grounds all day,doing stuff. And admittedly, the IND was still only the 8th Ave line for much of the fair.Actually, the LIRR had both subway lines beat - non stop from Penn Station for 20 cents. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 10 21:30:45 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by michael549 on Sun Mar 10 21:06:35 2013. Interference with trains going to JYD, along with yard moves, and the trains going north to the fair grounds I would see a problem with interference. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Mar 10 21:37:35 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 10 21:29:01 2013. IND cars on the IRT [Main St] wouldn't work!Main St, like most Dual Contract stations, was built to Div. B. standards. The extra wide gap plates were removed during the various station renovations of the last 20 years. You can still see the extra wide plate at 111th St. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 10 22:09:43 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by michael549 on Sun Mar 10 21:06:35 2013. Its still a good idea even today...another terminal to eliminate the bottlenecks at Forest Hills,positioned next to Jamaica Yard...The G and R could use the new terminal..while the newly extended M can continue on to 179th st along with the F,returning express service as far as Parsons Blvd[169Th st would be an ALL STOP station]. Such a terminal shouldn't cost more than 400 million tops..since the row is already in place along D5/6 TRACK... The Queens IND needs more capacity..especially along its inner portion. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 10 22:11:53 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 10 22:09:43 2013. Tear down the Van Wyck! :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 10 22:19:59 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Mar 10 21:37:35 2013. the entire Flushing line could be moved to the B Division from Vernon Blvd to Main st..5th avenue to the new terminal st 34th st. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 10 22:21:39 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 10 22:19:59 2013. What about the Steinway tube? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 10 22:23:18 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 10 22:21:39 2013. you know there is no way a b division train will fit... |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Mar 10 22:39:14 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 10 22:09:43 2013. to eliminate the bottlenecks at Forest Hills,This is strictly a management problem. The existing terminal at Continental has 4 relay tracks. Two at 75th and two leading to the yard. That's more than enough to turn 30tph, even with taking 1 minute to charge up the brakes to change direction. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 10 22:45:55 2013, in response to Re: 1939 IND World's Fair Station, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Mar 10 22:39:14 2013. The fumigation walk and delays (which wasn't a problem years ago) in doing so is probably the biggest bottleneck, and that happens on the platform before departing into the relay. |
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